Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Thank god the Young Team seem to have failed in importing the "German model" to Tynecastle. Occasionally the tedious drum beats and moronic tuneless chants ceased and you could hear a real football crowd reacting to what was happening on the pitch - appreciation for the good things, groans at the bad. Otherwise the exhibitionists just went on and on with their tedious displays. I doubt they represented more than 5% of the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Thank got the Young Team seem to have failed in importing the "German model" to Tynecastle. Occasionally the tedious drum beats and moronic tuneless chants ceased and you could hear a real football crowd reacting to what was happening on the pitch - appreciation for the good things, groans at the bad. Otherwise the exhibitionists just went on and on with their tedious displays. I doubt they represented more than 5% of the crowd. Totally agree, sometimes the whole "ultra" thing is a bit shit. Detracts from a genuine atmosphere IMO. Have you noticed another thing Bayern have, it's the fans dressed in white and seated in such a way that they make the T-Mobile logo in the stand. There's something a bit wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Atmosphere you hear on the telly depends how mic'd up the crowd are. I wasn't impressed with the German host's audio, was quite low and not very dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Artificial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Atmosphere you hear on the telly depends how mic'd up the crowd are. I wasn't impressed with the German host's audio, was quite low and not very dynamic."Mic'd up"? And how can "audio" be "dynamic". Roaming mics to capture the best of the performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Jung Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Unnatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I was at a Bayern game three year ago. Was expecting a great atmosphere and it was a bit meh. The only folk making any noise were the ultra section behind the goals and as the op has said it's a bit tedious. It was against Hoffenheim, so I'm sure if it was a bigger game the atmosphere would have been better. No different to a game here. You just can't beat a whole stadium signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 "Mic'd up"? And how can "audio" be "dynamic". Roaming mics to capture the best of the performance? The microphones positioned around the stadium. Read about dynamic range here. BT and Sky in the UK have been broadcasting games with 5.1 surround sound so you really hear the stadium atmosphere. The German and Spanish football I watch on Sky and BT isn't usually broadcast in 5.1 because the host TV station didn't do it. Just saying the atmosphere you hear on the TV isn't always an accurate representation of the atmosphere you hear in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSTR Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 The microphones positioned around the stadium. Read about dynamic range here. BT and Sky in the UK have been broadcasting games with 5.1 surround sound so you really hear the stadium atmosphere. The German and Spanish football I watch on Sky and BT isn't usually broadcast in 5.1 because the host TV station didn't do it. Just saying the atmosphere you hear on the TV isn't always an accurate representation of the atmosphere you hear in the stadium. Thanks for the lesson. I have experienced the "German model" in person quite a few times and tonight the TV presentation seemed a pretty accurate reflection of reality. Two or three thousand in even a 60,000 crowd can dominate in terms of noise if sufficiently organised. I find that sort of orchestrated atmosphere a bit depressing, and headache inducing. However "dynamic" the mic's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Thanks for the lesson. I have experienced the "German model" in person quite a few times and tonight the TV presentation seemed a pretty accurate reflection of reality. Two or three thousand in even a 60,000 crowd can dominate in terms of noise if sufficiently organised. I find that sort of orchestrated atmosphere a bit depressing, and headache inducing. However "dynamic" the mic's are. Curry wurst and gluhwein add to the occassion though imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Curry wurst and gluhwein add to the occassion though imo. Is that because the other 50 odd thousand can then fart in time with the drumbeat, or have I not quite got to grips with this whole ultras pish stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Is that because the other 50 odd thousand can then fart in time with the drumbeat, or have I not quite got to grips with this whole ultras pish stuff. We'll make an ultra out of you yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy-y Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I was at the 5-1 Bayern v Wolfsburg game and the atmosphere was incredible. First time I've had the hairs on my neck stand up not involving Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Having been a season ticket holder at Tynecastle for the vast majority of the last 20 years and had the opportunity to catch a few continental matches in that time, I would say that Hearts fans complaining the atmosphere tonight is 'fake' or 'unnatural' are like blind men complaining about the problems that come with sight. This 'model' is present in every country in Europe, at virtually every club, but we they all have an 'unnatural' atmosphere while the silence we have 95% of the time is original in some way? Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 People who'd prefer a morgue like Tynecastle rather than people making a bit of a racket in support of their side. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Having been a season ticket holder at Tynecastle for the vast majority of the last 20 years and had the opportunity to catch a few continental matches in that time, I would say that Hearts fans complaining the atmosphere tonight is 'fake' or 'unnatural' are like blind men complaining about the problems that come with sight. This 'model' is present in every country in Europe, at virtually every club, but we they all have an 'unnatural' atmosphere while the silence we have 95% of the time is original in some way? Nonsense. I didn't want to give this thread any breath but you've summed it up perfectly. I can only think the op and his advocaters are either at it, or on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Curry wurst and gluhwein add to the occassion though imo. I'll give you the curry wurst but gluhwein....nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainy Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Anything is better than a home game at tynecastle these days. Theres not even a fake atmosphere like last night nothing. You can hear the players talking to each other its pretty tragic given its nearly full every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 People who'd prefer a morgue like Tynecastle rather than people making a bit of a racket in support of their side. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. This! Bundesliga atmosphere is brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Bayern atmosphere doesn't reflect true German atmosphere. Just like Old Trafford or the Emirates doesn't reflect the entire English game. Bayern have all the cash, and subsequently have a lot of plastic fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 People who'd prefer a morgue like Tynecastle rather than people making a bit of a racket in support of their side. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. You are of course correct I do though hate all that ooooooo, oooooo, ooooooo that is prevalent these days. Does my f****** nut in. Palace are the worst I've heard in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 This! Bundesliga atmosphere is brilliant. Chatted to some St Pauli fans from Hamburg on train on their way to Celtic Park on Saturday they were saying they went to Tottenham last year and atmosphere was shit. I had to tell them not to expect anything better from Celtic fans. They were a bit surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Bayern atmosphere doesn't reflect true German atmosphere. Just like Old Trafford or the Emirates doesn't reflect the entire English game. Bayern have all the cash, and subsequently have a lot of plastic fans. Who does reflect the English game best, do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 My son and I intend to go to a Dortmund game early next year. The choice was mostly down to atmosphere. Love a stadium that's bouncing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Who does reflect the English game best, do you think? Englands a funny one to be honest. Since the introduction of all seater stadiums the atmosphere at games seems to have gone a lot flatter. Prices don't exactly help either. I don't think nowadays in England there is a 'typical English atmosphere'. Clubs like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and others who have large fanbases but play in lower divisions can generate great atmospheres. Of course, Crystal Palace are a stand out in the BPL for an ultra like atmosphere, something quite unique at that level. But a lot of clubs in the lower and non league divisions have tried to do similar things. I don't think there is a typical English atmosphere, and I don't think it'd be fair to diss a lot of clubs down south with good, loud, passionate supports, just cos Chelsea and Arsenal fans barely sing. Scotland is the same. We know just how great an atmosphere Tynecastle can be, but it's not a true reflection of support in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Englands a funny one to be honest. Since the introduction of all seater stadiums the atmosphere at games seems to have gone a lot flatter. Prices don't exactly help either. I don't think nowadays in England there is a 'typical English atmosphere'. Clubs like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and others who have large fanbases but play in lower divisions can generate great atmospheres. Of course, Crystal Palace are a stand out in the BPL for an ultra like atmosphere, something quite unique at that level. But a lot of clubs in the lower and non league divisions have tried to do similar things. I don't think there is a typical English atmosphere, and I don't think it'd be fair to diss a lot of clubs down south with good, loud, passionate supports, just cos Chelsea and Arsenal fans barely sing. Scotland is the same. We know just how great an atmosphere Tynecastle can be, but it's not a true reflection of support in Scotland. Aye, all good points and sorry I didn;t mean to put you on the spot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dia Liom Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Having been a season ticket holder at Tynecastle for the vast majority of the last 20 years and had the opportunity to catch a few continental matches in that time, I would say that Hearts fans complaining the atmosphere tonight is 'fake' or 'unnatural' are like blind men complaining about the problems that come with sight. This 'model' is present in every country in Europe, at virtually every club, but we they all have an 'unnatural' atmosphere while the silence we have 95% of the time is original in some way? Nonsense. I prefer Scottish (and British?) atmosphere as people only really start singing if something happens. I like to hear the individual shouts during a boring game, the sound of the crowd swelling after a shot or tackle, and even the sound of 10 away fans singing away and enjoying their day out. Whether monotonous chanting that seems to be the european tradition would appeal to me, I doubt it would. Although I've never been to a game in Germany or the like and am basing this on watching these games on tv. Maybe if I go I'll be converted to the gorgie ultras/young team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I prefer Scottish (and British?) atmosphere as people only really start singing if something happens. I like to hear the individual shouts during a boring game, the sound of the crowd swelling after a shot or tackle, and even the sound of 10 away fans singing away and enjoying their day out. Whether monotonous chanting that seems to be the european tradition would appeal to me, I doubt it would. Although I've never been to a game in Germany or the like and am basing this on watching these games on tv. Maybe if I go I'll be converted to the gorgie ultras/young team. Agree with that. There is also a spontaneous humour with British crowds that you can't get with non-stop ultra style chanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM1874 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Polish Atmosphere is.something to behold. 9k in a 44k stadium and noise was deafening. Always associate good crowds with German clubs as.Schalke were pretty something 11 years ago, cant remember Stuttgart as much but still quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Price Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The noise when Sevilla scored was incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John mcCartney Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 la liga is the one for mevicente calderon,mastia,ramon sanchezall em birds n allyou can take all the methane from your curry wursts and beer and the explosion will not match the level of energy and intensity at one of the above at a top fixture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Took in Stuttgart vs FC K?ln at the start of the season and the atmosphere pre-game there was better than any I've ever seen. Inside was also electric. Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I was at a game there. Brilliant atmosphere, singing the whole game. The stadium announce's the first names of the players and the crowd shout the surname... Number 9 luca Toniiiiiiiiiiii gets shouted bacjk. Beer served while we sat down and watched. Fantastin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 The much derided arsenal and their fans did the surname response thing a couple of seasons ago. contrived and cheesy so they stopped doing it. read the thread about great goal celebrations to understand what real atmosphere is. The bayern arsenal game was superb with great football but there would have been a very similar atmosphere for a boring goalless draw. real atmosphere is related in some way to the occasion and what is happening on the pitch. otherwise it's www or now wwe type atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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