Swarlos Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Malaysian airlines have lost all contact with flight MH370 one hour after it departed Kuala Lumpur for Beijing. The flight was at cruising altitude and I believe it should have landed in Beijing by now so it's not looking good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 http://m.watoday.com.au/world/seven-australians-among-227-passengers-feared-dead-after-malaysia-airlines-plane-goes-missing-20140308-hvgnx.html Including 7 Aussies. Shocking incident involving one of the top airlines so soon after Air France. Thoughts with all those affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 The story broke on CNN 2 hours ago and still no contact. That doesn't happen unless the plane is down.. Horrible stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 One source reckons the last signal received was around 120 nautical miles off the east coast of Kota Bharu in Malaysia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToYouToMe Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Strange that no call from the pilots. Suggests a catastrophic incident. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjambo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Any news yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_razors_edge Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 My thoughts really go out to all those on that plane and their families. If indeed it has crashed in to the sea what a horrific way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjambo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Radio forth news just said it has crashed into the Vietnam sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart MacD Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I fly with MAS. Very reliable airline, B777 really good record. Around 125 pax from PRC, Maybe a religious nutjob from Xinjiang aboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_razors_edge Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nothing confirmed on sky news yet and they're normally pretty on the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart MacD Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Navy of Vietnam has confirmed crash. No more info yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Pupkin Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Aviation expert on Sky News has just said catastrophic mechanical failure does not happen on these modern aircraft.Looks pretty grim. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_razors_edge Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Aviation expert on Sky News has just said catastrophic mechanical failure does not happen on these modern aircraft.Looks pretty grim. :-( I saw that guy and was trying to listen to what he was saying but the mrs and kids were making a racket so didn't really hear what he said. I'm assuming this means he thinks that it's been a terrorist incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 An 11 year old 777 doesn't just fall out of the sky and Malaysian are renowned for their safety record. This is most people's worst nightmare. I'll be flying out of Kuala Lumpur with Malaysian in a few months. Not that it matters. Thoughts go out to all the friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart MacD Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 CVhina News has reported Vietnamese troops have found oil traces extending kilometres in the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 This is not looking good at all, claims that someone was on board using a stolen Italian passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Hope it has nothing to do with the crazy knife attack last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 This is not looking good at all, claims that someone was on board using a stolen Italian passport. Two passengers on manifest that didn't make it into the flight were using passports that'd been stolen in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Two passengers on manifest that didn't make it into the flight were using passports that'd been stolen in Thailand God knows what you would be feeling if you didn't board a flight that ended up crashing. On a side note, I'm flying to Chicago next month and I hate flying. This does nothing to calm my nerves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 God knows what you would be feeling if you didn't board a flight that ended up crashing. On a side note, I'm flying to Chicago next month and I hate flying. This does nothing to calm my nerves. I think it was a case of there being suspicion around the use of the Passports - rather than the real owners just not getting in the flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 Two passengers on manifest that didn't make it into the flight were using passports that'd been stolen in Thailand The people using the passports didn't board the flight or the people who's passport it actually was didn't board the flight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldreekie1874 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The people using the passports didn't board the flight or the people who's passport it actually was didn't board the flight? The people who's passport it actually was didn't board the flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 So, are there suspicions that the folk using the stolen passports were responsible for it going down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Pretty weird coincidence that two people from two completely different countries who had their passports stolen months ago at completely different times would suddenly have their passports used to board the same flight that would just 'disappear' despite both the plan and airlines pretty excellent safety record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 One of the passports was stolen in Thailand I believe. Do we know if the other one was the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I read that they're both being flown in to help with investigations but I don't think either of them are under suspicion. They're just two blokes who had their passports randomly stolen - or so they thought. What I don't get at all is how two stolen passports which would have been cancelled got them through security. One could be explained away as a mistake, but two managing the same thing? Too much coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Pretty weird coincidence that two people from two completely different countries who had their passports stolen months ago at completely different times would suddenly have their passports used to board the same flight that would just 'disappear' despite both the plan and airlines pretty excellent safety record. Could it be the real life Lost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Did they ever find out what happened to that Air France flight that disappeared en route from Rio to Paris? I was on the equivalent flight the week before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Did they ever find out what happened to that Air France flight that disappeared en route from Rio to Paris? I was on the equivalent flight the week before. Found it in the ocean a while after iirc. Think they even managed to recover some of the victims. Can't remember what the explanation for the crash was though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Initial investigation was hampered because authorities were unable to locate the wreckage; it was located nearly two years after the accident, and the aircraft's black boxes were finally recovered from the ocean floor in May 2011.[1][6] The final report, released at a news conference on 5 July 2012,[7][8] stated that the aircraft crashed after temporary inconsistencies between the airspeed measurements?likely due to the aircraft's pitot tubes being obstructed by ice crystals?caused the autopilot to disconnect, after which the crew reacted incorrectly and ultimately led the aircraft to an aerodynamic stall from which they did not recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart MacD Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I hope the Malaysians are checking the CCTV from the terminal at KLIA to identify the 2 using the stolen passports. As the owners are Italian and Austrian, I imagine the photos have been switched, hardly an amateur job. Security's pretty tight there, with Police and private company personnel, as well as MAS check-in staff doing a visual check against the passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I'll be on MAS up to KL then Beijing later this month. I get the feeling security will be tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I'm not sure what the level of passport fraud is. It could be that on any flight with hundreds of people there will be one or two carrying false documents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Haggis Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Found it in the ocean a while after iirc. Think they even managed to recover some of the victims. Can't remember what the explanation for the crash was though. Frozen pitot tubes (think that's what they are called) that measure airspeed...led to confusion in the cockpit and essentially the pilots misi-interpreting the situ and crashing the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I'm not sure what the level of passport fraud is. It could be that on any flight with hundreds of people there will be one or two carrying false documents? Would doubt it's as common as that but I'd agree with your point in general. There are enough people travelling on false papers for it to be a coincidence and it's probably unrelated. If it was terrorism someone would be claiming responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I only landed at Kuala Lumpur to refuel en route to Oz a few years ago. We were there for less than an hour but you had to get off the plane and go back through very tight security to get back on. That was us not even leaving the gate we landed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 This story is very, very weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Report says the aircraft was turning back before it vanished. No distress call. Sounds like highjact attempt as crew would have warned ATC of change in flight plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Price Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Need to get the black boxes to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Need to get the black boxes to find out Yup. Won't really know anything until then. Apparently the stolen passport holders were booked onward to Amsterdam from Beijing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yup. Won't really know anything until then. Apparently the stolen passport holders were booked onward to Amsterdam from Beijing. That's a long way for a short cut. Nobody found that strange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 That's a long way for a short cut. Nobody found that strange? I'm flying direct from KUL to AMS in the summer. Don't see why you'd ever go via Beijing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 God knows what you would be feeling if you didn't board a flight that ended up crashing. On a side note, I'm flying to Chicago next month and I hate flying. This does nothing to calm my nerves. My brother was working in Brazil when the Air France flight went down and the flight he would get back home was the Monday morning Air France flight to CDG. Simplistically as he was working 6 weeks on 6 weeks off, it was a one in 12 chance of being on the flight that went down. However, a couple of guys who worked with him were on the flight that went down. And one had swapped flights home with a colleague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I think these two are more sinister than simply travelling on false passports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Maybe they were using European passports to get into Europe for work. Would you really need to steal someone's passport just to bring down a plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Maybe they were using European passports to get into Europe for work. Would you really need to steal someone's passport just to bring down a plane? You might if you were on some sort of security blacklist, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohang Jambo Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I'll be flying into KL on Wednesday, and then onto Hong Kong on Saturday. Sad sad story and can't imagine what the families and people on board went through/are going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Maybe they were using European passports to get into Europe for work. Would you really need to steal someone's passport just to bring down a plane? Actually just thought, they'd probably have to apply for Chinese visa or something if Beijing was last destination. Probably wanted to remove that particular layer of checks so had final destination in Europe instead. Edit: Just found this in one of the news articles, I was thinking kind of along the right lines. "Under a recently launched exemption programme, citizens of many Western nations are granted visa-free entry for 72 hours upon arrival in Beijing as long as they have an onward ticket." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yeah that does make a lot of sense. I don't know much about politics in that area, any idea what the likely motive could be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Really strange story, not very fast updates either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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