Too many coaches

[All Out Attack]

Leaving aside the disappointing performance today, I 

thought there was a rediculous moment in the 2nd half,  when our manager and 3 coaches were pretty much in a huddle at the side of the pitch trying to decide what to do next. 

 

Can't help but think that four of them are simply not required. Perhaps one of the reasons for our utter lack of form just now, is because our manager still takes a back seat for most of the week and leaves it to his coaching staff. 

 

Do we really need all these coaches? How much must it be costing? 

 

[Meadows]

We’ve got more coaches than Parks of Hamilton , none of which are capable of taking us where we want to go ? 

[BobbyJenkins]

Too many people talking shite on here. I doubt the number of coaches we have is the issue ffs.

[rick witter]

Levein and his jobs for the boys!!

Get shot of 3 of the coaches and get a decent midfield player or a Left Back with the wages you will save. 

[ramrod]

True and everyone of them  is worse than the rest . 

We were playing our best football of the game and just back in it when our head coach makes two horrendous changes that cost  us the game , shambles , can only imagine what it's like during the week on the training ground , jokers to a man off the park aswell as on it seems . 

[the_jailer]

4 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said:

Too many people talking shite on here. I doubt the number of coaches we have is the issue ffs.

Liam Fox gets Cowdenbeath relegated but then gets a job coaching our 1st team.

[Paolo]

You raise a good point.   We have coaches, coaches of coaches, and coaches of coaches of coaches, but the actual team is going backwards. 

[DG_HMFC]

I'm beginning to wonder if Levein is actually the manager.

 

I'm positive that he is asking the other coaches (mainly MacPhee) what they would do in the situation we found ourselves in within the game. 

 

The long chats and the lack of changes was frightening today, and either Levein has lost the plot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing anymore, or he's still letting the coaches make decisions.

[tian447]

Levein stood applauding most of the complete shite that was going on today, including one incident where Randall, under no pressure whatsoever, punted the ball into touch. 

 

I don't think the number of coaches is the problem, it's the man at the top.

[So Make Some Noise..]

Sure I seen an interview with CL where he said Mon - Wed he leaves the coaches to it and then he really takes charge in the build up to a game. 

 

I'm really uncomfortable with this if true, Austin doesn't have his pro licence and Fox and Daly are far too inexperienced to be in charge of training sessions. Appreciate the sports scientists / fitness guys will dictate a lot of the 'recovery' work but still.. 

[merrymac]

1 hour ago, DG_HMFC said:

I'm beginning to wonder if Levein is actually the manager.

 

I'm positive that he is asking the other coaches (mainly MacPhee) what they would do in the situation we found ourselves in within the game. 

 

The long chats and the lack of changes was frightening today, and either Levein has lost the plot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing anymore, or he's still letting the coaches make decisions.

The fact that he hardly attends training probably means he needs to seek other opinions before making changes.

 

Management by committee - that will work????????????

[Debut 4]

If it was advice CL was asking for then I'd be worried.

 

But is this part of the coaches learning? Are we using important matches to let them decide instead of the gaffer?

 

In the past a manager would bounce off his assistant and vice versa. 

 

Seems there's too many cooks etc...

[feedthefox]

Austin McPhee is in danger of looking like Leveins jam boy. 

[Pistol1874]

I’d love to know what they work on. Half of them don’t look fit enough, technique is at best questionable, every time someone gets the ball it looks like a surprise and only then do they start to think about what to do with it (pass it backwards normally), we don’t press as a team, we lost every second ball for well over an hour and the different expressions of exasperation from your fellow fans is more entertaining and creative than the football.

Utter shite today, that first half was an out and out disgrace.

[maroonlegions]

Long hair and the  bearded  one can feck off and take their utter shite signings, game tactics,(LOL), and coaching,(LOL), with them, utter fecking imposters and jokers ,when do the FOH take over.. FTH.

[maroonlegions]

5 minutes ago, Pistol1874 said:

I’d love to know what they work on. Half of them don’t look fit enough, technique is at best questionable, every time someone gets the ball it looks like a surprise and only then do they start to think about what to do with it (pass it backwards normally), we don’t press as a team, we lost every second ball for well over an hour and the different expressions of exasperation from your fellow fans is more entertaining and creative than the football.

Utter shite today, that first half was an out and out disgrace.

 We also can't make three passes together. brutal.

[Paolo]

5 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Long hair and the  bearded  one can feck off and take their utter shite signings, game tactics,(LOL), and coaching,(LOL), with them, utter fecking imposters and jokers ,when do the FOH take over.. FTH.

I don’t get the love for him. 

 

We we were told he was an excellent coach and analyst, great at analysing the opposition, but I have seen zero evidence of this. 

 

I have said this before, but in defence, some said it was Catjrs  fault, as he ignored him, and that we would see his skills better under Levein.  Nothing has changed.  He seems a total waste of space. 

[tokyowalnut]

10 minutes ago, Pistol1874 said:

I’d love to know what they work on. Half of them don’t look fit enough, technique is at best questionable, every time someone gets the ball it looks like a surprise and only then do they start to think about what to do with it (pass it backwards normally), we don’t press as a team, we lost every second ball for well over an hour and the different expressions of exasperation from your fellow fans is more entertaining and creative than the football.

Utter shite today, that first half was an out and out disgrace.

 

Was discussing this today. What do they all bring to the structure? What is McPhee's role? Apparently Daly isn't up to much then that leaves Fox who is also very early into his coaching career. 

 

It's actually just a shambles of a situation. Team changed week in week out, the game plan is to lump it up the park, and our set pieces are as poor as always. 

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

With today's performance we don't have enough, makes you wonder what they're coaching all week 

[maroonlegions]

1 minute ago, Paolo said:

I don’t get the love for him. 

 

We we were told he was an excellent coach and analyst, great at analysing the opposition, but O have seen zero evidence of this. 

 

I have said this before, but I. His defence, some said it was Cathri’s fault, as he ignored him, and that we would see his skills better under Levein.  Nothing has changed.  He seems a total waste of space. 

 We were told al this by who, CL??

He is on one big ego trip, beginning to really not like him. He is not bigger than our club, needs to go, the Cathro experiment should have ended him.

[maroonlegions]

4 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said:

 

Was discussing this today. What do they all bring to the structure? What is McPhee's role? Apparently Daly isn't up to much then that leaves Fox who is also very early into his coaching career. 

 

It's actually just a shambles of a situation. Team changed week in week out, the game plan is to lump it up the park, and our set pieces are as poor as always. 

 

Fox.

 

Whos idea was that... CL by any chance..

[Busby nets the rebound]

A horse designed by committee = a camel... 

 

 

[3fingersreid]

32 minutes ago, Pistol1874 said:

I’d love to know what they work on. Half of them don’t look fit enough, technique is at best questionable, every time someone gets the ball it looks like a surprise and only then do they start to think about what to do with it (pass it backwards normally), we don’t press as a team, we lost every second ball for well over an hour and the different expressions of exasperation from your fellow fans is more entertaining and creative than the football.

Utter shite today, that first half was an out and out disgrace.

I think you have a very valid point regarding fitness 

[Nelly Terraces]

A guy who we rented to Cowdenbeath but got fired is still supposedly good enough for our coaching team. Says it all to me. 

[Bull's-eye]

Was wondering when the "over coached" gibberish would start.

 

Less coaches and more Kebabs required.

 

[Paolo]

3 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said:

Was wondering when the "over coached" gibberish would start.

 

Less coaches and more Kebabs required.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said:

Was wondering when the "over coached" gibberish would start.

 

Less coaches and more Kebabs required.

 

Who said we were over coached?  

 

Over coached and too many coaches is not the same thing. 

[Nelly Terraces]

5 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said:

Was wondering when the "over coached" gibberish would start.

 

Less coaches and more Kebabs required.

 

I wondered when the 1st immature point scoring post over a legitimate point of concern would come along.

 

Congrats. You win the prize. Apt name for a childish attitude as well, so double word score there.

[He Who Cannot Be Named]

If your boss was only at work half the week, would you put in the same effort?

[gnasher75]

Presumably Levein wants to do the job for as short as time as possible before moving back upstairs and appointing Daly as head coach. If so, he is using this season as a transition period where he trains up these three guys and gives them as much responsibility as possible before handing over in the summer.

 

But what we want is a manager who is 100% focused on the job and who the players know is the boss. Like Mcinnes or Lennon or Rodgers or pretty much any other manager. Levein could still do that but it's clear he doesn't want to.

 

IMO Ann Budge should not have allowed him to continue with his coach development programme when he took the job. The model doesn't work and these guys just aren't up to being Hearts manager now or in the future.

[Captain America]

Was the same last week when Walker went off injured, all huddled up taking an eternity to decide what to do.

 

 Our squad is dire but our footballing structure is the big issue.

 

Stopped us from getting a decent manager IMO. 

[KyleLafferty]

Think you find the 3 coaches will be putting training sessions on such as passing, dribbling, shooting, set pieces,

possesion games.

 

Then craig on the Thursday and Friday, will lay out the tactics on how to win the game and work on team shape.

 

Macphee is the set piece guy. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

It’s not the numbers that’s the problem. It’s the fact that talentless people are telling each other how good they all are. It’s a proper little clique.

 

i mean Daly was originally in line for the job FFS! On what ****ing basis?? Quite honestly we could do without all of them

[tokyowalnut]

11 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Think you find the 3 coaches will be putting training sessions on such as passing, dribbling, shooting, set pieces,

possesion games.

 

Then craig on the Thursday and Friday, will lay out the tactics on how to win the game and work on team shape.

 

Macphee is the set piece guy. 

 

It's blatenly not working.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

14 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Think you find the 3 coaches will be putting training sessions on such as passing, dribbling, shooting, set pieces,

possesion games.

 

Then craig on the Thursday and Friday, will lay out the tactics on how to win the game and work on team shape.

 

Macphee is the set piece guy. 

 

Pointlessly complicated. Just a way of Levein and co pretending that they’re at the forefront of coaching when actually they’re hopeless

[Paolo]

16 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

Think you find the 3 coaches will be putting training sessions on such as passing, dribbling, shooting, set pieces,

possesion games.

 

Then craig on the Thursday and Friday, will lay out the tactics on how to win the game and work on team shape.

 

Macphee is the set piece guy. 

If MacPhee is the set piece guy, then that is another reason to get rid of him.   

 

With the exception of Lafferty’s freekick against Rangers, our set pieces are terrible. 

[KyleLafferty]

I’m not saying it’s working, I’m just saying that’s what happens. Something is wrong. Lack of confidence and risk taking is evident. You really just want to see players take a gamble and play a through ball, if it comes off it comes off, but the lack of trying is disappointing. Take a player on, if you get tackled, work you arse off to get back and win it, then go again. 

[Locky]

Number of coaches per se, isn't the problem.

 

The fact that we're playing without any game plan or sense of direction is. If such a large coaching team can't get the players to execute something then that's when it becomes a problem.

[merrymac]

1 hour ago, KyleLafferty said:

Think you find the 3 coaches will be putting training sessions on such as passing, dribbling, shooting, set pieces,

possesion games.

 

Then craig on the Thursday and Friday, will lay out the tactics on how to win the game and work on team shape.

 

Macphee is the set piece guy. 

Possession gameYou forgot the long diagonal punt training - its going well.

[KyleLafferty]

59 minutes ago, merrymac said:

Possession gameYou forgot the long diagonal punt training - its going well.

I’m pretty sure they aren’t going into training and practising that. I honestly think it’s lack of options, the midfield seem unable to recieve the ball off the back four, turn, then drive or make a forward pass. Therefore we have to miss out the midfield and try and win the first and second balls.

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

Players and coaches need games the more the better you learn more from playing games than training all week, you get match fit by playing games, understanding with team mates develop with a settled first 11 

It looks as though half our team have just been introduced to each other on match day 

We should be playing closed door  friendliies during the week rather than the training we have been doing,we would develop quicker

it's just taking us longer giving the squad and our coaches less game time 

 

[fabienleclerq]

Unless anyone knows their roles and day to day jobs it'd be hard to form a opinion. This thread seems like a bit of a random guess as to why we are so shite!

 

For me it's piss poor recruitment.

[Thomaso]

HTF is McCann still here???   He should have been punted with Cathro!

[merrymac]

39 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

I’m pretty sure they aren’t going into training and practising that. I honestly think it’s lack of options, the midfield seem unable to recieve the ball off the back four, turn, then drive or make a forward pass. Therefore we have to miss out the midfield and try and win the first and second balls.

I know - sorry !! was being a bit sarcastic. CL does have a bit of a reputation as a route 1 specialist though !! His football style is not what you would call pleasing on the eye. OK if you are getting results, but when your not........................, think its what we are going through at the moment.

[jambo19]

The number of coaches isn't the problem, in fact our coaching staff numbers compared to a champions league side or English premiership side are quite small.

We have a manager, assistant and 2 first team coaches. Then a fitness and goalie coach.
In 2012 we won the cup with the same, Sergio, Cabral, Cruz and Locke as manager, assistant and first team. More coaches actually helps training as well.

Quite frankly looking at yesterdays game, if Isma scores his 1v1 we win the game 2-1. First half was dire due to players on the park and as the game went on the game management didn't really improve despite us gradually getting into the game.

 

That's down to personnel and management, not the number of coaches we have. Individual errors, an unsettled, unconfident starting 11, poor recruitment and a number of injuries all at the same time.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

The kind of banter Tam McManus trotts out.