jambobas Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season? We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one. Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox? There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation. It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lucille's Thirsty Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season? We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one. Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox? There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation. It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL? It's not that bad at Hearts that we would go about it a hobo way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hibs style thread. If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season? We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one. Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox? There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation. It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL? I smell Hibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hearts should ask about the licence on the quiet without going public. But they may have already done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hibs style thread. If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe. Even if they fail to meet Eufa critoria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 A summer break and rebuild wouldn't go a miss. So no, leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 OP Archery Start archery - must give a chance of an Olympic medal with a bit of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season? We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one. Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox? There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation. It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL? Aye, you do that, drop her an email. It's up to you if you want to let us know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Tin hat time BUT the OP does have a valid point. Immaterial if who finishes fifth, why should rules & regulations be ignored for the good of TRFC ? The SFA / UEFA should be making the decision without any member clubs having to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Make the point and let Partick Thistle take the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The Rangers will get nowhere in europe anyway. Probably scope for some healthy humiliation there. Let it ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season? What is the actual specific rule or requirement for a license that you think they don't meet? Do the rules give the SFA any flexibility to ignore one aspect? Genuinely curious. As to whether Hearts should raise it, I'd say no. The outcome would be that sooner or later a decision would be made to allow Rangers to play. The management at Hearts have plenty to keep them busy this summer with out the distraction of fighting a battle they will inevitably lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I would imagine Rangers tick all the boxes for the licence, even our ruling body are not that inadequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 We don't deserve to be in it for our performances anyway so let's earn the right to play in it on the pitch and not through some ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Reekin of vermin We weren't good enough. Simple as that. Terrible OP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 If we had a credible media, we'd know the answer to the suggestion that Rangers shouldn't have been given a license to play in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Maybe you should start the ball rolling? Send the email and let us know how you get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hibs style thread. If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe. Since they secured promotion the number of imposter type posts have increased. We missed out on Europe by our own mistakes. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 You can be sure if the roles were reversed they would be questioning it backed up by their media friends. Rules are in place for a reason and shouldn't be ignored just because it's Rangers. To question it would make things a bit uncomfortable so I say we should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Even if they fail to meet Eufa critoria? Is that the plural of criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavyGravy Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I stopped reading at the word "Sevco" to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 You have to wonder why FIFA, UEFA and all the individual country FAs and other sporting bodies bother with all these 100s of pages of rules when all that matters is what the head to head on the sporting arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2016/12/01/Franchises/Rangers-UEFA-Request.aspx This might clarify matters for OP, thought the actual rules were a bit cumbersome to link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2016/12/01/Franchises/Rangers-UEFA-Request.aspx This might clarify matters for OP, thought the actual rules were a bit cumbersome to link! http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html Brief guide to UEFA Fair Play Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Tin hat time BUT the OP does have a valid point. Immaterial if who finishes fifth, why should rules & regulations be ignored for the good of TRFC ? The SFA / UEFA should be making the decision without any member clubs having to appeal. Totally agree but tbh if the offered the place to us I'd suggest passing it on to Patrick. We need a full pre-season under our belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I would imagine Rangers tick all the boxes for the licence, even our ruling body are not that inadequate. They didn't tick all the boxes to gain entry into the (then) 3rd Division yet our ruling body allowed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Would be surprised if Rangers qualify for the group stages. More likely an early exit from the qualifiers, and their budget to go tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Not interested. Feel sorry for European clubs when the huns rock up for a jolly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing. Not this summer. We have the bare bones of a first team squad currently and the first qualifying round is likely to be at the end of next month (I believe pre-season starts in 2-3 weeks). As I said previously we need to a. get new players in and b. give them a full pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille's Thirsty Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing. We don't play in Europe though we get knocked out of the qualifying stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 We don't play in Europe though we get knocked out of the qualifying stage. Those qualifiers are still Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille's Thirsty Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Those qualifiers are still Europe. Okaaay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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