hthejambo Posted October 13, 2018 Anyone able to provide an update on his fitness really looking forward to seeing him in the famous maroon and white Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianJamTart Posted October 13, 2018 This is the last I've heard https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-provides-sean-clare-13394307 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inch Hearts Posted October 13, 2018 I don’t think we will see him anywhere near his best until after the winter break. I’m really excited to see him play though. Some coup from what I’ve heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Elwood P Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said: I don’t think we will see him anywhere near his best until after the winter break. I’m really excited to see him play though. Some coup from what I’ve heard. Why would it take him until nearly February to be up to speed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamdub Posted October 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Why would it take him until nearly February to be up to speed? Because of a major op in March, hope this helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauld Posted October 13, 2018 Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EastSideJambo Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. Close the thread on that basis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Elwood P Posted October 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jamdub said: Because of a major op in March, hope this helps. No it doesn’t. He said himself that he is almost ready so another 3 and a half months is an extremely negative assessment. I would expect him to make a serious impact before December. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Elwood P Posted October 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. You simply cannot compare a 22 year old and a 32 year year old for recovery time or lack a pre season. Clare also looks a more naturally athletic person than Naismith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick witter Posted October 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. Better just not playing him until next season then when he will definitely be 100% as you seem to think there is no chance he can achieve that this season. I would say every player is different and Sean may well recover quicker and get up to speed quicker than Naismith did. Looking forward to seeing him in action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamdub Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: No it doesn’t. He said himself that he is almost ready so another 3 and a half months is an extremely negative assessment. I would expect him to make a serious impact before December. Well lets hope so, in Levein I trust..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauld Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: You simply cannot compare a 22 year old and a 32 year year old for recovery time or lack a pre season. Clare also looks a more naturally athletic person than Naismith. I'm not comparing. It's just how it is. I'm not saying he won't play or won't make an impact once he does finally get on the pitch. But what I am saying is we won't see his absolute best until next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Future's Maroon Posted October 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. Kaboom, discussion over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olly Lee's left boot Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. Probably right, he won't be at his "best" until next season, but hopefully he can still add something to the squad sooner rather than later and I think he will. You just said that on an other reply. Edited October 13, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgieshed Posted October 13, 2018 I love all the assumptions here. No one knows if he is fit, any good or ready to play. Luckily with have a good management team who know better than us. We have apparently bent over backwards to get him here so that builds expectations. Like any of our signings this year no one really knows how it will work. Let's just get right behind him regardless if sets the heather on fire straight away or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dave Posted October 13, 2018 There’s no reason why the fitness coaches wont be putting him through a “pre-season” programme if he needs one. You dont have to wait until June to get a player fit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Elwood P Posted October 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bauld said: I'm not comparing. It's just how it is. I'm not saying he won't play or won't make an impact once he does finally get on the pitch. But what I am saying is we won't see his absolute best until next season. A 22 year old can go through major surgery and be fully fit a lot quicker than an older player. I think he will make a big impact. My opinion only of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted October 13, 2018 I suppose one way of looking at it is we will be getting an injection of "new blood" after the break when injuries and suspensions are starting to kick in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey1874 Posted October 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. That will be why he's on a pre-season training schedule just now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, Disco Dave said: There’s no reason why the fitness coaches wont be putting him through a “pre-season” programme if he needs one. You dont have to wait until June to get a player fit! no mate pre-season is a mystical period in the calendar year where only certain things can happen it's just how it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, Bauld said: Won't be at his best until next season. And anyone who wants to argue with me on this need only look at the difference in Naismith from last season between January and seasons end and how he is now. No player gets to 100% in a season if they miss pre season as well as a few months at the start. They will be playing catch up until the summer. naismiths performances at the end of last season were every bit as good including running the derby able assisted by young harry it was almost like his fitness greatly improved between the months of January and May Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jammy T Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Where is this myth of Naismith being shite last season coming from? He’s better this season but he wasn’t shite last season. Edited October 13, 2018 by Jammy T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauld Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jammy T said: Where is this myth of Naismith being shite last season coming from? He’s better this season but he wasn’t shite last season. Never said he was. It is about gradual improvement followed by the massive improvement after the summer. During a season your fitness training is always interrupted by tactical training and preparation for the next game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Top Corner Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) This thread says it all for me. We need a right good boost to keep us challenging and Clare is all we have at the minute. The Rangers game was a big wakeup call. Bring on the January Window Edited October 13, 2018 by Top Corner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac Posted October 13, 2018 Needs to have B52s Plant Claire ready 😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauld Posted October 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, Top Corner said: This thread says it all for me. We need a right good boost to keep us challenging and Clare is all we have at the minute. The Rangers game was a big wakeup call. Bring on the January Window The rangers game was an example of a bad day at the office. If we go on to lose the next 2 then we can start worrying but at the moment we have had a bad day and we just have to raise our standards again and try get ourselves back on track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_razors_edge Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Bauld said: The rangers game was an example of a bad day at the office. If we go on to lose the next 2 then we can start worrying but at the moment we have had a bad day and we just have to raise our standards again and try get ourselves back on track. Indeed. Losing is one thing. How you react to that defeat is something different entirely. I fully expect Aberdeen to be on the end of a positive reaction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jammy T Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Top Corner said: This thread says it all for me. We need a right good boost to keep us challenging and Clare is all we have at the minute. The Rangers game was a big wakeup call. Bring on the January Window That’s bullshit thought isn’t it: 1. Clare 2. Cochrane getting fully fit 3. Vanacek in Jan 4. Berra returning Four players to come in in or before January that will increase the quality of our team let alone squad. Edited October 13, 2018 by Jammy T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted October 13, 2018 Those 4 potential first 11 picks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bongo 1874 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Those 4 potential first 11 picks 1 hour ago, Jammy T said: That’s bullshit thought isn’t it: 1. Clare 2. Cochrane getting fully fit 3. Vanacek in Jan 4. Berra returning Four players to come in in or before January that will increase the quality of our team let alone squad. Agree get one more winger in on loan David 😉 maybe and a left back to challenge garrucio and we are sorted. Edited October 13, 2018 by Bongo 1874 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Elwood P Posted October 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Agree get one more winger in on loan David 😉 maybe and a left back to challenge garrucio and we are sorted. Garuccio would have to be in the starting line up to be challenged for his place. Think him and Mitchell is enough for LB especially considering we have Brandon who can cover there and the players now to play a back three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamboinglasgow Posted October 14, 2018 People need to realise that pre-season is not just about being fit enough to play 90 minutes, there is match fitness where they are up to speed mentally, reacting to quick enough etc. In pre-season you play quite a few matches to get that part up sorted. We dont have that number of reserve games at the moment. Hence why it may take longer, and with Levein only wanting to play him when ready it the prediction of January until we see him fully ready is not as crazy as it sounds. I think we will see him play reserve games by the end of the month, probably first team debut in November. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bongo 1874 Posted October 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Garuccio would have to be in the starting line up to be challenged for his place. Think him and Mitchell is enough for LB especially considering we have Brandon who can cover there and the players now to play a back three. Mitchell should be moved to left midfield were he plays best garuccio back at left back is my thinking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenNaismith Posted October 14, 2018 I’m led to believe he’s been doing a mini pre season fitness programme over the last couple of weeks to get him up to speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwidoug Posted October 14, 2018 Clare, Cochrane, Vanacek, Berra. Can''t wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davie1980 Posted October 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said: Agree get one more winger in on loan David 😉 maybe and a left back to challenge garrucio and we are sorted. Only played 2 league games for Hull, you never know.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skacelsid Posted October 14, 2018 Confidence is a big factor in a player returning from long term injury. Being able to trust that running full out or going hard into challenges will not set you back again. No doubt his physical fitness will be getting there but match fitness is harder to assess. But he is a talent and even at a bit less than 100% he may still be used from the bench and influence games, until it is clear he is ready physically and mentally to start, it will be managed and monitored with a few reserve outings first. We are all excited and impatient but he will be eased in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted October 14, 2018 Beginning to fear this lad has been ridiculously overhyped. Hope the Tynecastle crowd go easy on him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
By the light Posted October 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Beginning to fear this lad has been ridiculously overhyped. Hope the Tynecastle crowd go easy on him... I’m thinking the same with Vanacek too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pingu Posted October 14, 2018 15 hours ago, Jammy T said: That’s bullshit thought isn’t it: 1. Clare 2. Cochrane getting fully fit 3. Vanacek in Jan 4. Berra returning Four players to come in in or before January that will increase the quality of our team let alone squad. Either Godinho or Brandon to potentially come in as well. Arguably both better options than Michael Smith if they hit top form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Gio Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Spellczech said: Beginning to fear this lad has been ridiculously overhyped. Hope the Tynecastle crowd go easy on him... Why do you think that? He has had no pre season, the team had been playing well, no need to rush him in at all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Diez Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spellczech said: Beginning to fear this lad has been ridiculously overhyped. Hope the Tynecastle crowd go easy on him... One player who shall remain nameless told my mate this week that ‘Sean Clare is ****in dynamite’. So any hype isn’t being exclusively served by the fans. Edited October 14, 2018 by El Diez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Diez Posted October 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, By the light said: I’m thinking the same with Vanacek too I don’t think Vanacek has been overhyped? I have read people stating they’re excited to have what seems to be a natural striker added to the squad, and should Uche be injured again we’ll be in a better position to cope. *Maclean and Naismith done perfectly well in Uches absence but we do need another option up front imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Future's Maroon Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, El Diez said: One player who shall remain nameless told my mate this week that ‘Sean Clare is ****in dynamite’. So any hype isn’t exclusively served by the fans. Excellent. Fans may have to show a little patience due to his lengthy lay off. Although going by how excited CL is about him and this little titbit from a fellow teammate I don’t have any fears, in fact I’m more and more excited to see him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inch Hearts Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Spellczech said: Beginning to fear this lad has been ridiculously overhyped. Hope the Tynecastle crowd go easy on him... Im not sure how, he was very highly rated at Sheff Weds, linked to big Premiership teams, Craig’s history this summer in the transfer market has been tremendous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inch Hearts Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Sir Gio said: Why do you think that? He has had no pre season, the team had been playing well, no need to rush him in at all This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jr ewing Posted October 14, 2018 Coming in to a winning side will help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamboinglasgow Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, El Diez said: One player who shall remain nameless told my mate this week that ‘Sean Clare is ****in dynamite’. So any hype isn’t being exclusively served by the fans. Hope so, positive if his teammates are already impressed. I would say that from Levein, he has sound delighted to sign him and rate him, but has been measured that only occasionally mention him at the moment until he is ready. I would also say I think the response from people on here is positive and optimistic, it is also not really hyping him up as much as he could have been which is good. I think the thing I get here is people are intrigued to see what kind of player we have and what he can do (I am the same.) As you say, we are benefiting from having a great run of wins that have shown the quality of players already playing and means we are not clutching to the hope that Vanecek and Clare are going to save the season like last season would have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Sir Gio said: Why do you think that? He has had no pre season, the team had been playing well, no need to rush him in at all Merely on the basis that people are putting him in "their" team without ever seeing him play. You know what the Tynecastle crowd is like for young players - unforgiving. Seems like he's going to have to score a hattrick and get 2 assists on his debut or some people will be disappointed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OTT Posted October 14, 2018 Coming into a winning side will obviously help but would be tempted to make his first few appearances away games to let him built confidence and sharpness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites