jambo in iraq Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 reported in Hibsman that he is training with Sevco. No danger Hearts should let them off with anything under the 200K development fee. They have f*cked us year after year with pitiful transfer fees and in the case of Lee Wallace and Templeton took advantage of our predicament to get players on the cheap. Hope Auntie Ann takes them for every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Sow makes it 10 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 reported in Hibsman that he is training with Sevco. No danger Hearts should let them off with anything under the 200K development fee. They have f*cked us year after year with pitiful transfer fees and in the case of Lee Wallace and Templeton took advantage of our predicament to get players on the cheap. Hope Auntie Ann takes them for every penny. Exactly this - hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 reported in Hibsman that he is training with Sevco. No danger Hearts should let them off with anything under the 200K development fee. They have f*cked us year after year with pitiful transfer fees and in the case of Lee Wallace and Templeton took advantage of our predicament to get players on the cheap. Hope Auntie Ann takes them for every penny. Queen Ann should tell them to "Ram it" even if it means selling to hibs, at least with the wee team he'd be guaranteed first team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 SFA set precedence already with the tribunal on Telfer's sevco to Dundee United, so it will be easy money for Hearts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 reported in Hibsman that he is training with Sevco. No danger Hearts should let them off with anything under the 200K development fee. They have f*cked us year after year with pitiful transfer fees and in the case of Lee Wallace and Templeton took advantage of our predicament to get players on the cheap. Hope Auntie Ann takes them for every penny. Templeton was forced out the door. The fact he's a rangers fan helped a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Templeton was forced out the door. The fact he's a rangers fan helped a lot as may well be, but it was no coincidence that Rangers were waiting there for him at the first chance. Probably good value in hindsight but at the time it was undervalued.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 SFA set precedence already with the tribunal on Telfer's sevco to Dundee United, so it will be easy money for Hearts.. Sorry, not the way it works. Rangers receive maximum development fees, but pay out minimum development fees, I'm sure that will be in the ultra fine print of the SFA rules on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 They paid us too much for Templeton imo as he turned out to be Archie White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Templeton was forced out the door. The fact he's a rangers fan helped a lot Don't think Templeton was a Rangers fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Le Clos Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Does anyone know if we actually offered him any sort of new deal? I thought development fees were only applicable if the club who developed the player offered a new deal on equal or better terms? Or is this not the case if the player moves to a club in the same country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Don't think Templeton was a Rangers fan IIRC it is his dad who is big Rangers fan from what I gathered. Could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Templeton was forced out the door. The fact he's a rangers fan helped a lot Templeton said a number of times he was a Celtic fan despite his middle name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Did Robbie not say recently that we will not be asking for silly money for him, regarding the development fee. Probably why the the dead sevco zombies now want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 IIRC it is his dad who is big Rangers fan from what I gathered. Could be wrong though. Think you are right,sure I seen somewhere he supported Celtic to spite his dad, who was absent through him growing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Does anyone know if we actually offered him any sort of new deal? I thought development fees were only applicable if the club who developed the player offered a new deal on equal or better terms? Or is this not the case if the player moves to a club in the same country? Craig or Robbie confirmed a compo payment would be necessary recently. Said they would not be asking for unrealistic money though, or words to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Did Robbie not say recently that we will not be asking for silly money for him, regarding the development fee. Probably why the the dead sevco zombies now want him. Hopefully Robbie was "trolling" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Always disappointed to see players end up at the scum but could be a good move for him. Hope hes not wasted like Templeton. Really rate him and hope he does well as long as its not against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Say it ain't so... Disappointing if correct - anyone but that shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC86 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Does anyone know if we actually offered him any sort of new deal? I thought development fees were only applicable if the club who developed the player offered a new deal on equal or better terms? Or is this not the case if the player moves to a club in the same country? He was offered a deal at the same time as the other youngsters I believe earlier last season. We are 100% due a development fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adeb74 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rankers don't have 200 quid never mind 200k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Say it ain't so... Disappointing if correct - anyone but that shower.I don't know..it's mildly amusing they are picking up our cast offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think Henry Templeton was a Celtic fan but called his son 'Cooper' because his admiration for the former Rangers winger transcended Old Firm rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think Henry Templeton was a Celtic fan but called his son 'Cooper' because his admiration for the former Rangers winger transcended Old Firm rivalry. Most of his family are Celtic fans. His cousin Nicky is and according to him, David was always a Celtic supporter but he used to get ripped for his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't know..it's mildly amusing they are picking up our cast offs. In a way, but - in my opinion - Holt is a very good player, so don't want to see him turning out for the Beastly Hun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rankers don't have 200 quid never mind 200k. Paid ?200k for Rob Kiernan to Wigan. Can't see us asking more than 50k nominal amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc22 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rangers paying for one of our rejects demonstrates just how far they have fallen behind us. Holt is a decent player and could prove to be a good signing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Paid ?200k for Rob Kiernan to Wigan. Can't see us asking more than 50k nominal amount. if we get less than 250k, the whole premiss that budge/levein/neilson say their working to is along side any bullshit king has said or even craig whyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 if we get less than 250k, the whole premiss that budge/levein/neilson say their working to is along side any bullshit king has said or even craig whyte. Eh????????? How's that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rangers got (I think) ?210k for Telfer. To ask for ?250k for a much more experienced player is not IMO unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Eh????????? How's that then? well it would go along the lines of developing and bringing through players to sell on for the benefit of the club. we've already gave away brad,robinson,carrick for feck all I would think accepting peanuts for holt(rated the best prospect in Scotland just over a year ago) is well up there with the lying king, considering we are well entitled to the going rate for developing him which was pretty much set with telfers move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Did Robbie not say recently that we will not be asking for silly money for him, regarding the development fee. Probably why the the dead sevco zombies now want him. Yes, here's the link. http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2015/06/30/hearts-boss-robbie-neilson-open-to-jason-holt-offers-amid-rangers-link/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 well it would go along the lines of developing and bringing through players to sell on for the benefit of the club. we've already gave away brad,robinson,carrick for feck all I would think accepting peanuts for holt(rated the best prospect in Scotland just over a year ago) is well up there with the lying king, considering we are well entitled to the going rate for developing him which was pretty much set with telfers move Fair points mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rangers got (I think) ?210k for Telfer. To ask for ?250k for a much more experienced player is not IMO unrealistic.Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 if we get less than 250k, the whole premiss that budge/levein/neilson say their working to is along side any bullshit king has said or even craig whyte. I think to demonstrate reasonable behaviour would be in order Separate ourselves form the others We don't really want or need him and I'd rather we had a reputation amongst players of good, balanced conduct- we did it for Keatings let Holt pursue his career wherever he wants and not stand in his way- it may make us more appealing to youngsters coming to us in future And at the end of the day 100k is no great shakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I suspect that Levein and Neilson will not want to stand in Holt's way and leave him rotting because teams are put off by the fee. I imagine they will ask for closer to 100k-ish. Did someone not suggest we were looking at Rangers for youth players? All just guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 well it would go along the lines of developing and bringing through players to sell on for the benefit of the club. we've already gave away brad,robinson,carrick for feck all I would think accepting peanuts for holt(rated the best prospect in Scotland just over a year ago) is well up there with the lying king, considering we are well entitled to the going rate for developing him which was pretty much set with telfers move Yes but we made the decision and allowed these players to go without development fees to free up the wages, they have been deemed not good enough by our management team. letting them move on for free was in everyones interest. It may be that hearts will play hard ball with rankers and go to tribunal but just think what RN's been saying in press allied to them being skint will equal small fee. Not sure being pragmatic puts our board on same level with Dave King ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 well it would go along the lines of developing and bringing through players to sell on for the benefit of the club. we've already gave away brad,robinson,carrick for feck all I would think accepting peanuts for holt(rated the best prospect in Scotland just over a year ago) is well up there with the lying king, considering we are well entitled to the going rate for developing him which was pretty much set with telfers move Your post is mental on so many levels. Brad wanted first team football and was out of contract. He'd have been about 4th choice and was worth zero. Robinson was garbage and would have been about 6th choice midfielder. He was worth zero. Carrick was never going to get a game because we have many better players and he was worth zero, hence why we allowed him to leave. Who exactly rated Holt as the best prospect in Scotland a year ago? He had plenty of chances in the first team and other than a decent strike, he offered little. He can't tackle, he's not fast, he's not creative and he struggles to get into games. He wasn't even consistently good enough to play for Hearts in the Championship. He was offered a deal but as he wanted first team football, he went elsewhere. Any transfer fee will be decided by tribunal. Robbie said that Hearts wouldn't be difficult to deal with as they like and respect Jason Holt. They will allow him to go as it's what he wants and he's been with Hearts for a long time and served the club to the best of his limited ability. What does any of that have in common with "bullshit king has said or even craig whyte?" To sell players on for a profit that benefits the club, they have to be good and larger teams have to want to buy them. No larger teams have wanted to buy any of these guys except possibly Rangers and Holt. The other guys have gone to smaller clubs where they have more chance of playing. As for Holt, he wasn't good enough for Hearts. If Rangers want to pay anything for him then the 112k or whatever it was we were willing to accept is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I dont expect us to negotiate hard on this, i'll take a guess at ?50k Shame it didnt really work out for him with us, hope he has a successful season then gets a move down England next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Your post is mental on so many levels. Brad wanted first team football and was out of contract. He'd have been about 4th choice and was worth zero. Robinson was garbage and would have been about 6th choice midfielder. He was worth zero. Carrick was never going to get a game because we have many better players and he was worth zero, hence why we allowed him to leave. Who exactly rated Holt as the best prospect in Scotland a year ago? He had plenty of chances in the first team and other than a decent strike, he offered little. He can't tackle, he's not fast, he's not creative and he struggles to get into games. He wasn't even consistently good enough to play for Hearts in the Championship. He was offered a deal but as he wanted first team football, he went elsewhere. Any transfer fee will be decided by tribunal. Robbie said that Hearts wouldn't be difficult to deal with as they like and respect Jason Holt. They will allow him to go as it's what he wants and he's been with Hearts for a long time and served the club to the best of his limited ability. What does any of that have in common with "bullshit king has said or even craig whyte?" To sell players on for a profit that benefits the club, they have to be good and larger teams have to want to buy them. No larger teams have wanted to buy any of these guys except possibly Rangers and Holt. The other guys have gone to smaller clubs where they have more chance of playing. As for Holt, he wasn't good enough for Hearts. If Rangers want to pay anything for him then the 112k or whatever it was we were willing to accept is fine with me. you win, we will just develop players for the benefit of our opponents, killie st.j sevco,hibs etc at a cost and ask for nothing back despite being entitled. that's not what the club has been saying. up there with sevcos war chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollyWolly Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Your post is mental on so many levels. Brad wanted first team football and was out of contract. He'd have been about 4th choice and was worth zero. Robinson was garbage and would have been about 6th choice midfielder. He was worth zero. Carrick was never going to get a game because we have many better players and he was worth zero, hence why we allowed him to leave. Who exactly rated Holt as the best prospect in Scotland a year ago? He had plenty of chances in the first team and other than a decent strike, he offered little. He can't tackle, he's not fast, he's not creative and he struggles to get into games. He wasn't even consistently good enough to play for Hearts in the Championship. He was offered a deal but as he wanted first team football, he went elsewhere. Any transfer fee will be decided by tribunal. Robbie said that Hearts wouldn't be difficult to deal with as they like and respect Jason Holt. They will allow him to go as it's what he wants and he's been with Hearts for a long time and served the club to the best of his limited ability. What does any of that have in common with "bullshit king has said or even craig whyte?" To sell players on for a profit that benefits the club, they have to be good and larger teams have to want to buy them. No larger teams have wanted to buy any of these guys except possibly Rangers and Holt. The other guys have gone to smaller clubs where they have more chance of playing. As for Holt, he wasn't good enough for Hearts. If Rangers want to pay anything for him then the 112k or whatever it was we were willing to accept is fine with me. Agree with every word. Its not as if any of these guys leaving are leaving us as better players so its a bit morally bankrupt asking for development fees for players we didn't really develop very far, in fact they have ended up at lower levels for the most part. If we don't have any use for a player and he has a chance somewhere else, then FFS let him go without too much fuss and wish him well. That's what an honourable club would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Think because rangers are interested some think the development fee should be top end, if Holt was signing for ICT or Partick would we still be thinking 250k? Also John McGinn in same boat, st mirren want north of 200k for development so that's scared off every scottish club and the boys about to sign for Houston meaning st mirren get zero. No one with cash to burn is now interested in holt so best for all to come up with reasonable deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I dont expect us to negotiate hard on this, i'll take a guess at ?50k Shame it didnt really work out for him with us, hope he has a successful season then gets a move down England next summer Negotiating "hard" would be ?210k (that's what DU had to pay Rangers). ?100k would be more than fair IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 you win, we will just develop players for the benefit of our opponents, killie st.j sevco,hibs etc at a cost and ask for nothing back despite being entitled. that's not what the club has been saying. up there with sevcos war chest So you think we should keep every player who comes through our youth system but clearly isn't good enough for the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 you win, we will just develop players for the benefit of our opponents, killie st.j sevco,hibs etc at a cost and ask for nothing back despite being entitled. that's not what the club has been saying. up there with sevcos war chest Or we develop players but realise that they have got to a level that is just below what our management deem as acceptable and are not going to make it any further at hearts. Do we hold on to said players and stall their careers indefinitely looking for development fees or let them go, free up the wagesand wish them all the best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Agree with every word. Its not as if any of these guys leaving are leaving us as better players so its a bit morally bankrupt asking for development fees for players we didn't really develop very far, in fact they have ended up at lower levels for the most part. If we don't have any use for a player and he has a chance somewhere else, then FFS let him go without too much fuss and wish him well. That's what an honourable club would do. Sorry bud but that is utter nonsense! As it happens Brad, Carrick and Robinson have been "snapped up" by top league clubs, something we weren't last season. You could say Hearts acted professionally by not standing in the way of the players finding new clubs, but we're still entitled to compensation, as per the rules if a contract was offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishawjambo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think Henry Templeton was a Celtic fan but called his son 'Cooper' because his admiration for the former Rangers winger transcended Old Firm rivalry. Henry's a rangers fan David's a celtic fan his mums family are Celtic fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sorry bud but that is utter nonsense! As it happens Brad, Carrick and Robinson have been "snapped up" by top league clubs, something we weren't last season. We are now though. They weren't good enough for us in the Championship so why on earth would they be good enough in the Premiership? They've moved to smaller clubs where they might have more chance of first team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sorry bud but that is utter nonsense! As it happens Brad, Carrick and Robinson have been "snapped up" by top league clubs, something we weren't last season. You could say Hearts acted professionally by not standing in the way of the players finding new clubs, but we're still entitled to compensation, as per the rules if a contract was offered. I get what you are saying mate but with such a lack of cash in the scottish game think we did well by these guys by allowing them to move on If we had played hard ball asking for cash they may well be still sitting about looking for clubs and/or on a wage with us. Serious question, and I know the league positions will be thrown at me, but do you think these guys careers have taken a turn for the better or worse leaving hearts to join killie, st j etc?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Squad player at best for Rangers. Having said that people have said before a different less physical, more ball playing system might finally suit him so who knows, maybe he'll do alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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