Marvin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Sorry if already posted, but just came across this story on the former Spurs and England legend. He is in a right mess and has been sectioned. Think Spurs should be commended for supporting him through his troubled times. http://home.bt.com/news/uknews/gascoigne-sectioned-after-binge-11363939344832 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Smashed off his tits on day 4. NAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Shame. I look forward to another thread of people on their high-horse about alcoholism. At least we won't get the Lawson debate where his violent and abusive character doesn't matter because he was a really good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Get well soon Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usf266r Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The boy was an arsehole when he was sober,so all this alcoholic reference is beside the point for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Shame. I look forward to another thread of people on their high-horse about alcoholism. At least we won't get the Lawson debate where his violent and abusive character doesn't matter because he was a really good player. Alcoholism is an illness and an incurable one at that it can be managed but never cured. It kills and ruined many a life and those around it. We are sometimes flippant with drink and it excess consumption most can handle it (it could end our lives through its excess) for some sadly it devastated their life. Paul is unfortunately another who will succum to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I don't think he'll ever kick it. Beyond help that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Alcoholism is an illness and an incurable one at that it can be managed but never cured. It kills and ruined many a life and those around it. We are sometimes flippant with drink and it excess consumption most can handle it (it could end our lives through its excess) for some sadly it devastated their life. Paul is unfortunately another who will succum to it. Is that true, it's incurable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Chae Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 DNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Too late for him now, but hopefully the legacy is a harsh reminder for the young athletes of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Some people can't or don't want to be helped. He is both ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's mentally ill and has been for some time. And he's an alcoholic. Its a toxic combination and I hope gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Lost cause I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Such a shame for him and all that love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddy1874 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's been on borrowed time for years and probably shouldn't still be with us. Sad to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Is that true, it's incurable? Yes, you can take drugs to suppress the craving, it's called Antabuse often used but in the end the desire for drink is always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wife beating alcoholic ringpiece of a man. No sympathy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1964m Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Some people can't or don't want to be helped. He is both ! spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchterjambo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Some of the stuff on here is pretty despicable , in all probability the man is close to death and people can't see past being vindictive and disparaging. He has done some pretty awful things in his life and he has also given pleasure to millions, he suffers from mental and alcoholic illness and still people want to berate him. It says more about these people than it does about Paul Gascoigne that they post their poison on the subject. They must lead such good lives to occupy their high moral ground and pronounce judgments on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 this is not a good picture http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5845268/Footie-legend-Paul-Gascoigne-taken-by-ambulance-after-back-drinking.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wife beating alcoholic ringpiece of a man. No sympathy here. Harsh imo The guy has probably had mental health problems dating back to before he signed for Rangers, but because how mental illness was seen it was never properly dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Some of the stuff on here is pretty despicable , in all probability the man is close to death and people can't see past being vindictive and disparaging. He has done some pretty awful things in his life and he has also given pleasure to millions, he suffers from mental and alcoholic illness and still people want to berate him. It says more about these people than it does about Paul Gascoigne that they post their poison on the subject. They must lead such good lives to occupy their high moral ground and pronounce judgments on others. From my own personal experience TJ, "alcoholism" is still looked down upon by a lot of people. I will admit that i also used to look down at alcoholics...... but now my brother and best mate has been alcoholic for 3 years. It is harrowing and brutal stuff. I would not wish alcoholism on my worst enemy! But i can still empathize with people who have no experience of alcoholism and think that alcoholics bring it upon themselves. People will usually never understand the devastating effects of alcoholism until they are directly affected by it. I sincerely hope Paul gets better, but i honestly feel that his days are now very much numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's not a lost cause. Until he dies, there's always a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's not a lost cause. Until he dies, there's always a chance. I would love it if Gazza manages to fight his demons Sifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wife beating alcoholic ringpiece of a man. No sympathy here. Thank you Mr Feckin Perfect, have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wife beating alcoholic ringpiece of a man. No sympathy here. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjambo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's not a lost cause. Until he dies, there's always a chance. would hope so get well soon gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Is that true, it's incurable? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 From my own personal experience TJ, "alcoholism" is still looked down upon by a lot of people. I will admit that i also used to look down at alcoholics...... but now my brother and best mate has been alcoholic for 3 years. It is harrowing and brutal stuff. I would not wish alcoholism on my worst enemy! But i can still empathize with people who have no experience of alcoholism and think that alcoholics bring it upon themselves. People will usually never understand the devastating effects of alcoholism until they are directly affected by it. I sincerely hope Paul gets better, but i honestly feel that his days are now very much numbered. Agree with this, 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It's relatively easy to understand in a few bullet points. Paul Gascoigne was a great player. It's terrible to see any human being going through this. Nobody condones spousal abuse. I hope he pulls through, but I reckon he's too far gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchterjambo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 From my own personal experience TJ, "alcoholism" is still looked down upon by a lot of people. I will admit that i also used to look down at alcoholics...... but now my brother and best mate has been alcoholic for 3 years. It is harrowing and brutal stuff. I would not wish alcoholism on my worst enemy! But i can still empathize with people who have no experience of alcoholism and think that alcoholics bring it upon themselves. People will usually never understand the devastating effects of alcoholism until they are directly affected by it. I sincerely hope Paul gets better, but i honestly feel that his days are now very much numbered. I agree with most of what you say and like you I have seen the effect on people close to me and the suffering it causes. The irony is that alcoholics do bring it on themselves , the issue is once they have done so it becomes a medical issue that they are not in control of. It is no different to someone suffering from lung cancer as a result of smoking but I don't see the same self righteous nonsense spoken about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I agree with most of what you say and like you I have seen the effect on people close to me and the suffering it causes. The irony is that alcoholics do bring it on themselves , the issue is once they have done so it becomes a medical issue that they are not in control of. It is no different to someone suffering from lung cancer as a result of smoking but I don't see the same self righteous nonsense spoken about that. I would feel quite devastated if i had a family member who had lung cancer, so im not really sure what point you are making here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchterjambo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I would feel quite devastated if i had a family member who had lung cancer, so im not really sure what point you are making here. There are people on here who are sitting in judgement saying that Gascoigne brought this on himself and in terms of becoming an alcoholic he has and is now suffering from an illness which is in all likliehood terminal. I see no difference in someone succumbing to the addiction of smoking and tragically ending up with lung cancer as a result. Both are the consequences to an addiction which can have tragic and fatal results. Nobody sets out to be an addict to whatever the substance and I just think Gascoigne is getting some nasty stick on here that is pretty sour in the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I agree with most of what you say and like you I have seen the effect on people close to me and the suffering it causes. The irony is that alcoholics do bring it on themselves , the issue is once they have done so it becomes a medical issue that they are not in control of. It is no different to someone suffering from lung cancer as a result of smoking but I don't see the same self righteous nonsense spoken about that. Not true at all. People take up smoking knowing it's addictive. Almost everyone has a drink, for some, they will have no idea how gripping it is for them until it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not true at all. People take up smoking knowing it's addictive. Almost everyone has a drink, for some, they will have no idea how gripping it is for them until it's too late. Smoking is not addictive to everyone. Not is drink. But both are for some, as are many other things, and it is an illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 There are people on here who are sitting in judgement saying that Gascoigne brought this on himself and in terms of becoming an alcoholic he has and is now suffering from an illness which is in all likliehood terminal. I see no difference in someone succumbing to the addiction of smoking and tragically ending up with lung cancer as a result. Both are the consequences to an addiction which can have tragic and fatal results. Nobody sets out to be an addict to whatever the substance and I just think Gascoigne is getting some nasty stick on here that is pretty sour in the circumstances. Ahaa, i understand and agree with you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 One of the greatest players I have seen play in the flesh. Not getting involved with the debate about his alcoholism but the photos in the last few weeks have shown a person in serious decline. Shame for those who are close to him and love him - it must be worse seeing things played out in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDREWKIDD1874 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Actually fed up of the Gascogne stuff the guy was magical with ball at his feet and very funny man. I am very annoyed wth him he has had loads of help of the years that some people would really appreciate but he keeps going backwards and it's about time he got a grip of himself or he's going to an early grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchterjambo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not true at all. People take up smoking knowing it's addictive. Almost everyone has a drink, for some, they will have no idea how gripping it is for them until it's too late. I think the vast majority of people now know that drink can be addictive and that there is a serious danger to health when taken in excess. My point is that drink and tobacco are taken willingly in full knowledge of the potential consequences. The consequences in both cases can be tragic and therefore and should be viewed in a similar way. I'd bet that if Paul Gacoigne was dying from a smoking related disease he would not be getting the stick he is. Anyway ... I wish him all the best but the outlook is looking a bit bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It's all very sad. Nobody deserves to have their lowest point splashed over that rag of a paper. Hope he comes good but it'll be a long road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I have four relatives who have dealt or not dealt with alcoholism. Three brothers in law and a cousin. Two were my wifes brothers, they were loggers, went to the camps in the boonies worked hard for a fairly long period, camer out of the woods with a barrowload of money, spent it in the beer parlour iuntil they were broke and returned to the woods. Both ended up that they spent less time in the woods and more time on the beer. One lost his wife and family but kept drinking. He begged to come back a couple of times andwas was accepted and fell back to drinking. He went back one more and his wife wwho had found religion told him if he stopped drinking joined her i9n her beliefs he could come back. He did and never went back to drinking, he became quite high in the Church, and ran a good office cleaning business. A good story, and believe it or not became Jehovahs Witnesses, for him it worked well. His brother lived all his fairly long life as an alcoholic, every one said he is a nice drunk, he could work but wasn't dependable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I have four relatives who have dealt or not dealt with alcoholism. Three brothers in law and a cousin. Two were my wifes brothers, they were loggers, went to the camps in the boonies worked hard for a fairly long period, camer out of the woods with a barrowload of money, spent it in the beer parlour iuntil they were broke and returned to the woods. Both ended up that they spent less time in the woods and more time on the beer. One lost his wife and family but kept drinking. He begged to come back a couple of times andwas was accepted and fell back to drinking. He went back one more and his wife wwho had found religion told him if he stopped drinking joined her i9n her beliefs he could come back. He did and never went back to drinking, he became quite high in the Church, and ran a good office cleaning business. A good story, and believe it or not became Jehovahs Witnesses, for him it worked well. His brother lived all his fairly long life as an alcoholic, every one said he is a nice drunk, he could work but wasn't dependable. Apologies for the awful typing I tried to edit and add some more but obviously took too long and didn't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingm616 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 **** him no sympathy either had chance after chance. Its his family and friends my sympathys lie with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 His football career is almost irrelevant now other than the fact it's the reason his steady decline is being documented in the press. No matter what you think of his behaviour or his background it's horrific to watch someone in terminal decline like this. It's also kind of amazing that for a country with so many affected by alcoholism that so many are so lacking in empathy of any sort. It's an illness, it's not a voluntary state. An illness. And an awful one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ga knows the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 **** him no sympathy either had chance after chance. Its his family and friends my sympathys lie with. He's ill though eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Unless you are tee-total and always have been then it could have been any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usf266r Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 According to some bleeding hearts on here,alcoholism is a condition that excuses all manner of behaviour.like i said before.he was an arsehole without a drink and as for the mental illness!.people with worse have accepted help and also responsibility and became better people for it.i don't take any pleasure in his predicament but for christ's sake!,all the excuses do my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spleedoink Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Sorry if already posted, but just came across this story on the former Spurs and England legend. He is in a right mess and has been sectioned. Think Spurs should be commended for supporting him through his troubled times. http://home.bt.com/n...-11363939344832 All his own fault.Drunken wife-beating tosser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 His football career is almost irrelevant now other than the fact it's the reason his steady decline is being documented in the press. No matter what you think of his behaviour or his background it's horrific to watch someone in terminal decline like this. It's also kind of amazing that for a country with so many affected by alcoholism that so many are so lacking in empathy of any sort. It's an illness, it's not a voluntary state. An illness. And an awful one at that. My girlfriends sister is suffering from an eating disorder just now and I'd say it's pretty comparable. You could say she "brought it on herself" and then it spiralled out of control ala Gaza but I don't think the blame lies on her at all. If you seen her you'd think she doesn't want to get better and it's her choice to be like that but it's a mental illness and so is any form of addiction. I sympathise with Gazza he didn't know how to handle the fame like he thought it could and it all got on top of him. That said I think he is beyond help. The damage he's done to his mental state has passed the point of "repair" and I think it's only a matter of time before its the death of him. Not that we should give up trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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