Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 After setting up a goal when he came on last week he's only went and scored on his first start within 5 minutes. A very exciting prospect for the national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Wow...uber excited about this chap for Scotland (no pun). If he's making such a quick & big impact in the world class technical level of the bundesliga it's fair to say Scotland could actually have a world class player finally. Very positive stuff...could he be our bale that takes us to a big finals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Dropped in favour of Shaun Maloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 His team remain popular with the rest of the German football community. http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/cologne-fans-protest-of-rb-leipzig-causes-match-to-be-delayed-092516 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton Peck Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 The guy has made it by being untouched by the SFA youth system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 The guy has made it by being untouched by the SFA youth system Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told. Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 The guy has made it by being untouched by the SFA youth system Bingo. Actually quite funny if it didnt make me so sad that my job means I am most likely pissing into the wind the next 4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told. Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation. does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Was under impression he has been with forest from age of 8 until 4 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Bingo. Actually quite funny if it didnt make me so sad that my job means I am most likely pissing into the wind the next 4 years! Whats your job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told. Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation. nah born in Kirkcaldy but brought up in England for most of his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 His team remain popular with the rest of the German football community. http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/cologne-fans-protest-of-rb-leipzig-causes-match-to-be-delayed-092516 Good can't wait till they go bust. Absolute scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 McGhee kent he was a sensation from he off but never mentioned it till last week would you believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Whats your job? Hearts striker coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Dropped in favour of Shaun Maloney. Funny but definitely possible under Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Video of goal https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/780074181086052352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Not even Strachan would omit him from the starting lineup. Would he? Got my ticket for the Lithuania game, so looking forward to seeing him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Lovely finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Lovely finish. Bit lucky with deflection, but he started the move and his movement to see the gap and attack it, was brilliant. Looks so powerful and purposeful. And that isn't going to be coached out of him over there either which is brilliant! So difficult not to get excited about him even though we all know it should be tempered!!! Been a while since we had someone to be excitedd about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told. Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation. There will always be different routes to top. Important that is recognised. Doesn't mean youth system is wrong. But being realistic, open and honest about how many places should be expected to come through that route would be good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told. Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation. Signed for a team in Leicestershire when he was 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussAsia Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Was under impression he has been with forest from age of 8 until 4 weeks ago Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team.. Good can't wait till they go bust. Absolute scum. I'm curious.. why that hatred of them.. Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support.. Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out.. The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams.. Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else.. I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Signed for a team in Leicestershire when he was 8! Might have had a similar youth programme and coaching then to say SFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 How many fans do Red Bull get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 How many fans do Red Bull get?Average home league attendance in the league below was just under 30,000 last season. Not sure how many for the home games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Average home league attendance in the league below was just under 30,000 last season. Not sure how many for the home games this season I wonder who these people supported before. How can you just pluck 30,000 fans out eh. I assume the area was perhaps crying our for a team so in that case fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Whats your job? Goalkeeping coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I wonder who these people supported before. How can you just pluck 30,000 fans out eh. I assume the area was perhaps crying our for a team so in that case fair enough.Looks like they found another 10,000 again this season as well, 2 home games have had about 42,000 at them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Looks like they found another 10,000 again this season as well, 2 home games have had about 42,000 at them It is all very American to me. The least German thing I think I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Population of over 500,000 and didnt have a team anywhere near the top divisions so must be a lot of lapsed fans of smaller teams as well as newbies to get that many along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Sounds a lot better than : Gretna Livingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Sounds a lot better than : Gretna Livingston Rangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 nah born in Kirkcaldy but brought up in England for most of his life My mistake! I'd still argue his development is better than it would've been had he been with a Scottish club. The English sides seem to, from time to time, develop guys who are strong and skillful. Whereas in Scotland I'd argue we're lost a bit on what we want from our youth teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Signed for a team in Leicestershire when he was 8! I won't be listening to my flat mate on the finer points of Ollie Burke again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 My mistake! I'd still argue his development is better than it would've been had he been with a Scottish club. The English sides seem to, from time to time, develop guys who are strong and skillful. Whereas in Scotland I'd argue we're lost a bit on what we want from our youth teams. Agree with this, our Pro Youth system isn't working. It's far too bloated. We need it to be more elitist and concentrate on producing stars. Let all the other kids build character and skills playing for the boys clubs. I've seen kids who are great players, pass and move, work hard for the team. Get picked up by PY and then get told to go out and do your own thing. They then spend most of the match having to go looking for the ball as no one passes it. They then become disillusioned as it goes against what they have been taught. The age cut offs are completely different to England. There is no 9-a-side transition. We are basically doing the same thing over and over again while getting the same results. I watched a game the other day and there were no outstanding defenders and no outstanding strikers. We are develpoing players who are all very similair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Population of over 500,000 and didnt have a team anywhere near the top divisions so must be a lot of lapsed fans of smaller teams as well as newbies to get that many along You could go further than that to be honest, Saxony in general has a population of around 4 million and until this season where Dynamo Dresden and Aue got promoted to the 2nd division only Leipzig was in the top 2 divisions of German football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM1874 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You could go further than that to be honest, Saxony in general has a population of around 4 million and until this season where Dynamo Dresden and Aue got promoted to the 2nd division only Leipzig was in the top 2 divisions of German football. If I'm not mistaken Aue is where Novikovas landed after he left us and they gave us a nice wee fee for compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 If the UK don't win the world cup next year with Oliver Burke playin' I'll be rajin likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 RB Leipzig are a cancer in German football, everything I hate about the modern game rolled into a single package. Scumbags who have just bought clown fans to the detriment of the city's traditional clubs. After their sickening exercise in Salzburg I look forward to the day the parent company folds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wonder what those same fans make of Hoffenheim and Wokfsburg Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxondale Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Genuinely excited about this boy. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind he will make it to the absolute top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It is absolutely superb to see a young Scottish player looking like he will make it to the top - well overdue. I would love to see Ryan Gauld fulfill his potential, as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wonder what those same fans make of Hoffenheim and Wokfsburg Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Hoffenheim are considered only slightly better, Dietmar Hopp is hated by most fans of the real clubs in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team.. I'm curious.. why that hatred of them.. Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support.. Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out.. The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams.. Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else.. I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed.. Like yourself, I really don't see the problem? It's been done time and time again? Puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team.. I'm curious.. why that hatred of them.. Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support.. Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out.. The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams.. Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else.. I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed.. I think the objection is that people view Red Bull as buying teams essentially as a marketing ploy. The other owners you mention are more likely in it simply to lavish cash on a club as a plaything. Perhaps to make money in the Glazers case. I believe that is the crux of the issue motivating the dislike of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team.. I'm curious.. why that hatred of them.. Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support.. Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out.. The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams.. Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else.. I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed.. I think the objection is that people view Red Bull as buying teams essentially as a marketing ploy. The other owners you mention are more likely in it simply to lavish cash on a club as a plaything. Perhaps to make money in the Glazers case. I believe that is the crux of the issue motivating the dislike of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I think I'll maybe give him at least a season before proclaiming him the 2nd coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'm curious.. why that hatred of them.. Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support.. Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out.. The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams.. Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else.. I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed.. They didn't build the stadium, that was a relic from germanys world cup iirc. The team's a marketing exercise for red bull, a fairly odious company - Vorayuth Yoovidhya, the son of the owner, tried to have someone else framed when he ran over and killed a police officer, dragging his body 100 yards down the road. The officer involved in the framing is suspended and facing charges, while the son still hasn't faced charges 4 years later and hasn't even been showing up to meetings to "discuss the issue". Anyway, Germany's particularly community orientated when it comes to football, they have the 50+1 rule for ownership to ensure clubs are run for the benefit of fans, and to avoid blatant commercialism. There are exceptions like Wolfsburg who are owned by volkswagen, but they started out as a works team in a volkswagen town and have seven decades of history - they're grudgingly accepted. Every step of the way Red Bull have shimmied round the rules - when the DVB insisted that the club be controlled by a fans group, they simply made membership fees so high that no normal fan could afford it and only a few well placed "independent" individuals were able to join. There's been a lot of shenanigans in their short history, but the biggest issue is a private company creating a club and out spending everyone to buy titles and create value for their shareholders. German football hates them, protesters blocked the team bus in Cologne on the weekend, and I imagine the same would happen here if Coca Cola created a club in Stirling with ridiculous funding and started dominating Scottish football. Also see Red Bull Salzburg in Austria, where they bought an existing club, changed the badge, colours, name and said "we're a new club with no history" before being forced to recognise the clubs past It's all very depressing and a cancer that's spreading in the game. Red Bull Salzburg, New York Red Bulls and now RB Leipzig - sad days, the fans mean nothing, the corporate image is everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (Sorry for the long winded bollocks, I never realised I'd gone on for so long) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I don't think anyone is getting too carried away here. The reactions to the sudden arrival of Oliver Burke have been completely natural to seeing a 19 year old Scottish player score in the bundesliga on his full debut. You can see his raw talent, positivity & attitude;it's absolutely undeniable. He has made a telling impact in every single game I've seen him play for forest,Scotland and Leipzig. He's no Ryan gauld, Jack Harper or Islam feruz all anonymous in high level first team action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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