siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He'll do for me. International player, proven winner as a manager, Champions League experience, has done wonders on a shoestring budget at Artmedia, what more could he have done?. I think he could do well, not the big name we had hoped for but I think he is a good choice. I'd like to see him given his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He'll do for me. International player, proven winner as a manager, Champions League experience, has done wonders on a shoestring budget at Artmedia, what more could he have done?. I think he could do well, not the big name we had hoped for but I think he is a good choice. I'd like to see him given his chance. Not a terrible choice I agree, but we could do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I do think, if we're gonna go with someone who has no experience of the british or scottish game, he's a decent choice. Personally, I think experience of the british game and knowledge of the scottish game is a must. IMO, to go with someone who lacks that experience is a massive gamble. It could still work out, but even assuming he is a "good manager", it could also fail miserably through no fault of his own, just because it doesn't work out for him in a different country. I don't think we need to be taking that risk right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He'll do for me. International player, proven winner as a manager, Champions League experience, has done wonders on a shoestring budget at Artmedia, what more could he have done?. I think he could do well, not the big name we had hoped for but I think he is a good choice. I'd like to see him given his chance. Proven winner at what level though Siege ? I know we have to start somewhere but this guy does nothing for me. I would rather have the Iceman and BT, best of a bad bunch to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He'll do for me. International player, proven winner as a manager, Champions League experience, has done wonders on a shoestring budget at Artmedia, what more could he have done?. I think he could do well, not the big name we had hoped for but I think he is a good choice. I'd like to see him given his chance. IIRC, Eduard Malofeev has an impressive CV right up to where he joined Hearts. Weiss appeared to have flopped in his only Season out his homeland. How does his budget at Artmedia compare with other teams in that League ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 IIRC, Eduard Malofeev has an impressive CV right up to where he joined Hearts. Weiss appeared to have flopped in his only Season out his homeland. How does his budget at Artmedia compare with other teams in that League ? Far as I'm aware the bigger teams in the league are Slovan and Inter Bratislava who probably spend bigger? I wouldn'y imagine there is a huge amount of money in the slovakian leagues though and all the clubs are probably working from shoe string budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 it'd be interesting to see if he'd bring any of his players with him iirc there were a few handy ones who played against celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Far as I'm aware the bigger teams in the league are Slovan and Inter Bratislava who probably spend bigger? I wouldn'y imagine there is a huge amount of money in the slovakian leagues though and all the clubs are probably working from shoe string budgets. Household names eh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 IIRC, Eduard Malofeev has an impressive CV right up to where he joined Hearts. Weiss appeared to have flopped in his only Season out his homeland. How does his budget at Artmedia compare with other teams in that League ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Artmedia_Bratislava The Artmedia budget compares very poorly to Celtic, Rankers, Porto, Inter Milan, but it didn't stop them beating Celtic 5-0, drawing twice with Rankers, Beating Porto once and drawing the other one and losing 0 - 1 to Inter Milan. According to the above link the have an annual entire budget equal to the yearly salaries we were paying Tall and McCann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 IMO far and away the best option of the three. IF it MUST be one of the three, he is the one I would choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboLad Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'm not going to be delighted if Weiss or Thor get the job but i certainly will be happy provided they are given full control of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Artmedia_Bratislava The Artmedia budget compares very poorly to Celtic, Rankers, Porto, Inter Milan, but it didn't stop them beating Celtic 5-0, drawing twice with Rankers, Beating Porto once and drawing the other one and losing 0 - 1 to Inter Milan. According to the above link the have an annual entire budget equal to the yearly salaries we were paying Tall and McCann. That was a great achievement, but surely the true comparison of how he does with a budget is how it compares against the teams he was up against domestically as Drylaw Hearts suggests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I do think, if we're gonna go with someone who has no experience of the british or scottish game, he's a decent choice. Personally, I think experience of the british game and knowledge of the scottish game is a must. IMO, to go with someone who lacks that experience is a massive gamble. It could still work out, but even assuming he is a "good manager", it could also fail miserably through no fault of his own, just because it doesn't work out for him in a different country. I don't think we need to be taking that risk right now. Thats a really good view on things.As you say and i don't think there is much don't the guy is a very good coach but then would it happen in Scotland for him.He would certainly be up against it from the start with the media and fans constantly questioning his decision and wondering if they are even his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Artmedia_Bratislava The Artmedia budget compares very poorly to Celtic, Rankers, Porto, Inter Milan, but it didn't stop them beating Celtic 5-0, drawing twice with Rankers, Beating Porto once and drawing the other one and losing 0 - 1 to Inter Milan. According to the above link the have an annual entire budget equal to the yearly salaries we were paying Tall and McCann. So he had a lucky run in Europe. So did we once. I grant you the guy seems to have a decent record within in his own backyard though. But we aren't in his backyard. On his only venture out of there he failed miserably. My view on foriegn Managers in the SPL is that they very rarely work out. Only Advocaat and Jansen have decent records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 That was a great achievement, but surely the true comparison of how he does with a budget is how it compares against the teams he was up against domestically as Drylaw Hearts suggests? Well he won them there first ever title and has went back again and won the double.They are a small team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well he won he wn them there first ever title and has went back again and won the double.They are a small team. Where do they sit in comparison to the other teams in that League though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well he won them there first ever title and has went back again and won the double.They are a small team. But so are all Slovak teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 So he had a lucky run in Europe. So did we once. I grant you the guy seems to have a decent record within in his own backyard though. But we aren't in his backyard. On his only venture out of there he failed miserably. My view on foriegn Managers in the SPL is that they very rarely work out. Only Advocaat and Jansen have decent records. It's quite easy to fail in Russia though when you are up against the mega bucks of Zenit and CSKA.How do Saturn usually perform in that league ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 So he had a lucky run in Europe. So did we once. I grant you the guy seems to have a decent record within in his own backyard though. But we aren't in his backyard. On his only venture out of there he failed miserably. My view on foriegn Managers in the SPL is that they very rarely work out. Only Advocaat and Jansen have decent records. Come on! you don't get lucky runs in Europe. And tell me who were we lucky against when we had ours becuase I can only remember us being unlucky against Bayern in Bayern. How many foreign managers have there been in the SPL?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 But so are all Slovak teams. Just like every league they will have there bigger clubs.I meant in the context of the league they are a smaller team than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Would like to hear/see who Weiss would bring with him. Does he speak the language? If he comes with his own people and doesn't speak English he'd be pi55ing into the wind from the off imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 it'd be interesting to see if he'd bring any of his players with him iirc there were a few handy ones who played against celtic. Juraj Halen?r was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Household names eh ! they won the league and cup doubles in 2000 and 2001. I'd heard of them from somewhere. But the standard of the slovakian league is such that it doesn't appear there is much between any of the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Would like to hear/see who Weiss would bring with him. Does he speak the language? If he comes with his own people and doesn't speak English he'd be pi55ing into the wind from the off imo. He speaks a little english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Juraj Halen?r was pretty good. Still at Artmedia by the looks of it. Artmedia signed him for a whopping 20million* though! could we afford to lure him here * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He'll do for me. International player, proven winner as a manager, Champions League experience, has done wonders on a shoestring budget at Artmedia, what more could he have done?. I think he could do well, not the big name we had hoped for but I think he is a good choice. I'd like to see him given his chance. Is he the manager you were hoping for, or is what you really mean that he is the best of a pretty ordinary 3 names that have popped up recently. An awful lot of emphasis seems to be getting put on the fact Artmedia have had one good run in Europe, in that they are far from alone, and he has spent well in a league where there is no money, however, more truthfully, not a lot of competition. In relation to having experience of the British game winning 5-0 versus Celtic then losing 4-0 versus them in Glasgow isn't really what I would class as having said experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjc2006 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I think out of the candidates that have been mentioned over the last two days i would prefer Thor but i wouldnt be too upset with Weiss. Everything ive read about Thor makes me think that hes the type of manager we need i.e. someone who'll sort out the discipline within the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Still at Artmedia by the looks of it. Artmedia signed him for a whopping 20million* though! could we afford to lure him here * At Artmedia he plays his third season now. 2005/06 he scored 6 times in 28 matches, 2006/07 he made 9 goals in 29 matches. In the first 11 matches of the current season he striked 11 times. He wasn't too prolific in his first two seasons (It's probably prolific by our current standards) but he's scored 11 in 11 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 He speaks a little english. Not what I was wanting to hear. Someone from his management team must be able to speak fluent English imo. We've all been witness to the problems which it can cause otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Is he the manager you were hoping for, or is what you really mean that he is the best of a pretty ordinary 3 names that have popped up recently. An awful lot of emphasis seems to be getting put on the fact Artmedia have had one good run in Europe, in that they are far from alone, and he has spent well in a league where there is no money, however, more truthfully, not a lot of competition. In relation to having experience of the British game winning 5-0 versus Celtic then losing 4-0 versus them in Glasgow isn't really what I would class as having said experience. Every name we have been linked with is ordinary i mean what are McGhee,Davies,Levein or JJ on the european stage ? Big names in Scotland yes but outside of it Championship level at best.The only problem with this guy is could he adapt as there is no doubt he is a good coach.As for the above Scots of course i would be pleased if we got any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not what I was wanting to hear. Someone from his management team must be able to speak fluent English imo. We've all been witness to the problems which it can cause otherwise. I'm not hugely worried about that in comparison to some of the other concerns. He could learn English quite quickly I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 Still at Artmedia by the looks of it. Artmedia signed him for a whopping 20million* though! could we afford to lure him here * Slovak Koruna, I'll leave you to do the maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Come on! you don't get lucky runs in Europe. And tell me who were we lucky against when we had ours becuase I can only remember us being unlucky against Bayern in Bayern. How many foreign managers have there been in the SPL?. Rangers ? They were stinkin in every game I watched. I will never know how they made it to the Final. Foriegn Managers in the Top League in Scotland since 1990 : Ebbe Skovdahl Liam Brady Wim Janson Jozef Venglos John Barnes (Jamaican) Ivan Golac Valdas Ivanauskas Eduard Malofeev Anatoli Korobochka Angel Cerenkov Mixi Paatelainen Harry Kampman Dick Advocaat Paul Le Guen Taking out John Barnes, the only 2 that have a decent record is Advocaat and Janson - and he was only here for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not what I was wanting to hear. Someone from his management team must be able to speak fluent English imo. We've all been witness to the problems which it can cause otherwise. From what I have been reading about on the internet he speaks little, probably more accurate to say no, English, but speaks fluent Russian. Not that that would influence the selection process I don't think, would it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 i'd say if he was taking over an established squad with a base to build on, it'd be a lot easier for someone to come into a new country. I think coming in and needing to rebuild from basically nothing is where we are at, and I think that would be a much tougher task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnie Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladim%C3%ADr_Weiss He coached FC Saturn Ramenskoye from February 2006 to June 2007. He brought here several Slovak footballers from his former club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not what I was wanting to hear. Someone from his management team must be able to speak fluent English imo. We've all been witness to the problems which it can cause otherwise. I was trying to think of an English speaking Slovak with a connection to Scottish football who would be useful for Weiss to have on his coaching staff. The only man I could think of...and those of you of hunnish disposition look away now....is Lubo Moravcik, the former Celtic player who is currently coaching Slovakia's under 17's. Would probably make sense is Weiss is indeed our man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'm not hugely worried about that in comparison to some of the other concerns. He could learn English quite quickly I'm sure. Well I'm not sure. What do we do whilst he is learning? Will his instructions at pre season be clear enough for the players to follow? Ffs, Ivanauskas spoke pretty good English and at times the players were struggling to understand. This would be a risky appointment imo, out of the 3 I'd prefer this Icelandic character. I suspect we might end up with neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I was trying to think of an English speaking Slovak with a connection to Scottish football who would be useful for Weiss to have on his coaching staff. The only man I could think of...and those of you of hunnish disposition look away now....is Lubo Moravcik, the former Celtic player who is currently coaching Slovakia's under 17's. Would probably make sense is Weiss is indeed our man. Tomaschek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmo Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well I'm not sure. What do we do whilst he is learning? Will his instructions at pre season be clear enough for the players to follow? Ffs, Ivanauskas spoke pretty good English and at times the players were struggling to understand. This would be a risky appointment imo, out of the 3 I'd prefer this Icelandic character. I suspect we might end up with neither. Agree - very risky appointment. Only point I was making is that the basics of English can be picked up very quickly, so wouldn't say no to him purely on that basis. Would be more around the fact that we can do a whole lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 i'd say if he was taking over an established squad with a base to build on, it'd be a lot easier for someone to come into a new country. I think coming in and needing to rebuild from basically nothing is where we are at, and I think that would be a much tougher task. Agreed and that's why the 'Iceman' aided by Butcher would be my first choice out of the 3 names quoted. I'd still rather have someone else though tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 Is he the manager you were hoping for, or is what you really mean that he is the best of a pretty ordinary 3 names that have popped up recently. An awful lot of emphasis seems to be getting put on the fact Artmedia have had one good run in Europe, in that they are far from alone, and he has spent well in a league where there is no money, however, more truthfully, not a lot of competition. In relation to having experience of the British game winning 5-0 versus Celtic then losing 4-0 versus them in Glasgow isn't really what I would class as having said experience. Come on, do you really think if it was down to me Weiss would be my fisrt choice as manager! No he is not the manager I was hoping for (but then McGhee wasn't either) and yes what I really mean is he is the best out of the three mention. But then again I think you knew that. Everyone seems to be getting hung up on this "experience of the British game", where did that term come from?, who exactly fed us that line?, oh aye Hearts, the same Hearts that are looking at Weiss who doesn't have that experience, funny that eh. Then again beggars can't be choosers. I'm sure the Chelsea punters will be spewing old Phil Scolari has been given their job, he has hee haw "experience of the British game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Slovak Koruna, I'll leave you to do the maths. about 20p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjc2006 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I was trying to think of an English speaking Slovak with a connection to Scottish football who would be useful for Weiss to have on his coaching staff. The only man I could think of...and those of you of hunnish disposition look away now....is Lubo Moravcik, the former Celtic player who is currently coaching Slovakia's under 17's. Would probably make sense is Weiss is indeed our man. Tomashek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 i'd say if he was taking over an established squad with a base to build on, it'd be a lot easier for someone to come into a new country. I think coming in and needing to rebuild from basically nothing is where we are at, and I think that would be a much tougher task. God you speak sense. If we had any other owner than Vlad i think he might have been able to come in and do ok but because he is foriegn and spaeks very little english at best people are always going to think he is being undermined and add to that the total lack of morale alreafy in our squad it may be to hard to get his views across quickly enough.He just would not get the time to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Would like to hear/see who Weiss would bring with him. Does he speak the language? If he comes with his own people and doesn't speak English he'd be pi55ing into the wind from the off imo. One report I read (EEN?) said he speaks Russian, German and decent English. A lot could depend on who his assistant(s) would be, in the initial period at least. He has proved he can win things, is young enough, keen to come and will not have the mind-set that the OF are unbeatable, given that his team already gave Celtic a good humping. I'm warming to this guy. And for those who think his league is not up to much, remember that Fergie started at E. Stirling and Shankly managed some lower league clubs. Others like Dalglish, Mowbray and Souness had no experience at all when they got their big break into management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 Rangers ? They were stinkin in every game I watched. I will never know how they made it to the Final. Foriegn Managers in the Top League in Scotland since 1990 : Ebbe Skovdahl Liam Brady Wim Janson Jozef Venglos John Barnes (Jamacian) Ivan Golac Valdas Ivanauskas Eduard Malofeev Anatoli Korobochka Angel Cerenkov Mixi Paatelainen Harry Kampman Dick Advocaat Paul Le Guen Taking out John Barnes, the only 2 that have a decent record is Advocaat and Janson - and he was only here for a year. Feck off, half the fecking list are Hearts failures, sorry not having that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 A lot could depend on who his assistant(s) would be, in the initial period at least. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Feck off, half the fecking list are Hearts failures, sorry not having that. You've got no option. Those are the facts I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Tomaschek Does he have any coaching experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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