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Elected new Labour leader.

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Deevers

NoW unelectable. Almost as bad a choice as Michael Foot. In fact thinking about it probably worse.

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aussieh

Good, I can now vote Labour again.

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Normthebarman

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer..

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Marvin

Cant wait to see MoS reaction tomorrow

Edited by Marvin

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Gerry Adams is delighted.

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Arnold Rothstein

Good, I can now vote Labour again.

 

Why?

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EH11_2NL

Another 2 or 3 terms in office for the tories then. At least.

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A Boy Named Crow

I would like to take my hat off to these Labour chaps who have chosen to return to the values and principles that motivated them to join the party in the first place...but then it seems it was the ?3 members wot won it, have Labour just been set up by Tory infiltrators???

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Why?

I know. Robbie the Pict is suddenly a unionist.

 

:cornette:

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The Mighty Thor

Give it 6 months and they'll be fighting like rats in a sack.

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Craigieboy

I hadn't voted recently.

 

I liked some of the SNP policies but I don't agree with their overall idea of separation.

 

Now I can confidently vote for Labour again.

 

The values of Corbyn are very similar to mine politically. His ideas on asylum are proper socialist values.

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JamboX2

Well I'm happy to have voted for Jeremy. His speech opens the door for the three wings of the party to come together. Unity is key here. His victory is so big he will be given time I think and I think he'll have a shadow chancellor and chief whip from the centre and the right of the party to force that unity on the different wings.

 

Shadow cabinet of all the talents is needed.

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aussieh

Why?

I said can, not will.

As for GK, haha.giruy, hope his election annoys you.

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Arnold Rothstein

I said can, not will.

As for GK, haha.giruy, hope his election annoys you.

 

You spout some pish. You could always have voted Labour.  

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aussieh

You spout some pish. You could always have voted Labour.

Red Tories no more, the good old commies are back.

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Geoff Kilpatrick

I said can, not will.

As for GK, haha.giruy, hope his election annoys you.

Au contraire, I want Corbyn to win the next election. As long as I've moved my pension fund first.

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kingantti1874

Cameron laughing, new or moderate labour voters will swing to the conservatives or the lib dems, labour will draw some of the left wing vote from the SNP up here hurting them both...

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pablo

Strange situation in so much as you can see the positives for Labour the Conservative party and the Liberals. Nice to get a bit of distinction between them again.

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Jam Tarts 1874

Great result for Corbyn with a massive 59% in the first round - a very clear mandate to stop trying to pander to the middle class greed merchants and get back to representing the ordinary, the disadvantated, the sick, the elderly and the poor.

 

He maybe won't win a general election, but he will help Labour represent the people that the party was set up to represent.  Austerity for the poor and state sponsored greed for the "I'm all right Jack" brigade is unacceptable. 

 

Power to the People!

 

:wolfiesmith:

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SwindonJambo

The Tories are now a stick on cert to win the next election I'm afraid :(. Which means, like Maggie 30 years ago, they can get their most extreme policies through. Maggie was never that good or popular. She stayed in power too long due to a weak and divided opposition and it took her own side to unseat her. The clock has just rolled back 30 years I'm afraid....

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Bridge of Djoum

I hadn't voted recently.

 

I liked some of the SNP policies but I don't agree with their overall idea of separation.

 

Now I can confidently vote for Labour again.

 

The values of Corbyn are very similar to mine politically. His ideas on asylum are proper socialist values.

Is calling people tramps up there with proper socialist values?

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jambo-fletch

One of the few politicians who I'd actually trust! Comes across as a compassionate and honest bloke, I like him.

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A Boy Named Crow

The Tories are now a stick on cert to win the next election I'm afraid :(. Which means, like Maggie 30 years ago, they can get their most extreme policies through. Maggie was never that good or popular. She stayed in power too long due to a weak and divided opposition and it took her own side to unseat her. The clock has just rolled back 30 years I'm afraid....

..which should only increase support for independence. It's a win/win then,we break away, and England gets more balance to its political landscape...if Labour don't just ditch him within a year

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Craigieboy

Is calling people tramps up there with proper socialist values?

Bit strange when folk recall old posts. Always find that a bit creepy.

 

It was clearly a bit hibs banter.

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Cade

This is a good thing. All the other candidates were only offering tory-lite and austerity-lite. How was that going to win an election? How were they supposed to be an effective opposition if all they did was agree with Tory policy or abstain?

 

At least now we have someone who will actively oppose austerity and offer an alternative. Someone who will expose the lie that There Is No Alternative.

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Bridge of Djoum

Bit strange when folk recall old posts. Always find that a bit creepy.

 

It was clearly a bit hibs banter.

In reference to a potential signing. now current player.

 

Shan banter?

 

I'm sure we ALL recall posts from yonder. 

Edited by BK 11215

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Geoff Kilpatrick

This is a good thing. All the other candidates were only offering tory-lite and austerity-lite. How was that going to win an election? How were they supposed to be an effective opposition if all they did was agree with Tory policy or abstain?

 

At least now we have someone who will actively oppose austerity and offer an alternative. Someone who will expose the lie that There Is No Alternative.

I look forward to "People's QE". It will be delightful when the MMT acolytes are proven completely wrong.

 

:jjyay:

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Craigieboy

In reference to a potential signing. now current player.

 

Shan banter?

 

I'm sure we ALL recall posts from yonder.

Righto m8.

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HaymarketJambo

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Yeah the Labour Party today have just handed the Conservatives the next election in 5 years time.

 

Seeing the latest polls in Scotland for Holyrood, knowing that Corbyn was going to be the Labour leader, the SNP are still away ahead in the polls.     

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SwindonJambo

..which should only increase support for independence. It's a win/win then,we break away, and England gets more balance to its political landscape...if Labour don't just ditch him within a year

That's if you live in Scotland and you're that way inclined. I tick neither, though I obviously don't get a vote up there. The Tories have proven to be much tougher about unseating an unwanted leader between elections than Labour, who usually wait for said leader to lose an election first. Maggie Thatcher and Ian Duncan Smith spring to mind.

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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

Is it just me or is there anyone else who has no clue what Geoff's on about? Gerry Adams, pensions, People's QE, MMT. I'm so lost. :lol:

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Governor Tarkin

Is it just me or is there anyone else who has no clue what Geoff's on about? Gerry Adams, pensions, People's QE, MMT. I'm so lost. :lol:

I get the feeling Geoff doesn't know what he's on about either, but as long as he's reeling them in he's cool with that.

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Is it just me or is there anyone else who has no clue what Geoff's on about? Gerry Adams, pensions, People's QE, MMT. I'm so lost. :lol:

Corbyn was a leading light in the Troops Out movement in the 80s. He also invited Adams to speak at the Commons during the Troubles.

 

"People's QE" is part of Corbyn's "alternative" to austerity. Basically it means the government prints money to fund its spending plans, part of a new economic theory called Modern Monetary Theory.

 

Hope this helps.

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3fingersreid

..which should only increase support for independence. It's a win/win then,we break away, and England gets more balance to its political landscape...if Labour don't just ditch him within a year

Not quite how I see it more like SNP will lose votes back to labour but more crucially the party of the Union will be with all probability in power for another 5 years after the next election and there is ZERO chance they'll allow another referendum

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3fingersreid

Corbyn was a leading light in the Troops Out movement in the 80s. He also invited Adams to speak at the Commons during the Troubles.

 

"People's QE" is part of Corbyn's "alternative" to austerity. Basically it means the government prints money to fund its spending plans, part of a new economic theory called Modern Monetary Theory.

 

Hope this helps.

Don't always agree with GK but he's bang on the button this time , I definetly wanted a swing to the left but for me it's too far I'm afraid

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Adam Murray

Hearty congratulations from both Gerry and Martin on twitter

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SwindonJambo

Not quite how I see it more like SNP will lose votes back to labour but more crucially the party of the Union will be with all probability in power for another 5 years after the next election and there is ZERO chance they'll allow another referendum

So that means a virtually guaranteed 10 years of Tory Government as from now. Labour will not unseat Corbyn mid term if he proves to be a dud. And he won't resign either - he's far too passionate. He'll also be 71 at the next election. I realise he has a large support but nowhere near enough to win an election and his policies will put off Labour's more moderate and marginal supporters, delivering a comfortable win for the Tories in 2020, led by either Giddy George or Boris. :(

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Deevers

Is il that not something we have been conditioned to think , labour was miles ahead of the Tory part up until the Falklands war http://www.redpepper.org.uk/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/

 

I have no doubt that this will lead to a huge amount of infighting inside Labour. It most certainly brings down the curtain on "New Labour".

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SwindonJambo

I have no doubt that this will lead to a huge amount of infighting inside Labour. It most certainly brings down the curtain on "New Labour".

I agree. Very well and simply put.

 

Here's his life story from the BBC website. Plenty of dirt for the Press to dig out and highlight in the run up to an election.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34184265

Edited by SwindonJambo

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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

Corbyn was a leading light in the Troops Out movement in the 80s. He also invited Adams to speak at the Commons during the Troubles.

 

"People's QE" is part of Corbyn's "alternative" to austerity. Basically it means the government prints money to fund its spending plans, part of a new economic theory called Modern Monetary Theory.

 

Hope this helps.

Very much so.

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A Boy Named Crow

That's if you live in Scotland and you're that way inclined. I tick neither, though I obviously don't get a vote up there. The Tories have proven to be much tougher about unseating an unwanted leader between elections than Labour, who usually wait for said leader to lose an election first. Maggie Thatcher and Ian Duncan Smith spring to mind.

I'm not a Socialist,and Im booked up to emigrate next year, but I still think Scotland would do better on its own, and that for democracy to work you need balance and opposition.

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JyTees

Win win for me. No chance of them ever getting into power with him at the healm. And no chance the Nats will have the same support up here. The socialist nationalists will be leaving in their droves.

 

Three cheers for Jeremy! The death knell of the Labour party.

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Victorian

He'll have to trade off some of his more unrealistic policies to stand a chance of staying in the leadership and to appeal to the electorate. But he stands a chance of being very popular because of his style. He's quite far removed from the image obsessed, PR driven, say whatever it takes to get elected, never answer a straight question, robotic politician that many people despise. He's honest and principled. It's about time a popular party put principles, beliefs and policies first and the prospects of election second. People are sick of politicians putting the cart before the horse.

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JamboX2

There's a school of thought he will lead the party and change it over the next two to three years. Rule changes, new selection processes, opening up the centralised structure Blair built up. Bleed new shadow cabinet ministers in, many on the left. Then before the election resign for a younger and more electable member of his team.

 

Only a theory mind but not far off.

 

I also think the age thing is a big deal. We've had Prime Ministers in the past who were all around 50-60 odd. Not a big thing to me.

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djf

Sure people far smarter than I will analyse the next 5 years to death but there's so many reasons why things won't be as simple as some on this thread are making out. The Tories have a divisive referendum to navigate followed by a likely bitter leadership campaign which will be won by Osbourne who is a far easier target than Cameron. They'll also have significant numbers demanding a further drive to the right through complacency towards a divided left.

 

Can Corbyn win a UK general election? Probably not. Can he impact the now entrenched supposed centre of UK politics that the Tories have done so well to present? Definitely.

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