shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=722703 An absolute scandal if this happens - especially given UEFA didn't have the balls to keep them out two years ago after Moggiopoli broke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Yeah a total joke and why Milan.Why not for one year only give the place to a lower ranked country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Yeah a total joke and why Milan.Why not for one year only give the place to a lower ranked country. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Surely the precedent set 2 years ago when Juventus were denied entry was that the lower placed teams in the league all moved up a place so Levski should get in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Seems to me that this is morally wrong considering Milan would benefit from a wrongdoing when they have hardly been transparent themselves over the years. Berlusconi pulling strings again if you ask me. Surely it should just go to the next team in the portugese league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Absolute disgrace. Seems like that post yesterday about sport being corrupt to the core is ringing true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The C.L. will have lost all credibility if this is allowed and UEFA should hang their heads in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The C.L. will have lost all credibility if this is allowed and UEFA should hang their heads in shame. It will be the weight of 'soiled' cash in their pockets that's keeping their heads bowed The games a bogey lads, might as well go up the park, get the jerseys down, and play some good honest 'for the love of the game' footie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam01 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 How can one of Bulgaria's most successful clubs be denied to play in their own league? That sounds diabolical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The game is a farce. Anyting can be bought now. Milan should still be serving a European ban along with Fiorentina, Lazio and Juve IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 The Champions League was expanded to its current format in time for the start of the 1999/2000 season. Entirely coincidentally, when UEFA announced it, Milan, despite spending a small fortune, had comically managed to finish first 11th, then 10th in Serie A. My belief at the time was, as well as trying to head off a breakaway Super League, the governing body were, more than anything, looking to appease Silvio Berlusconi, one of the loudest noises behind a breakaway, who plainly believed his club had a divine right to play in the continent's leading competition, come what may. Granted, Milan did at least enter the 99/0 competition, in which they humiliatingly finished bottom of their group, so not even reaching the UEFA Cup (another sop brought in to appease the Berlusconis of this world) having regained the Italian title - but only after an astonishing series of ludicrous refereeing decisions and dubious winners deep into injury time enabled them to finish ahead of a far superior Lazio. This was the period when Luciano Moggi's power was at its height: power which almost led to Juventus doing the exact same thing the following season. But the truth was, Milan were ****e - and UEFA petrified what their owner might do. So it was that seven years on, they were quite shamefully allowed into the CL despite being implicated in the corruption scandal in Italy: and now this. Bear in mind that they've only got such a good coefficient in the first place because they went on to win the 2006/7 tournament, which they should never have been playing in in the first place - but the reasons being given are an utter nonsense. The CL has become a cartel of the rich and very rich in recent years: the same dozen or so clubs dominate year after year. But if this happens, UEFA and Michel Platini will have abandoned all pretence as to it being a truly competitive event, in which all clubs have a chance of making their mark; and you may as well close the door to anyone else and make it an annual exhibition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 The game is a farce. Anyting can be bought now. Milan should still be serving a European ban along with Fiorentina, Lazio and Juve IMO. Juve and Milan, definitely - I'm not sure about those two, though. I felt they were harshly dealt with, mainly because the authorities had to be seen to be tough, and there was a lot less chance of them fighting back than there was Milan. Fiorentina especially fought tooth and nail to take the final CL place ahead of Roma in 05/6, only to see it taken away again by the courts - and one of the biggest reasons I was so pleased to see them finish 4th this season was that it finally put this right. Of course, they'll only lose in the qualifiers anyway: it wouldn't be Fiorentina if they didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carjam Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The game is a farce. Anyting can be bought now. Milan should still be serving a European ban along with Fiorentina, Lazio and Juve IMO. Aye and the tally's should'nae huv been allowed ti compete in the last world cup or this years euro champs. How long have they been up to guises like this?... ask yer granda !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interista Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 This is a non story and has been dismissed as such: UEFA CL Admission Rules: Article 1.01: UEFA member associations may enter a certain number of clubs for the competition, in accordance with their position in the coefficient rankings in Annex Ia, drawn up in accordance with Annex II of these regulations. However, no association may enter more than four clubs for the competition. These rankings also determine the stage at which clubs join the competition. Article 1.07: A club which is not admitted to the competition shall be replaced by the next best-placed club in the top domestic league championship of the same national association, provided it fulfils the admission criteria. In this case, the access list for the UEFA Club Competitions (Annex Ia) will be adjusted accordingly Bilan v Queen of the South it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 This is a non story and has been dismissed as such: UEFA CL Admission Rules: Article 1.01: UEFA member associations may enter a certain number of clubs for the competition, in accordance with their position in the coefficient rankings in Annex Ia, drawn up in accordance with Annex II of these regulations. However, no association may enter more than four clubs for the competition. has this not already been flaunted? These rankings also determine the stage at which clubs join the competition. Article 1.07: A club which is not admitted to the competition shall be replaced by the next best-placed club in the top domestic league championship of the same national association, and this one?provided it fulfils the admission criteria. In this case, the access list for the UEFA Club Competitions (Annex Ia) will be adjusted accordingly Bilan v Queen of the South it is then Liverpool anyone? (different circumstances altogether i know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I honestly cant see why UEFA have not yet just dropped the pretense that the CL is a honest competition and bring in the same big teams automaticly in every year. It sadden me's that the game I love is so corrupt. I just wish there is something we could do but sadly I dont think there is any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 This is a non story and has been dismissed as such: UEFA CL Admission Rules: Article 1.01: UEFA member associations may enter a certain number of clubs for the competition, in accordance with their position in the coefficient rankings in Annex Ia, drawn up in accordance with Annex II of these regulations. However, no association may enter more than four clubs for the competition. These rankings also determine the stage at which clubs join the competition. Article 1.07: A club which is not admitted to the competition shall be replaced by the next best-placed club in the top domestic league championship of the same national association, provided it fulfils the admission criteria. In this case, the access list for the UEFA Club Competitions (Annex Ia) will be adjusted accordingly Bilan v Queen of the South it is then Cheers for that. I sincerely hope you're right - though struggle to see how even UEFA could get around the above, especially after the fuss made in 2005 over Liverpool's entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I honestly cant see why UEFA have not yet just dropped the pretense that the CL is a honest competition and bring in the same big teams automaticly in every year. It sadden me's that the game I love is so corrupt. I just wish there is something we could do but sadly I dont think there is any. In a nutshell. The G14 disbanding last season was just another smokescreen in what is the smoke and mirrors of modern football. Porto although Uefa Cup and Champions League and Runners up, runners up and runners up winners a mere four and five years ago play in an association)Portuguese) who are regarded as on of the smaller associations therefore do not have the clout of the English, French(possibly), German, Italian and Spanish FAs who have Uefa sewn up between them. Another reason why the bigot borthers would jump south at the drop of a pin. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Liverpool anyone? (different circumstances altogether i know) These rules were brought in in 2005 though CCP - specifically to remove the loopholes which led to such a farcical situation over Liverpool and Everton's entries. So I think interista's right - and bloody well hope so too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 These rules were brought in in 2005 though CCP - specifically to remove the loopholes which led to such a farcical situation over Liverpool and Everton's entries. So I think interista's right - and bloody well hope so too! ah fair dues. Lets face it though, if UEFA want to get round them they will.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interista Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Cheers for that. I sincerely hope you're right - though struggle to see how even UEFA could get around the above, especially after the fuss made in 2005 over Liverpool's entry. The only way Milan could get into next season's CL would be if, say, Fiorentina were found guilty of some irregularity and kicked out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The only way Milan could get into next season's CL would be if, say, Fiorentina were found guilty of some irregularity and kicked out! Burlesconi will have his henchmen digging as we type. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 They might get CSKA Sofia's place as tey have been excluded too!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7437926.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Surely the precedent set 2 years ago when Juventus were denied entry was that the lower placed teams in the league all moved up a place so Levski should get in..... You'd think so NMH, but this is UEFA we are talking about here, the (joint) second most corrupt organisation in the world behind the Olympics Committee!!! Just shows how much they don?t want the smaller teams in this competition. Elitist in the extreme IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 These rules were brought in in 2005 though CCP - specifically to remove the loopholes which led to such a farcical situation over Liverpool and Everton's entries. So I think interista's right - and bloody well hope so too! Weren't Liverpool not entered under England in 05?? Meaning they wouldnt be kept away from the other English teams? Which of course they drew chelsea?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ross Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Burlesconi will have his henchmen digging as we type. John probably, just like he did when they were going to get relegated for match fixing then suddenly everything was fine and they got away with having a few points dropped.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Weren't Liverpool not entered under England in 05?? Meaning they wouldnt be kept away from the other English teams? Which of course they drew chelsea?? It was complicated though. UEFA, in their infinite wisdom, had failed to state in the regulations that in the event of the CL winners finishing outside their domestic league's qualifying berths, they should take the place of the side in the lowest of these positions (ie. Everton). Meanwhile, both the Toffees and the Premier League played a blinder, refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that Everton should forfeit their place, and seeking to embarrass UEFA should Liverpool win the trophy - which is precisely what happened. After all, there was no way on earth the European governing body were ever going to prevent the holders from defending their trophy - and in the aftermath, UEFA, at length, tightened the regulations. Bear in mind that there had already been a precedent: Real Madrid won the CL in 2000 but finished 5th, but the Spanish FA refused to nominate 4th placed Zaragoza as a CL entrant. Poor old Zaragoza never really recovered, were relegated a couple of years later, and have just gone down again - but what's astonishing is that UEFA didn't heed this example, and stipulate that the European Champions should always take precedence over the side finishing fourth. They have now though - and as interista's said, there's no way Milan, having finished outside the qualifying criteria, can get round it - no matter how much Berlusconi tries to bribe them with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Emil Kostadinov??? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7437926.stm Don't suppose he is related to our Kostadinov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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