Jambomuzz Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ok so here's my dilemma... Check my mirrors,blind spots and begin my turn in the road as both directions of traffic are clear. Once I am across the road I change into reverse and begin to reverse, while doing so, someone had tried to nick past me and up the road as the road was wide enough. I scrape down the side of his car and the back corner of my drivers side bumper is badly dented. My main question is, if someone comes across you while you are in the middle of a turn in the road, should they be giving way untill you have completed your manouver? I was reversing with the flow of traffic also. The guy says I'm at fault I'm pretty sure I'm not but my insurance also says as I was the one reversing chances are I'll get blamed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 In my opinion, under any circumstances, if someone is performing a manouevre, you wait until they are done before trying to whizz by them. In reality I don't do that and just use my own judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Depends. You're meant to be constantly checking around you as you're doing the manoeuvre not just directly behind you so you should've been aware of him and waited to see if he was going to give way. That's what i did in my lessons anyway when doing turn in the roads, albeit everyone waited until i was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 In my opinion, under any circumstances, if someone is performing a manouevre, you wait until they are done before trying to whizz by them. In reality I don't do that and just use my own judgement. Whenever I come across Someone doing a turn in the road I always wait and the way allowing them to finish the manouver, what I want to know is if this is actually part of the driving standards ect or whatever, so I can inform my insurance company and hopefully avoid liability for the collision. Old people drivers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Depends. You're meant to be constantly checking around you as you're doing the manoeuvre not just directly behind you so you should've been aware of him and waited to see if he was going to give way. That's what i did in my lessons anyway when doing turn in the roads, albeit everyone waited until i was done. Yeah I know it was a split second basically, the turn in the road was done on a side street roughly 50 yards from the mouth of the road, he's coming flying round the corner and just gone straight for it, and I've started to reverse, then bang lol. So annoying as the first thing he said when he came out was "well your Defos at Fault there" Aye nae bother old Man Annoying thing is aswell that he's driving a mobility vehicle, his premiums won't change or hardly if he accepts liability. While mine will rocket and I'll lose my no claims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I may be wrong but seem to remember from my lessons that if you're in reverse and a car is coming you're meant to stop completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 If he came flying down without no care i'd push for that. Say he was coming that quick that you didn't have enough time to stop. Sounds shite but if he's an auld man they'll probably believe you over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 You reversed into someone you didn't see because you didn't look for them. The other motorist should have waited for you, but you should have seen him and stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 You reversed into someone you didn't see because you didn't look for them. The other motorist should have waited for you, but you should have seen him and stopped. I agree completely with this. Since the guy sounds like a dick you should try to put as much fault on him as you can (eg. by saying he must've been going too fast ect) and try and get knock for knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Winchester Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Ok so here's my dilemma... Check my mirrors,blind spots and begin my turn in the road as both directions of traffic are clear. Once I am across the road I change into reverse and begin to reverse, while doing so, someone had tried to nick past me and up the road as the road was wide enough. I scrape down the side of his car and the back corner of my drivers side bumper is badly dented. My main question is, if someone comes across you while you are in the middle of a turn in the road, should they be giving way untill you have completed your manouver? I was reversing with the flow of traffic also. The guy says I'm at fault I'm pretty sure I'm not but my insurance also says as I was the one reversing chances are I'll get blamed! As said above the only thing you can push for is that he was going too fast and you didn't see him when you done your checks... But by rights you shouldn't expect someone to wait for you, you should be in a position to give way and either stop until they've passed or until you know they're going to let you complete the manouver. Do you have a witness or was there any cameras in the area? Without some kind of evidence he was going too fast then it's going to be your word against his and it's likely the insurance company will side with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Just say that you had fully stopped and the guy ploughed into you. If he's a daft old bugger he's prob got alzheimers etc.. that you could pull up if it went to the small claims courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Knock for knock. Although you are at fault ya numpty! Other guy is an ignorant tosser though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 This topic makes me seethe. Feb 2012..... En route to a funeral, there was a massive queue of traffic in the direction I was heading. I performed a turn in the road to take another route. Didn't want to be late obviously. Whilst doing the manaouver another car on the other side of the road drove in to me. It was classed as my fault. Despite being completely stationary, the woman drove in to me. She wasn't paying attention. Was not a happy chappy. I tried a U turn, couldn't quite make it, stopped, put car in to reverse to start backing up and the other car just kept coming, it was like slow motion, I thought surely she's gonna stop?! Nope, hit me. She broke dead late, only noticing me last second. Must have been on her phone or something to not see me. Pretty frustrating, lost 2 years of my NCB because of that. Still think she was in the wrong though. But insurance just see me on wrong side of road and other car was driving in a straight line and I shouldn't have been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 You ought to apply your handbrake and do a complete check of your surroundings when you start the manoeuvre, when your car is perpendicular to the road and when you've straightened your car out to face the opposite way. In reality nobody does this, but if you don't do any of that in your test then you fail the whole shebang. From that i'd say, unless you can prove the other driver was driving dangerously, then you're at fault in the eyes of the law/insurers. Now, a good driver would see somebody doing a three point turn and wait for them to finish but i dont think they're obliged to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Reckon you'll be found in the wrong, I failed my driving test for similar reasons Doing my 3 point turn just finished the reverse, looked round and all fine, got the bite and was just about to move off when some prick went flying through, braked and didn't hit him but didn't matter Instant fail and wasn't even 5 minutes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Reckon you'll be found in the wrong, I failed my driving test for similar reasons Doing my 3 point turn just finished the reverse, looked round and all fine, got the bite and was just about to move off when some prick went flying through, braked and didn't hit him but didn't matter Instant fail and wasn't even 5 minutes in Sorry about that mate, but I was in a bit of a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The guys a **** for trying to squeeze past you but from the sounds of it its your fault for reversing without looking. If I were you though I'd admit nothing and say he hit you while you stopped to see if he was gonna pass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 My only other saving grace may be that there was a car parked on his side of the road that he would have to have moved over possibly towards my side of the to overtake. Think I'm just going to plead he was going to fast and could quite clearly see I was in the middle of a manouver. Not holding up much hope. So angry though, no courtesy at all. Whenever I see someone attempting a manouver I always allow them to complete it before setting off again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrambo Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Reckon you'll be found in the wrong, I failed my driving test for similar reasons Doing my 3 point turn just finished the reverse, looked round and all fine, got the bite and was just about to move off when some prick went flying through, braked and didn't hit him but didn't matter Instant fail and wasn't even 5 minutes in You should check again though once you've got the biting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 My only other saving grace may be that there was a car parked on his side of the road that he would have to have moved over possibly towards my side of the to overtake. Think I'm just going to plead he was going to fast and could quite clearly see I was in the middle of a manouver. Not holding up much hope. So angry though, no courtesy at all. Whenever I see someone attempting a manouver I always allow them to complete it before setting off again. You could be on to something if he left his lane. Although I suppose you reversing into him, presumably across a lane, might constitute you moving into a lane of moving traffic. Guess it depends on which side of the road the incident occurred. Closest thing I've ever had to this was in a car park. There was a queue, the the car in front began to move forward so I crept along behind him. The car in front stopped so I stopped too and rolled back a bit to leave a respectful distance. In the mean time some old boy in a space next to me saw me move and reversed out....straight into my passenger door. He admitted fault and paid for the repair, but I've always had a wee feeling that he could have argued along the lines of me rolling backwards. You win some ands you lose some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Ok so here's my dilemma... Check my mirrors,blind spots and begin my turn in the road as both directions of traffic are clear. Once I am across the road I change into reverse and begin to reverse, while doing so, someone had tried to nick past me and up the road as the road was wide enough. I scrape down the side of his car and the back corner of my drivers side bumper is badly dented. My main question is, if someone comes across you while you are in the middle of a turn in the road, should they be giving way untill you have completed your manouver? I was reversing with the flow of traffic also. The guy says I'm at fault I'm pretty sure I'm not but my insurance also says as I was the one reversing chances are I'll get blamed! To be honest there's very little in what you've said that doesn't make it sound like you're at fault. You even say that the road was wide enough for the other driver. Best to accept it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think waiting for someone to complete a manoeuvre is a courtesy (although also common sense) but I reckon ultimately it's up to you to make sure you can complete the manoeuvre safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Left Nut Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Insurance companies can be a right pain. We had a bump with a motor bike a few years back, pulled out to turn right as a van was turning into where we were coming out and this bike on the wrong side of the road bumped the front of our car once we were over the coming traffic. Insurance company tried to go for joint liability but in the end we lost, never affected our no claims and insurance is still ?22 per month. No one was hurt but the biker was a ******, in full black leathers no light on going on about think bike etc. After the bump he said he was fine changed details etc and went on our way. Few hours later the police called us saying he was injured! Sounds like you will loose this one as they will say you should have noticed the car and stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Wait, you reversed into a moving car and you think it might not be your fault? I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I may be wrong but seem to remember from my lessons that if you're in reverse and a car is coming you're meant to stop completely. Correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Wait, you reversed into a moving car and you think it might not be your fault? I see. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Wait, you reversed into a moving car and you think it might not be your fault? I see. Technically is his fault but its hardly like hes reversed into a parked car. He was in quite a vulnerable position in the road and you would assume most folk would give you time to get on your way and not fly down the back of you. As they say though assumption is the mother of all **** ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Technically is his fault but its hardly like hes reversed into a parked car. He was in quite a vulnerable position in the road and you would assume most folk would give you time to get on your way and not fly down the back of you. As they say though assumption is the mother of all **** ups. . The auld boy should have waited in a perfect world, but the onus is on the reversee (is that a word? It is now) to check nothing is behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Technically is his fault Here endeth the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey Dosser Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I reckon you're going to be held at fault. Onus is on the reversing vehicle to check the way is clear, and the speed of the other vehicle is irrelevant because it cannot be proven. Think you're onto plums here I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Your insurance company thinks you're at fault ? I think that pretty much ends your interest in this claim. Unless you've got a witness to say he was speeding etc, it looks like you're going to have bite the bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 These situations are a bit of a pain in the arse tbh. Similar thing happened to me aswell, approaching a dual lane roundabout, guy pretty much gets to the line and decides to change lane from the right. Instead of realising he can't change straight away due to traffic in the left lane and maybe just doing a full burl around the roundabout (it was a wee one) he slams on the breaks and stops dead. I had seen him indicating so started to slow down anyway, but hadn't anticipated him slamming on the breaks and stopping dead. It was wet so i skidded and came to a stop on his bumper. Again, instead of just continuing around the round about to stop and talk to me, he shot away of straight on so maybe he thought he was at fault. Even though i was at fault for not leaving enough distance, it was his stupidity and bad judgement that caused the bump in the first place IMO. I wasn't right up his arse or that but i was slowing down to stop at the line, not 10ft behind the line Maybe he thought he was at fault and that's why he drove off but there was no damage to my car so i wasn't complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The wee point that worries me most is how late in the story the parked car came to be involved on the road with room for vehicles to pass each other. I think it probably came from the same source as trhe two Nuns that we Old Polis used to use when arresting for Breach of the Peace, they of course would not give names or appear as witnesses, only stating that they were in a state of Fear and Alarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 If you had seen him you should have stopped as technically you are on the other side of the road leaving his side of the road clear for him. You could say that you were stationary and he had to overtake the car on his side of the road and didnt move back into his lane correctly and clipped your car as he was passing. The problem may be how close the parked car was to your manoeuvre as you also may have been to close to carry out your turn safely . Insurance will go bump for bump without a doubt and imho its the best you will get, could be wrong mind. I've had people pull out in front of me making me slam the brakes on only for then to do an eight point turn because they wont use the whole width of the road to do the turn. Its a tad frustrating at times. Some peoples driving skills are terrible now and Im surprised I dont see more bumps than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 is this you ? most likely not but the way you explain it seems similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 is this you ? most likely not but the way you explain it seems similar. A turn in the road is a u-turn with a reverse chucked in mate. Essentially a 3 point turn but youre no allowed to call it that anymore as youre allowed to use as many points within reason. That videos a boy turning onto a road without looking for the speeding lambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrambo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfS8iz2NaLE is this you ? most likely not but the way you explain it seems similar. I can't be the only one that was disappointed to see the female wasn't the driver..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 I'm not saying I wasn't at all at fault, I was the one reversing at all, I was really just seeing if there was a law that he had to give way to me as I was in the middle of a manouver, had I been a bit more aware of my surroundings I might have been able to stop in time. What angered me more was his attitude that he seems to think it was completely my fault when I really don't think it was. And as for me adding in about the parked car later on, the parked car really isn't relevant, it's besides the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Sounds like you're both at fault. Claim he was speeding and contact was on your side of the road. The boy sounds like a complete idiot and you've been really unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I'm not saying I wasn't at all at fault, I was the one reversing at all, I was really just seeing if there was a law that he had to give way to me as I was in the middle of a manouver, had I been a bit more aware of my surroundings I might have been able to stop in time. What angered me more was his attitude that he seems to think it was completely my fault when I really don't think it was. And as for me adding in about the parked car later on, the parked car really isn't relevant, it's besides the point But it was you that mentioned it, so it must have had some relevance to you. Just read the post about the parked car, when you say it is your only saving grace I repeat that seems like you think its relevant and is some way from being besides the point. I am sorry but be careful of falling in to the trap of thinking up things to bolster your arguement as to fault. Sometimes easier just to bite the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 It was completely your fault. You reversed into a moving car as you weren't properly aware of your surroundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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