Chester™ Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Exactly what we need. I just hope that people have a bit of realism. We're signing a journeyman not MaldiniHe's played for 3 teams. He's not a 'journeyman'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Exactly what we need. I just hope that people have a bit of realism. We're signing a journeyman not Maldini Do we actually have any fans that know anything about football? Berra has player for 3 pro teams in 13 or 14 years of first team action That's about as opposite of a journeyman as you get in football these days. Jesus wept. But thanks for the heads up, he's not Maldini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 He's played for 3 teams. He's not a 'journeyman'. Solid career, actually more apps for both Wolves & Ipswich than Hearts Caps: 34 for Scotland Career: Hearts (146 apps, 5 goals), Wolves (154 apps, 0 goals), Ipswich (186 apps, 14 goals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Whether or not he's a journeyman has nothing to do with how many clubs he's played for. Journeyman a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I hope we aren't putting to much pressure on Berra. Hopefully Cowie burdens some of the responsibility and their experience can drive us forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Henry Furst Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Whether or not he's a journeyman has nothing to do with how many clubs he's played for. Journeyman a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding. In British footballing terms it means something different altogether. See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(sports) In American English, a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel. The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for a large number of different clubs during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 In British footballing terms it means something different altogether. See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(sports) In American English, a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel. The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for a large number of different clubs during his career. The distinction between American and British English certainly isn't as cut and dried as whoever wrote this Wikipedia suggests. People definitely use the original definition here and I strongly suspect that's what the OP is getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Henry Furst Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 The distinction between American and British English certainly isn't as cut and dried as whoever wrote this Wikipedia suggests. People definitely use the original definition here and I strongly suspect that's what the OP is getting at. When used in a footballing context here, it's used to describe a player who has had many clubs. Google 'journeyman footballer' if the wiki link isn't sufficient. Every article I could find mentions the amount of clubs a player has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 My interpretation of journeyman is a sports player who moves from place to place doing the job asked of him. Reliable and dependable without being spectacular. Certainly not someone who plays for 3 clubs his whole career. I think it's slightly disrespectful tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I have always thought a Journeyman pro Is someone who has played for several clubs and whilst not being spectacular has always done a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 When used in a footballing context here, it's used to describe a player who has had many clubs. Google 'journeyman footballer' if the wiki link isn't sufficient. Every article I could find mentions the amount of clubs a player has had. Well, clearly it isn't, because the OP is referring to Berra being average rather than playing for a lot of clubs (which is clearly not the case). This is the original meaning of the word and the way I've always understood it. The latter definition seems to come from a widespread misconception. That's how words take on alternative meanings I suppose. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman Incidentally, I definitely wouldn't call Berra a journeyman in a Scottish football context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Henry Furst Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Well, clearly it isn't, because the OP is referring to Berra being average rather than playing for a lot of clubs (which is clearly not the case). This is the original meaning of the word and the way I've always understood it. The latter definition seems to come from a widespread misconception. That's how words take on alternative meanings I suppose. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman Incidentally, I definitely wouldn't call Berra a journeyman in a Scottish football context. I suspect you're giving the poster way too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatfield to sheffield Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Probably our most encouraging back line since the days of MacPherson & Levein. Get your point but I would say since Pressley and Webster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Get your point but I would say since Pressley and Webster And to a lesser extent webster/Zal. Which goes to show how good a servant Webster was despite his "contract" issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerothehero Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Trying to remember the original footballer described as having 'more clubs than Arnold Palmer' 70/80s - before Sky invented sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 A real captain...maybe the first one since (sorry I have to mention his name) Pressley! Reflects the feelings of the club. It was something they mentioned, that since Pressley left HMFC there hasn't been a leader on the park. They were also aware that there wasn't anyone with aerial power, and they have sorted out both with one signing, with more to come. A super first signing off this close season for us, and if the others are players of a similar standard things start to look better for next season (surely there hasto be someone out there somewhere who can play left back, might even end up being someone a little closer to home who has been overlooked (maybe looking to get Gary Naysmith training again and slot him in ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Exactly what we need. I just hope that people have a bit of realism. We're signing a journeyman not Maldini 35 caps for Scotland. He could stroll this league , says alot that Rangers wanted to nick him just so Hearts couldn't. I'd say the less realism the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC86 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Anyone that doesn't think Berra is a great signing for us, really doesn't understand football. Easily best CB in the country outside Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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