Ray Gin Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 One suspects that there shall be many Sevconians displeased by this announcement: ?Hun? and ?Jock? not offensive, says Ofcom research DESCRIBING a Scot as a ?Jock? is not offensive with the word ?hun? also deemed as ?mild language?, according to research by communications regulator Ofcom. The watchdog has ranked offensive terms on a scale from ?mild? to ?strongest?. Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/news/hun-and-jock-not-offensive-says-ofcom-research-1-4248100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweegy Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Ibtl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 This makes fun reading (Ofcoms list of offensive words and their level of offensiveness!) https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/91625/OfcomQRG-AOC.pdf I had never heard of the term "slope" until the Top Gear furore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col1874 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 So, referring to a Japanese person as a Jap is seen as offensive... REALLY?!?!? Another one I don't understand is why the shortened name for Pakistan nationals is seen as offensive. Since 'Stan' means 'land' referring to people from Scotland as a 'Scot' is no different to others calling Pakistan nationals their shortened name... Its just my opinion and no doubt someone will get offended and shoot me down but it is a valid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.Wright Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I get offended when referred to as 'Jock'. It's not used by other Scots and is only used in a derogatory fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 So, referring to a Japanese person as a Jap is seen as offensive... REALLY?!?!? Another one I don't understand is why the shortened name for Pakistan nationals is seen as offensive. Since 'Stan' means 'land' referring to people from Scotland as a 'Scot' is no different to others calling Pakistan nationals their shortened name... Its just my opinion and no doubt someone will get offended and shoot me down but it is a valid argument. It was pretty much always used in a derogatory manner, similar to "Jock". For that reason it would be taken as being offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I get offended when referred to as 'Jock'. It's not used by other Scots and is only used in a derogatory fashion. I don't get overly offended by it, but it certainly isn't meant as an affectionate term. I used to go to England for work a lot and people only ever used it as a way of picking fun at Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I spent years in the armed forces, mainly based abroad and in England. Always called a Jock, never once did it bother me. The shortened names for Japanese and Pakistani are, IMO, offensive terms though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I used to work with an ex English squadie and he always called me Jock. I don't think he ever called me by my real name. I have also been told any Scots soldiers in barracks down south are known as Jock. Nothing to get worked up about, just good banter if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Did anyone else here used to play "**** and Commandos" in the late '60s and early '70s. So, referring to a Japanese person as a Jap is seen as offensive... REALLY?!?!?Another one I don't understand is why the shortened name for Pakistan nationals is seen as offensive. Since 'Stan' means 'land' referring to people from Scotland as a 'Scot' is no different to others calling Pakistan nationals their shortened name...Its just my opinion and no doubt someone will get offended and shoot me down but it is a valid argument. Semantically, you're not at all wrong. A Kazakh won't take offence at being called a Kazakh; likewise with Afghan(i) or Tajiki. However, the phrase P4k1 was used derogatorily (and liberally) in the '70s and '80s and, to my observation, regardless of whether the person was from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. The knuckleheads made it an offensive term. I've sounded this out with a couple of very good Pakistani friends. If I were to use the word as an adjective in conversation with one or both of them, they'd be fine. If I said it with others from different nationalities in earshot, they'd be horrified. Odd one but best consigned to the bin when it's not all that hard to say 'Pakistani' instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 So, referring to a Japanese person as a Jap is seen as offensive... REALLY?!?!? Another one I don't understand is why the shortened name for Pakistan nationals is seen as offensive. Since 'Stan' means 'land' referring to people from Scotland as a 'Scot' is no different to others calling Pakistan nationals their shortened name... Its just my opinion and no doubt someone will get offended and shoot me down but it is a valid argument. This puzzles me also, it has been hijacked by racists no doubt, but I agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 However innocent the intentions, the terms "Jap", "****" and "Chinky" have been used for decades in a derogatory fashion as a slur by racists, often preceded by the word '****ing' and followed by the word "b*******". They are also frequently used for people who aren't even from Japan, Pakistan or China. As such the words have taken on an offensive and hurtful context and are no longer acceptable. Edit - apparently kickback, however, only censors the Pakistani slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 However innocent the intentions, the terms "Jap", "****" and "Chinky" have been used for decades in a derogatory fashion as a slur by racists, often preceded by the word '****ing' and followed by the word "b*******". They are also frequently used for people who aren't even from Japan, Pakistan or China. As such the words have taken on an offensive and hurtful context and are no longer acceptable. Agreed, I'd never use the term but it seem silly after all these years it's still seen as derogatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 So, referring to a Japanese person as a Jap is seen as offensive... REALLY?!?!? Another one I don't understand is why the shortened name for Pakistan nationals is seen as offensive. Since 'Stan' means 'land' referring to people from Scotland as a 'Scot' is no different to others calling Pakistan nationals their shortened name... Its just my opinion and no doubt someone will get offended and shoot me down but it is a valid argument. Probably got something to do with anyone from south-east Asia being called *shortened term for Pakistanis* by daft racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 What a sad pathetic world we live in where we have to be told when and where not to be offended. I don't believe being offended even exists as a human reaction. Total bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I never use the words P#ki,Ch##ky, or J#ps, I would say that I've been called a jock many times and mostly in a derogatory or an aggressive manner. It doesn't really bother me personally being called it. I just try and ignore the Neanderthal that's calling me it for an abusive reason, as I'm not going to lower myself to their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 What a sad pathetic world we live in where we have to be told when and where not to be offended. I don't believe being offended even exists as a human reaction. Total bullshit. People do indeed get offended. I seem to have an unintentional knack for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 One suspects that there shall be many Sevconians displeased by this announcement: ?Hun? and ?Jock? not offensive, says Ofcom research DESCRIBING a Scot as a ?Jock? is not offensive with the word ?hun? also deemed as ?mild language?, according to research by communications regulator Ofcom. The watchdog has ranked offensive terms on a scale from ?mild? to ?strongest?. Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/news/hun-and-jock-not-offensive-says-ofcom-research-1-4248100 I take it you skipped over the part "However seen as more offensive to those familiar with its history and use as a sectarian insult"? There's also a quote from Ofcom saying participants found it difficult because they didn't know what some of the words meant. Overall it sounds like a thoroughly worthwhile exercise. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It's only Rangers fans who have tried to shoe-horn a religious angle into the word "Hun" that pretend to be offended by it. There is not and never has been a religious factor to that word in my view. It's just a derogation for a Rangers fan and nothing else. I don't believe even they are actually offended by it despite what they'd have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 It's only Rangers fans who have tried to shoe-horn a religious angle into the word "Hun" that pretend to be offended by it. There is not and never has been a religious factor to that word in my view. It's just a derogation for a Rangers fan and nothing else. I don't believe even they are actually offended by it despite what they'd have you believe. This. Never been aware of any religious slant to the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I must be one of life's lucky people. In that I have skin as thick ad an Elephant's bahookie and just as crinkly. My first two days in the Royal.Navy were an eye opener. Was called an East Coast by a chief from the West of Scotland and the next day a FRISP by an English chief. FRISP standing for a feckin repugnant ignorant Scottish pig. I had been fore warned that this would happen ad they wanted a reaction to see if I could or couldn't take it. Having been brought up for most of my childhood in West Pilton. I could take it. Name calling is not right but for me personally it is water off a duck's back. I just think I'm made of sterner stuff than many nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I used to get it all the time of a senior guy I worked with when I was an apprentice in Manchester. Jock this, Jock that. "Get the Sweaty to do it" Never said with any form of goodwill. Nowadays I'd probably have a claim for bullying!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I spent years in the armed forces, mainly based abroad and in England. Always called a Jock, never once did it bother me. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I must be one of life's lucky people. In that I have skin as thick ad an Elephant's bahookie and just as crinkly. My first two days in the Royal.Navy were an eye opener. Was called an East Coast ###### by a chief from the West of Scotland and the next day a FRISP by an English chief. FRISP standing for a feckin repugnant ignorant Scottish pig. I had been fore warned that this would happen ad they wanted a reaction to see if I could or couldn't take it. Having been brought up for most of my childhood in West Pilton. I could take it. Name calling is not right but for me personally it is water off a duck's back. I just think I'm made of sterner stuff than many nowadays. When did you serve John? I was 90-97, 1st sea draft the Edinburgh, then Sheffield. I always thought the R in FRISP was retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 When did you serve John? I was 90-97, 1st sea draft the Edinburgh, then Sheffield. I always thought the R in FRISP was retarded. Served 1979-1990. 1st sea draft was the Intrepid. I was on her for the Falkland conflict. Then the Fife and Andromeda. With a loan draft on the Brazen. Whilst on Andromeda the Edinburgh did her very first deployment which was an Armilla patrol to the Persian Gulf. Played fitbaw against The Edinburgh in Gibraltar and was jealous as they wore Hearts strips. Game ended a 2-2 draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 However innocent the intentions, the terms "Jap", "****" and "Chinky" have been used for decades in a derogatory fashion as a slur by racists, often preceded by the word '****ing' and followed by the word "b*******". They are also frequently used for people who aren't even from Japan, Pakistan or China. As such the words have taken on an offensive and hurtful context and are no longer acceptable. Edit - apparently kickback, however, only censors the Pakistani slur. I'm off to the restaurant thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Served 1979-1990. 1st sea draft was the Intrepid. I was on her for the Falkland conflict. Then the Fife and Andromeda. With a loan draft on the Brazen. Whilst on Andromeda the Edinburgh did her very first deployment which was an Armilla patrol to the Persian Gulf. Played fitbaw against The Edinburgh in Gibraltar and was jealous as they wore Hearts strips. Game ended a 2-2 draw. Did you score, on or off the park? Gib was/is a notoriously difficult run ashore to pull. I tried my arm several times at Charlie's Hole in the Wall, to no avail. My mate was in Gib last week, he was sending me pics of the Donkey's flip-flop, hasn't changed much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Did you score, on or off the park? Gib was/is a notoriously difficult run ashore to pull. I tried my arm several times at Charlie's Hole in the Wall, to no avail. My mate was in Gib last week, he was sending me pics of the Donkey's flip-flop, hasn't changed much. Never scored on the park. I was a goalie. Never scored off the park in Gib either. Not even at Charlie's hole in the wall. Great place for alcoholics Gib. I did do seven rock races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 One of my oldest and best mates, all through primary was known to everyone as chinky. It certainly wasn't meant in a derogatory way however we stopped calling him it as we got older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I get offended when referred to as 'Jock'. It's not used by other Scots and is only used in a derogatory fashion. Agree with this. It may at one time have been a fairly innocent term meant almost affectionately, but nowadays, in my experience anyway, it's used by tossers who wish to give offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 One of my oldest and best mates, all through primary was known to everyone as chinky. It certainly wasn't meant in a derogatory way however we stopped calling him it as we got older. edited by Mods for the name what he was known (it is a derogatory term usually tbf) although it was not meant in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Used to know a guy known as **** (again not in a derogatory way). Not sure if you're being serious. Regardless it was early 80's however I wouldn't dream of using that term now or even since primary. I was simply highlighting the fact how things and times change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Packy was short for Patrick where I grew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 This makes fun reading (Ofcoms list of offensive words and their level of offensiveness!) https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/91625/OfcomQRG-AOC.pdf I had never heard of the term "slope" until the Top Gear furore. Had a giggle reading that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 I'm off to the restaurant thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Served 1979-1990. 1st sea draft was the Intrepid. I was on her for the Falkland conflict. Then the Fife and Andromeda. With a loan draft on the Brazen. Whilst on Andromeda the Edinburgh did her very first deployment which was an Armilla patrol to the Persian Gulf. Played fitbaw against The Edinburgh in Gibraltar and was jealous as they wore Hearts strips. Game ended a 2-2 draw.Off topic: Wish I'd had the balls to join the navy as a nipper. Looked into it a few years ago when I completed my first degree as a mature student but was advised by the recruiter that although I wasn't to old to sign up I was too old to enter into the sort of job where my education would be relevant. On topic: I work daily with intelligent folk from all over the planet, and a measure of casual racism in amongst the usual workplace banter is the norm. It doesn't bother me or anyone else one bit - as long as it's jovial and tongue-in-cheek - which it is. As with most other things, context is definately key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Had a giggle reading that One of the 'Polaks' and 'Darkys' I'm at work with had a good laugh at it too. The racial stuff aside, 'beef-curtains' seemes to be a particular favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I never use the words P#ki,Ch##ky, or J#ps, I would say that I've been called a jock many times and mostly in a derogatory or an aggressive manner. It doesn't really bother me personally being called it. I just try and ignore the Neanderthal that's calling me it for an abusive reason, as I'm not going to lower myself to their level. On the Bristol City fans forum some City welt told me to "Jock off" as a result my response got me banned from the forum by stating that I should have listened to my mates who told me all City fans are pricks. Years on I can safely say City fans are bitter twisted w@nkers only matched by those bitter .net posters'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Jock is like Taff. Not offensive in the slightest. As for Hun, the thick Hun support were the only ones trying to get that outlawed for reasons known only to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Jock is like Taff. Not offensive in the slightest. As for Hun, the thick Hun support were the only ones trying to get that outlawed for reasons known only to them. I think it is because originally Seliiik were classed as the 'Hun'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Packy was short for Patrick where I grew up. Bonnar is called that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Packy was short for Patrick where I grew up. Different spelling though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Packy was short for Patrick where I grew up. Different spelling though isn't it? Aye but trying to get that through to some people is bloody difficult especially when in a busy pub!! "What you fur Packy?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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