Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This trend has been growing in European football and by the sounds of things Villa's fans are going to produce a banner to that effect at Leicester next weekend. Is it something we should do? I wouldn't object at all tbh. Link to post Share on other sites
FraMcCa Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't understand why anyone would object, especially after the photos in the papers this morning. We need to get the message out to our government by whatever means possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Tasavallan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. Let them stay in Parkhead. Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan Jarman Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) All for it. Maybe we can get Rudi back to hold it up. Edited September 3, 2015 by Ryan Jarman Link to post Share on other sites
Homme Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes i would. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. Let them stay in Parkhead. It's not just Celtic though is it? Loads of clubs are getting involved Link to post Share on other sites
chuck677 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think we should keep politics out of football. Do we need to come up with a list of those who are and are not welcome at our club? If you want to do something political organise a rally, protest, march whatever somewhere else. In the city or Holyrood or wherever. Link to post Share on other sites
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Scotland v Germany would be a good platform to get the message across . Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_R Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Wouldn't object but wouldn't support it either. (not that i disagree with the sentiment) but football grounds are for supporting football clubs. Just my opinion, not interested in getting into an argument with anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think we should keep politics out of football. Do we need to come up with a list of those who are and are not welcome at our club? If you want to do something political organise a rally, protest, march whatever somewhere else. In the city or Holyrood or wherever. Fair comment. Link to post Share on other sites
2205ian Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think we should keep politics out of football. Do we need to come up with a list of those who are and are not welcome at our club? If you want to do something political organise a rally, protest, march whatever somewhere else. In the city or Holyrood or wherever. Good post Chuck Link to post Share on other sites
loveofthegame Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No, keep politics out of football. Link to post Share on other sites
Deevers Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Understand the laudable thoughts behind this idea, however, I'm firmly of the view that politics are far better kept well away from football. Link to post Share on other sites
FORTHCLYDE Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Guy on Jeremy Vine show today said he would put up a tent in his garden for a family of refugees and pay for their education and health care. Why don't you do that? I say keep politics out of football. Link to post Share on other sites
Marooned In Oz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Treating people like people transcends politics for me. Yes, I would support such a banner. Link to post Share on other sites
Prince Buaben Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Wouldn't object but wouldn't support it either. (not that i disagree with the sentiment) but football grounds are for supporting football clubs. Just my opinion, not interested in getting into an argument with anyone. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites
alicante jambo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Every year radio forth do a collection for kids at christmas.According to the stats 1 in 4 children in the edinburgh area live in poverty.Im one for getting the house in order first.politics and football better left alone. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Guy on Jeremy Vine show today said he would put up a tent in his garden for a family of refugees and pay for their education and health care. Why don't you do that? I say keep politics out of football. I don't have a tent or a garden, nor do I have much money to speak of. If I was a refugee coming here, I'd want to live with someone other than me tbh. Link to post Share on other sites
Fly the Saltire Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes we should have banners welcoming refugees at next home game particularly as we support Save the Children on our shirts . Nicola Sturgeon is 100% right as the UK takes in the lowest number of refugees and economic migrants per head of population than any other country in Europe despite what the right wing tabloid press might lead you to believe. Link to post Share on other sites
jambomjm74 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No to politics at football please... No to politics on a football forum... Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 No to politics at football please... No to politics on a football forum... It is relevant. This trend is spreading and I can see us getting asked to do it at some stage soon. Link to post Share on other sites
jambothommo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes we should have banners welcoming refugees at next home game particularly as we support Save the Children on our shirts . Nicola Sturgeon is 100% right as the UK takes in the lowest number of refugees and economic migrants per head of population than any other country in Europe despite what the right wing tabloid press might lead you to believe. This post is the one that makes me agree with keeping politics out of Tynecastle. I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 How do you keep politics out of Football ? History shows that it's not really posiblle . World war 1 saw footballers branded as cowards 1936 Nazi Germany used the Olympics only to be embarrassed by Jessie Owens . The two black US athletes doing the black power salute in 1968 . The boycott of South African in sport . The West and East have always used big sporting events as a show of its prowess more so the U.S. And the USSR during the Cold War even destroying sports people's lives . Sport is intertwined with politics . Link to post Share on other sites
Deevers Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The partisan politicking started and I can see this thread ending badly. Link to post Share on other sites
Dallas Green Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
TriggersBroom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Treating people like people transcends politics for me. Yes, I would support such a banner. This. Well said. Treating people like people shouldn't be political. Link to post Share on other sites
Diego10 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgie_Rules Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Treating people like people transcends politics for me. Yes, I would support such a banner. This Link to post Share on other sites
munki boy Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Not for me I'm afraid ..It would make us look too much like Sellick..No place for politics in sport Also we should be looking after our own folk first..and not some other countries...Just my two bobs worth Link to post Share on other sites
punkrockcroc Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No, Nicola Sturgeon spoke for the country today, leave politics to the politicians. Link to post Share on other sites
munki boy Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Every year radio forth do a collection for kids at christmas.According to the stats 1 in 4 children in the edinburgh area live in poverty.Im one for getting the house in order first.politics and football better left alone. This Link to post Share on other sites
pablo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes we should have banners welcoming refugees at next home game particularly as we support Save the Children on our shirts . Nicola Sturgeon is 100% right as the UK takes in the lowest number of refugees and economic migrants per head of population than any other country in Europe despite what the right wing tabloid press might lead you to believe. What could be quite a powerful message of solidarity could easily be high jacked by narrow minded parochial bollocks, such as the above. Shame. as the idea has potential. Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't think we have enough room for them with the amount of season tickets we have sold... Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 This was at Dortmund German clubs are all over this Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_R Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't think we have enough room for them with the amount of season tickets we have sold... Link to post Share on other sites
robroy1874 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No, keep politics out of football. Agree Link to post Share on other sites
Fort Vallance Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. Find some other way to campaign to the government if you feel strongly enough. Everything that has got political involvement has usually resulted in division. How far do you take it ? A banner every time something upsets somebody. I agree it's a serious issue and needs action but keep it out of sport. Link to post Share on other sites
andy-y Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Something needs to be done to help these people but something also has to be done about Scotland's poverty before we can afford to help refugees. Catch 22 Link to post Share on other sites
Pans Jambo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes we should Link to post Share on other sites
Fly the Saltire Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What do you think Save the Children means on our shirts? Bayern to host training camps at the club for refugees, also offering German classes, meals and more. https://twitter.com/FCBayern/status/639405522526056448 Link to post Share on other sites
OmiyaHearts Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
henry Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No I wouldn't support it. Link to post Share on other sites
JohnB Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think we should keep politics out of football. Do we need to come up with a list of those who are and are not welcome at our club? If you want to do something political organise a rally, protest, march whatever somewhere else. In the city or Holyrood or wherever. With respect, I would say that this grassroots movement isn't really about politics and is in fact the antithesis of it. This is more about the separation of politics and humanity. I fully support the idea of banners and hope there will be some at any match but at the Germany match in particular. Frans de Waal, a biologist, argues in The Age of Empathy (2008) that humans are human because we are empathetic. De Waal writes, "Empathy is part of the survival package, and human society depends on it as much as many other animal societies do." Working against claims by economists and biologists that humans are essentially self-interested, de Waal demonstrates that, like primates, elephants and dolphins, we have an instinct for cooperation rooted in our ability to identify with the suffering of others. Link to post Share on other sites
Teuchterjambo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 How do you keep politics out of Football ? History shows that it's not really posiblle . World war 1 saw footballers branded as cowards 1936 Nazi Germany used the Olympics only to be embarrassed by Jessie Owens . The two black US athletes doing the black power salute in 1968 . The boycott of South African in sport . The West and East have always used big sporting events as a show of its prowess more so the U.S. And the USSR during the Cold War even destroying sports people's lives . Sport is intertwined with politics . Just because it happens (for all the wrong reasons as your post shows) doesn't mean that a football match is the place to highlight what is a real issue ... but not directly an issue to football. At what stage does it become more important to have a political banner than one supporting your team ? Protest and showing support is laudible for many causes but without a direct link to football they should be left in the political arena. Link to post Share on other sites
tartofmidlothian Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This. Well said. Treating people like people shouldn't be political. FFS. Agreeing with Trigger twice in two days. Helping people falls under 'human decency' rather than 'politics' for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Some people are saying no because it will make us look like Celtic. That's a pretty tragic excuse and makes you sound more like a Celtic fan than anybody else. Link to post Share on other sites
amadjambo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but there is an ongoing humanitarian crisis that needs to be urgently dealt with. Anything that raises attention and focus on the issues at hand and increases pressure on our government to act has got to be positive and encouraged. Link to post Share on other sites
PresidentGrant Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Something needs to be done to help these people but something also has to be done about Scotland's poverty before we can afford to help refugees. Catch 22 Why? Can we only tackle one issue at a time? Link to post Share on other sites
henry Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Who's causing all these poor people to cross the med? We need to sort that out. This has nothing to do with Hearts and we shouldn't bring it to Tynecastle Link to post Share on other sites
Jammy T Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Leave politics out of football. All a bit old firm to be honest The cause is great but the message is political. Best left alone. Hang a banner from your house if you feel that strongly about it. Link to post Share on other sites
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