Footballfirst Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, gnasher75 said: It seemed pretty clear to me! This new system is going to see the VAR official getting the blame for all the dodgy decisions instead of the ref. There was clearly contact, but who initiated the contact? Yes there was a leg outstretched, but did Willian make sure that he tripped over the defender, or did the defender trip him? That's where I think there is a lot of dishonesty in the game. It's a contact sport but once players are in the box there is little attempt to avoid contact. Indeed forwards always seem to look for the opportunity to make contact and go down, even to the extent of missing out on a shooting chance had they stayed on their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 No. He gave free kick to Norwich and booked Willian for diving. Seemed like in the time that took he was listening out for confirmation from the VAR guy. According to Lineker et al there was definitely a decision made that he hadn't made a clear mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Now Pedro sent off with a second yellow, the first from the 'dive' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, kila said: Now Pedro sent off with a second yellow, the first from the 'dive' Another dive that was defo a dive Not the VAR incident which was Wiliam who was also booked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, kila said: Now Pedro sent off with a second yellow, the first from the 'dive' Wasn't that dive a different Incident? Could have influenced ref for the Willian one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Hungry hippo said: No. The VAR ref reviewed it away from the ground only. Just now, kila said: No Thanks. I think that's a failing. Perhaps he was concerned that he would be taking up too much time with the decision, but if the VAR wasn't certain either way (that it was clearly a penalty or clearly not a penalty) then the referee should have reviewed it track-side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Another dive that was defo a dive Not the VAR incident which was Wiliam who was also booked Ahh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 morata now booked for diving, actually has he seen red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Another booking and dive! Now a red card? VAR needed to sort this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 Chelsea players booked for diving and Morata sent off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Morata off! Ref sending off all Chelsea's penalty takers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Blatant dive, throws himself to the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 That one could easily have been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Penalty shoot out needs some managing A bit controversial again Grabbing players now allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, kila said: Blatant dive, throws himself to the ground thats my view, he feels the hand then chucks himself to the deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Should there be greater penalties (longer suspensions) for clear TV-verifiable cases of diving or faking injury? It might be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Mr Spock would have been proud of the Vulcan nerve pinch that sent Morata to the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Gunn the favourite for shoot out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Morata dived there, the contact was surely not enough to take down a fully grown man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The ref is gagging for Norwich to win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 bookings for dives might be a record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Wish he'd send Conte off just for being at the side of the pitch for 90 minutes. Really, does a manager need to shout and bawl at his team for the whole game? His players must be sick of him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Chelsea can feel a bit hard done by tonight. They might still win the pens though, in fact they probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Jermaine Jenas' comment on the Beeb: Quote It's a tough one though, because there is contact, so he's within his rights to go down. We have to get away from this mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, redjambo said: Should there be greater penalties (longer suspensions) for clear TV-verifiable cases of diving or faking injury? It might be a good idea. Of course there should, players shouldn't go down thinking "Yas, got away with that one.", they should carry on the game thinking "**** what's going to happen to me now?" Extensive ban, a portion of their wages suspended, and a marked book for any future offences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: The ref is gagging for Norwich to win! Quite right. Look after the feeder club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, redjambo said: Jermaine Jenas' comment on the Beeb: We have to get away from this mentality. Clarity needed on holding, grabbing players Seems accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, redjambo said: Jermaine Jenas' comment on the Beeb: We have to get away from this mentality. If he has a choice of whether or not he should go down, he clearly doesn't have to go down, so therefore it is a dive. The first dive was an absolute shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Jermaine Jenas' comment on the Beeb: We have to get away from this mentality. Was wondering who it was. Making a fool of himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Accept the decision is best advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: Quite right. Look after the feeder club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Any dive in the box should be a red card. (using the reverse of denying a goal scoring opportunity, i.e. diving in order to seek a goal scoring opportunity) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, redjambo said: Jermaine Jenas' comment on the Beeb: We have to get away from this mentality. Indeed. Having this video ref shit might highlight how difficult players make it for referees in general with going down at the slightest contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: Any dive in the box should be a red card. (using the reverse of denying a goal scoring opportunity, i.e. diving in order to seek a goal scoring opportunity) Valid point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Penalties randomly gone back to the old way instead of the new ABBA system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Stop start penalty kick taking. Thought it wasnt allowed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Any dive in the box should be a red card. (using the reverse of denying a goal scoring opportunity, i.e. diving in order to seek a goal scoring opportunity) Its not an automatic red for denying a goal scoring opportunity when foul in box. Only red if it’s wreckless, no attempt to play ball / holding or handball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Chelsea players keep their cool Very professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Going against the grain but I reckon both Willian and Morata were unlucky not to get penalties and imo neither dived so shouldn't have been booked. One defender dived in. The other had his arms round Morata. Pedro did dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said: Stop start penalty kick taking. Thought it wasnt allowed?? I think you're allowed to stutter at the start of the run-up, but not in the middle or the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Any dive in the box should be a red card. (using the reverse of denying a goal scoring opportunity, i.e. diving in order to seek a goal scoring opportunity) But for me 2 of these were clear penalties Given if I was refereeing this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, gnasher75 said: Going against the grain but I reckon both Willian and Morata were unlucky not to get penalties and imo neither dived so shouldn't have been booked. One defender dived in. The other had his arms round Morata. Pedro did dive. If Morata hadn't thrown himself to the ground, would you still be saying it is a penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Chelsea better without Morata anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, jamie1874 said: Its not an automatic red for denying a goal scoring opportunity when foul in box. Only red if it’s wreckless, no attempt to play ball / holding or handball I'm aware of that distinction, but a clear dive like Pedro's is cheating and every bit as wrong as a defenders handball on the line. I'd also punish a deliberate handball to "score" a goal by a red card as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: I think you're allowed to stutter at the start of the run-up, but not in the middle or the end? Just never seem to get players pulled up for it at all. Be as well removing the rule lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Just never seem to get players pulled up for it at all. Be as well removing the rule lol. its very similar to keepers coming off their line before the ball has been kicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The problems now are players have went down to easily. Lots of pundits say if you feel a touch go down despite the fact that the touch is nowhere near hard enough to make you go down. It’s been blatant cheating for years by one and all. Now the penalty claim can be judged more fairly. All imo of course ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Just never seem to get players pulled up for it at all. Be as well removing the rule lol. Yup. It's hardly ever enforced (except of course retrospectively in the infamous Chilean match - http://www.the42.ie/chilean-league-penalty-shootout-3771558-Dec2017/ ). I would change the rule to say that the entire run-up must be in one flowing movement - if there is any stutter in the run then the penalty is voided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think no penalty each time. Always looking to go down. Referee was very strong in the face of desperation from Chelsea players. Can see why they dive though. Pens are flawless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny1874 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, redjambo said: Should there be greater penalties (longer suspensions) for clear TV-verifiable cases of diving or faking injury? It might be a good idea. Remember last season Jamie Walker was given a two match ban for a dive against Celtic. The power is obviously there but only used in certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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