Gigolo-Aunt Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Seems kind of unfair that starting a thread on a kid... Is he the answer ? Have seen it twice in a week him getting ripped up for erse paper when coming across a decent SPL wide man. Dont think he is going to the the answer, and there is not many answers from top to bottom at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Seems kind of unfair that starting a thread on a kid... Is he the answer ? Have seen it twice in a week him getting ripped up for erse paper when coming across a decent SPL wide man. Dont think he is going to the the answer, and there is not many answers from top to bottom at the club. Just posted in another thread that I think he is going to be a first division player at best. I think we need to sign a backup/competition player for right back to compete with Neilson next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsforglory Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 his name is Thomson not Thompson:evilno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Not even as good as Neilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 his name is Thomson not Thompson:evilno: Oh sorry. Opinions on him as a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Better than Neilson was at the same age, better use of the ball than Neilson now, the kid needs nurturing & opportunities - if he doesn't improve then fair enough but he needs a decent chance - Neilson is cack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 Better than Neilson was at the same age, better use of the ball than Neilson now, the kid needs nurturing & opportunities - if he doesn't improve then fair enough but he needs a decent chance - Neilson is cack. Sotty NMH, you have to show something. Glen goals apart, has shown he is a good footballer and is worth keeping around. Thomson is further down agew wise- not seen nothing to suggest he is close to being an answer. Allan Johnstone was skipping past him with ease and out running him. Johnstone never even needed to check back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertonian_II Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 If that's the best that our youth policy can give us, then we should just give up the "Academy" altogether. I'd rather have Neilson:eek: I also thought that Glen did a good impression of Clum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Youngsters need to show something when their chance comes. Glen has shown something. Thomson has shown nothing as far as I'm concerned. On what I've seen on him, first division is his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Thomson has shown he can pass the ball to his team mates & cross the ball beyond the first defender or behind the goal line, play useful balls forward not hospital passes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsforglory Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 im not to sure about him as a player yet. i think he sometimes lacks the confidence to push forward with the ball. his passing sometimes is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makween Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Oh sorry. I have no idea why that was so funny. On topic, I think that as things stand he's not as good as Neilson. Given time, he'd probably develop into another Neilson - which isn't what we're looking for. Don't want to be harsh to the guy, but based on what (admittedly little) I've seen of him he doesn't add much to the team other than a token Scottish / youth team presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboLad Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Not good enough in my opinion. Robbie is better but we really need to sign a good right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I do not expect Jason Thomson to become the next Gareth Bale however he is nowhere near as poor as Neilson was when he first played in the team (if anyone can actually remember that?) Thomson has shown himself to be better raw material than Neilson was at the same age therefore unless he develops a bad attitude then I expect him to develop into a better player than Robbie as he gains more experience and learns how to play in the SPL - I notice very few people are commenting that Thomson has woeful passing or crossing that we see threads about Neilson on an almost weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Seems kind of unfair that starting a thread on a kid... Is he the answer ? Have seen it twice in a week him getting ripped up for erse paper when coming across a decent SPL wide man. Dont think he is going to the the answer, and there is not many answers from top to bottom at the club. Well look at who has been mentoring him............... Until we get specialist coaches who know what they are doing, none of our youngsters will make the step up..... Wallace, Jonsonn, Concalves, Elliot and Mole will never improve until they are taught the basics of the positions they are supposed to play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 He's not up to the required standard, get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nowhere near good enough. I have said nothing about his first couple of appearnaces because I think if you are good enough to start one game, you are good enough to try a few times until you settle. He has no positional sense and no pace. So what if he can pass to a team mate. His job is to defend. He can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORGIE CAMBO Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Absolutely incredable comments. Does no-one know the meaning of the word SUPPORTER!!! What chance do any young players have with the negative attitudes of these comments. Even Roberto Carlos would toil to impress playing in this current shambles, but at least give some SUPPORT to our own local lads.:evilno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 A touch of the "Neilsons" about him IMO, from the way he moves to the way he uses the ball to an extent. Only he doesnt have the experience to get out of certain situations that Neilson does. Jury's still out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond K?ruzor? Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 really don't think he's the answer. we still need a 1st choice RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboSean Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I thought he was awful. Neilson is not up to the standard, and Thomson is even worse. Torn apart today for the team who are 11th in the league. 2 new right backs needed in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Of our "young" players who've been given a chance, sadly Thomson, Wallace, Elliot, Mole and posibly Glen are not good enough, first Division at best. Concalves, Ivas, Miko and Chesny are squad players, at best Only Jonnson, Berra & Driver can be considered 1st team standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Doesn?t look to have gained much from his 3 years out of the team....Interpret that as you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 The standard for good Hearts full backs in the last 20 years was set by Tam Flogel and Tosh McKinlay. Especially IMO Tosh Mckinlay. Tosh was a fairly average defender but he did a "modern" full back's job. He covered when it was required, was positionally quite sound. Got up and down the pitch all day. Delivered a telling cross 80% of the time (He was top in assists 2 seasons running with the Daily Record fantasy football) and had real pace. The nearest thing we have these days is Lee Wallace. Needs some development but undoubtedly has potential. As far as Neilson and Thomson are concerned, I marginally prefer Neilson in a "better the devil you know" kind of way. Neither of them could lace Mckinlay or Flogels boots mind you but its traditionally amongst the hardest positions to fill properly in modern football and we'd be much better served by signing a new one or converting one of our many midfielders into a right back (Eggert Jonnson for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 If that's the best that our youth policy can give us, then we should just give up the "Academy" altogether. I'd rather have Neilson:eek: I also thought that Glen did a good impression of Clum Gary Glen should probably not have been playing because he simply wasn't fit. Apparently his leg is still very badly bruised and he was clearly not as mobile as he normally is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Seems kind of unfair that starting a thread on a kid... Is he the answer ? Have seen it twice in a week him getting ripped up for erse paper when coming across a decent SPL wide man. Dont think he is going to the the answer, and there is not many answers from top to bottom at the club. From what I can gather from this and another thread on the board last night I think going forward we have two options Scott, those are - (a) Dump Jason Thomson, either back into the reserves or out of the club altogether, reinstate Robbie Neilson at right back and bring in someone who might provide Neilson with some competition. ( We allow Jason Thomson to continue to develop within the reserves, but dump Robbie Neilson and bring in a competent, decent quality right back that Thomson can learn something from. For me option ( makes far more sense. Anyone who sees the right back berth being occupied by Neilson going forward obviously has no desire to see HMFC improve, to reinstate him into the team would be nothing more than a nonsense. He has had his time, it is time to start looking for better. Jason Thomson is nowhere near the finished article yet, he has a lot to learn yet, but given time he may develop into a good right back, Neilson will not get any better, what we have had to suffer from him for a long time now is as good as it is going to get. As I said on another thread I sincerely hope that today's testimonial brings down the curtain on his Hearts career, the club say thank you and goodbye, and we start thinking about the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walton1983 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Of our "young" players who've been given a chance, sadly Thomson, Wallace, Elliot, Mole and posibly Glen are not good enough, first Division at best. Concalves, Ivas, Miko and Chesny are squad players, at best Only Jonnson, Berra & Driver can be considered 1st team standard. Johnson is ok. He does not create goals, he hardly ever looks like scoring a goal and is a poor passer of a ball. He does however work hard and closes opponents down. Is that enough to become a regular in Hearts team. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Some terrible comments on here. Neilson has been consistently poor for years now and yet here people are criticising Thomson after 3 or 4 first team opportunities (Which in all of them he hasn't performed badly and certainly not any worse than Neilson would have IMO) Thomson should be given a run in the team before we can properly judge. I'd play him ahead of Neilson, In fact, I'd give him a testimonial ahead of Neilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flogel98 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 If that's the best that our youth policy can give us, then we should just give up the "Academy" altogether. I'd rather have Neilson:eek: I also thought that Glen did a good impression of Clum Very harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cruckie cookie Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Nowhere near good enough. I have said nothing about his first couple of appearnaces because I think if you are good enough to start one game, you are good enough to try a few times until you settle. He has no positional sense and no pace. So what if he can pass to a team mate. His job is to defend. He can't. Nail on head mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Anyone who sees the right back berth being occupied by Neilson going forward obviously has no desire to see HMFC improve, to reinstate him into the team would be nothing more than a nonsense. He has had his time, it is time to start looking for better. Jason Thomson is nowhere near the finished article yet, he has a lot to learn yet, but given time he may develop into a good right back, Neilson will not get any better, what we have had to suffer from him for a long time now is as good as it is going to get. As I said on another thread I sincerely hope that today's testimonial brings down the curtain on his Hearts career, the club say thank you and goodbye, and we start thinking about the future. Says everything that needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 I think Jason Thomson looked better 3 years ago but he still has time. However i think you have to say he has not grabbed the opportunity with both hands. IMO we need 2 new full backs for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 FFs, here we go again. A young lad is in the team two minutes and he`s got final judgement. I know he made his debut a couple of years ago but maybe he wasn`t totally ready? He`s got his chance now and i`d say he`s done ok. He can pass better than Neilson and he`s put in some decent balls into the box. He seems to have a bit pace aswell and has made some good recovering runs. Admittedly, he has been caught out defensively at times but isn`t that why you give young players a few games experience to tune up their game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.N.T.H. Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 I don't want to slaughter him, but every player should be accountable; regardless of age. He's contributed very little in the games he's played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 I think Jason Thomson looked better 3 years ago but he still has time. However i think you have to say he has not grabbed the opportunity with both hands. IMO we need 2 new full backs for next season. Things like positional errors can be worked on and improved with a bit of coaching and more experience in the team and learning how to play against your opponents etc. It is easy to fix that than trying to fix lack of ability & poor touch & poor passing etc. Does anyone remember Neilson's early appearances in the team? How would they be treated on JKB now if he was beginning his career today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Things like positional errors can be worked on and improved with a bit of coaching and more experience in the team and learning how to play against your opponents etc. It is easy to fix that than trying to fix lack of ability & poor touch & poor passing etc. Does anyone remember Neilson's early appearances in the team? How would they be treated on JKB now if he was beginning his career today? Defending is THE basic skill of a defender. Without the ability to do the basics - defend, having ability to do secondary things like attacking are a bit irrelevent. I think your dislike for Robbie is clouding your judgement on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Defending is THE basic skill of a defender. Without the ability to do the basics - defend, having ability to do secondary things like attacking are a bit irrelevent. I think your dislike for Robbie is clouding your judgement on this one. Maybe, but the basics of a pro footballer are to also control a ball properly and pass. IMO, every player in every position should be able to play football, especially pro players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Maybe, but the basics of a pro footballer are to also control a ball properly and pass. IMO, every player in every position should be able to play football, especially pro players. Agreed. Neilson is awful on that front, but Thomson looked little (if any) better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Defending is THE basic skill of a defender. Without the ability to do the basics - defend, having ability to do secondary things like attacking are a bit irrelevent. I think your dislike for Robbie is clouding your judgement on this one. I don't dislike Robbie, in fact I am proud of the award he got yesterday from Show Racism the Red Card campaign - that is tremendous, I just think he's one of our poorest players to get such a long run in the team and Thomson is a much better prospect at 20 than Neilson was, I also think Thomson's defending was okay, it didn't cost us goals although I accept certain parts of his game can be improved but then that is what you'd expect from a player with less than 10 appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Robbies better unfortunately. As people have said, you have to show something and he has showed absolutely nothing. Probably end up at the likes of Dunfermline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 The standard for good Hearts full backs in the last 20 years was set by Tam Flogel and Tosh McKinlay. Especially IMO Tosh Mckinlay. Tosh was a fairly average defender but he did a "modern" full back's job. He covered when it was required, was positionally quite sound. Got up and down the pitch all day. Delivered a telling cross 80% of the time (He was top in assists 2 seasons running with the Daily Record fantasy football) and had real pace. The nearest thing we have these days is Lee Wallace. Needs some development but undoubtedly has potential. As far as Neilson and Thomson are concerned, I marginally prefer Neilson in a "better the devil you know" kind of way. Neither of them could lace Mckinlay or Flogels boots mind you but its traditionally amongst the hardest positions to fill properly in modern football and we'd be much better served by signing a new one or converting one of our many midfielders into a right back (Eggert Jonnson for example) I would argue that the best Hearts full backs in recent times have been Gary Naysmith, Stephane Mahe (albeit fairly briefly) and a certain Stephen Frail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Not been too impressed with him. But I would keep him around as back-up to the (hopefully) new right-back we get in the summer. Or it may be the start of the second decade of Neilson as our right-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The standard for good Hearts full backs in the last 20 years was set by Tam Flogel and Tosh McKinlay. Flogel? From what i remember Flogel had many a stinker at right back and most Hearts fans didn`t want him playing there. Most i know agreed his most productive position was just behind the forwards as proved in the cup winning season of 1998. Totally disagree OAG, that Flogel was one of the standard setters. Thought he was poor at RB. There`s been more better RB`s than him, Frail, Locke even Hugh Burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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