alwaysthereinspirit Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 or did he just lose his balance and was actually saved from falling and getting seriously hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR INCREDIBLE Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 he was On the BBC report he is not one of the players that was booked which if correct is unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby8 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 BT Sport commentators reported at the time that he was booked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Defo got booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Had a bet on over 55 booking points. I would have been out by 5 anyway but only showed up as 2 bookings a piece on everything i looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 SPFL website does not show Miller as being booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Given the number of people who say that he was booked and the number who say he wasn't, the only thing I think can have happened is that the universe split into two alternative paths when he scored the goal. This was in no doubt caused by the massive fabric of time and space-ripping collective emotion of pain generated by the Hibs support when the goal was scored. The two resultant universes are obviously now existing side-by-side until the second game. He was booked and he wasn't booked. We're all Schr?dinger's cat. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It said he was on the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Commentators said he had been but there was other goings on and replays at the time which meant there is no video evidence of said booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Commentators said he had been but there was other goings on and replays at the time which meant there is no video evidence of said booking. There was booing which I assumed was the booking.................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I noticed at quite afew English play off games that going into the crowd wasn't an automatic yellow. As long as refs are consistent I'd be happy with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It said he was on the tv. Unless the TV people are miked up to the referee and he verbally announces every booking/red card, then all the TV people can do is guess what's happened in any situation. Usually it's an obvious brandishing of a card to an individual player, but not always. The only person who knows for sure during the game is the referee, unless he goes out of his way to tell someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I noticed at quite afew English play off games that going into the crowd wasn't an automatic yellow. As long as refs are consistent I'd be happy with that Agreed, that's all most fans are asking for. There's far too much inconsistency with the over-celebration rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Unless the TV people are miked up to the referee and he verbally announces every booking/red card, then all the TV people can do is guess what's happened in any situation. Usually it's an obvious brandishing of a card to an individual player, but not always. The only person who knows for sure during the game is the referee, unless he goes out of his way to tell someone else. Eh? The commentators are at the game so would see the card being given even if the viewers at home didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiehmfc Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the rules should be relaxed on this, if you celebrate with your own fans like Miller then so what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the rules should be relaxed on this, if you celebrate with your own fans like Miller then so what The problem is referees picking and choosing when it is worthy of a yellow card and when it isn't. I think damn near everyone would agree with you that celebrating with your own fans shouldn't be a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Eh? The commentators are at the game so would see the card being given even if the viewers at home didn't There was a lot happening. People are fallible. None of the following reports have Miller being booked: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3090019/Rangers-2-0-Hibernian-Nicky-Clark-Kenny-Miller-home-strong-advantage.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32775770 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/338823/teams And no, I didn't cherry-pick these. They were the first three I could find that listed the bookings. So, if somebody actually did see the referee brandishing a card and a booking doesn't appear in his report then there is a problem. As it is, the SPFL say there was no booking in their official match report: http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSTR Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Had a bet on over 55 booking points. I would have been out by 5 anyway but only showed up as 2 bookings a piece on everything i looked at. 55 bookings is a lot mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 There was a lot happening. People are fallible. None of the following reports have Miller being booked: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3090019/Rangers-2-0-Hibernian-Nicky-Clark-Kenny-Miller-home-strong-advantage.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32775770 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/338823/teams And no, I didn't cherry-pick these. They were the first three I could find that listed the bookings. So, if somebody actually did see the referee brandishing a card and a booking doesn't appear in his report then there is a problem. As it is, the SPFL say there was no booking in their official match report: http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ The commentators at the game saw the yellow card, the crowd then booed it. The rest is just shoddy journalism. as you said though it will be in the referees report anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 There was a lot happening. People are fallible. None of the following reports have Miller being booked: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3090019/Rangers-2-0-Hibernian-Nicky-Clark-Kenny-Miller-home-strong-advantage.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32775770 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/338823/teams And no, I didn't cherry-pick these. They were the first three I could find that listed the bookings. So, if somebody actually did see the referee brandishing a card and a booking doesn't appear in his report then there is a problem. As it is, the SPFL say there was no booking in their official match report: http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ That's bizarre. I'm 100% certain I seen the ref booking him after the goal - I even discussed it with my mate at the time! And I only had three pints last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I've just asked the burd who sits next to me in work about it as she was at the game. Said he definitely got booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 55 bookings is a lot mate. It is but its 10 points a yellow 25 points a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It is but its 10 points a yellow 25 points a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yes, was booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 There was booing which I assumed was the booking.................................. I thought the booing was for Dylan McGeouch who was subbed on at the same time. Probably a mixture of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the rules should be relaxed on this, if you celebrate with your own fans like Miller then so what The rules are relaxed on this it is up to the ref to use his discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The rules are relaxed on this it is up to the ref to use his discretion. As in, if it is Scott Brown, it is allowed? Even to opposition fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacquijambo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the rules should be relaxed on this, if you celebrate with your own fans like Miller then so what Richie I agree celebrating with your own fans should not be a booking but when players jump hoardings to actually make contact with the fans, like Kenny Miller did last night, and then other fans surge forward it can become dangerous. Anyway why can't players just run to the edge of the pitch to celebrate without actually going into the fans? Love goal celebrations but unpredictable bookings during the season (some players get booked for their celebration others don't) can come back to haunt a player later in the season. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 As in, if it is Scott Brown, it is allowed? Even to opposition fans. Yes, but it is the clowns we have as refs that don't use their common sense and apply this to the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Got to agree there has to be one definitive rule on this and, like others, I believe it should be ok to celebrate with your own fans. I don't really give a toss if players score against Hearts and goad US a wee bit. What I did give a toss about during the run in was Vuckic and Cummings both leaving the field of play to "get it right up us" and not being booked, but only when using that as a yardstick against some of the bookings Hearts players received for celebrating with their own fans. Presumably it's all about crowd safety, so Keatings "high-5" with a fan at Livi against Vuckic showing us his name and a Hearts fan trying to get at him (incidentally, the only time I've ever seen someone react so badly/stupidly)...what's more deserving of a booking? Don't need to tell you which one was a booking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Here are the rules. Fifa's rules state that: While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive.Fifa directives also discourage the practice of choreographed celebrations when it results in excessive time-wasting and referees are instructed to intervene in such cases. Although it is not a cautionable offence in itself to leave the pitch to celebrate a goal, it is deemed essential that players return to the field as soon as possible. Interpretation is the name of the game, with referees expected to act in a "preventative mode" and to exercise "common-sense" in dealing with a goal celebration. Fifa rules state that a player must be cautioned when: In the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative derisory or inflammatory He climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored He removes his shirt over his head or covers his head with his shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 On a side note.. the utter ****** who wrote the match report in the Record made a point of saying that Miller ended up with the crowd because of his momentum. Which of course is unadulterated horseshit. The point was made in such a way that one can only assume he was trolling of some sort. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 On a side note.. the utter ****** who wrote the match report in the Record made a point of saying that Miller ended up with the crowd because of his momentum. Which of course is unadulterated horseshit. The point was made in such a way that one can only assume he was trolling of some sort. Bizarre. Lucky it wasnt Boyd who scored then. He'd have squashed thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Not booked according to the folk in charge http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ I thought he was as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Not booked according to the folk in charge http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ I thought he was as well To be fair these inconsistencies even themselves out over a season. Unless of course the player is one card away from being banned and the officials were pre warned in a newspaper article prior to the play-offs starting by a team manager. Paranoid? Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Here are the rules. Fifa's rules state that: While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive.Fifa directives also discourage the practice of choreographed celebrations when it results in excessive time-wasting and referees are instructed to intervene in such cases. Although it is not a cautionable offence in itself to leave the pitch to celebrate a goal, it is deemed essential that players return to the field as soon as possible. Interpretation is the name of the game, with referees expected to act in a "preventative mode" and to exercise "common-sense" in dealing with a goal celebration. Fifa rules state that a player must be cautioned when: In the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative derisory or inflammatory He climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored He removes his shirt over his head or covers his head with his shirt So, basically, the SFA are making it up as they go along. Who would have thought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 BBC match report now says he was booked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSTR Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I really wish we would do away with all Celebration rules. Stampys was the best also, I'm sure Foster was booked for jumping onto the fence at ER, before any of these rules were brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I never saw the game, but looked at a few sites, an sports apps, and no one lists Miller as being booked. Shiels and McGregor for Rangers, only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I really wish we would do away with all Celebration rules. Stampys was the best also, I'm sure Foster was booked for jumping onto the fence at ER, before any of these rules were brought in. Foster was booked, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I really wish we would do away with all Celebration rules. Stampys was the best also, I'm sure Foster was booked for jumping onto the fence at ER, before any of these rules were brought in. If I'd scored fosters goal I'd have vaulted the fence and been in with the crowd Worth a sending off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 On a side note.. the utter ****** who wrote the match report in the Record made a point of saying that Miller ended up with the crowd because of his momentum. Which of course is unadulterated horseshit. The point was made in such a way that one can only assume he was trolling of some sort. Bizarre. Tbf I would have used that excuse. The electronic score board was close to the pitch and he had to vault it to avoid clattering into it. It too early for me. I'm sticking up for a guy that has played for H1b5, Rangers, Celtic and Sevco. Naw he should have been taken to the centre circle and beheaded by Scott Brown who can do anything he wants and not get booked. sent by my phone using an enhanced Stephen Hawking like voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 He was booked then there was a close up of him shaking his head like he couldn't understand why he was booked. PS momentum my big hairy arse. He was standing still when he scored the goal, he then wheeled off, jumped the advertising board and ran into the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby8 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I've just asked the burd who sits next to me in work about it as she was at the game. Said he definitely got booked. What,................. a wee bird told you ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEHEART1874 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Even the stream from rangers TV showed it as a yellow card for Miller under the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 So, basically, the SFA are making it up as they go along. Who would have thought it? But, but, but they don't do pick & mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 So we have no definitive answer. Therefor may I suggest it was a booking for the TV but not one that will actually count against him as they reminded it after the game out of general niceness. Pick & Mix it's the way forward just ask the SPFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 What,................. a wee bird told you ? . She tweeted me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 There was a lot happening. People are fallible. None of the following reports have Miller being booked: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3090019/Rangers-2-0-Hibernian-Nicky-Clark-Kenny-Miller-home-strong-advantage.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32775770 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/338823/teams And no, I didn't cherry-pick these. They were the first three I could find that listed the bookings. So, if somebody actually did see the referee brandishing a card and a booking doesn't appear in his report then there is a problem. As it is, the SPFL say there was no booking in their official match report: http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/results/ it has him being booked on the spfl one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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