AlphonseCapone Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Never heard of this sort of thing before tonight. Apparently happened a couple of times in the past though. Sounds ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Usually it's a scare tactic the President uses to force congress to stop arguing like a bunch of children. Sometimes they call his bluff and govt shuts down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 If it happens then a lot of ordinary folk employed by the government won't get paid. Seems so ridiculous these guys are meant to represent the people. That's politics I guess though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Repuucan right is holding a gun to Obamas head. Basically abandon the health reforms or we'll shut down the Federal government and blame you. Whoever wins this showdown kinda opens up a strong lead and momentum into the 2016 Presidential election, not to mention midterms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 With America printing money and hitting debt ceilings constantly, what can possibly go wrong? Get those greenbacks out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Does this not happen in an episode if the West Wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Does this not happen in an episode if the West Wing? Obviously. And Jed totally takes Hapfley apart. Goes to the Hill by walking there and all that. Spooks the Republicans and he wins... Josh also plays a big role in winning respect back.. Your move Obama... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Obviously. And Jed totally takes Hapfley apart. Goes to the Hill by walking there and all that. Spooks the Republicans and he wins... Josh also plays a big role in winning respect back.. Your move Obama... Great show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Great show. Indeed. Clinton and Kerry hated it as it placed "unrealistic expectations" on democrats. Obama adopted the hyperbole and has largely failed to live up to the change he offered. If he loses in the shutdown he should just give up and hand the keys to Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Holding an entire nation to ransom because you don't agree with basic healthcare for all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Indeed. Clinton and Kerry hated it as it placed "unrealistic expectations" on democrats. Obama adopted the hyperbole and has largely failed to live up to the change he offered. If he loses in the shutdown he should just give up and hand the keys to Biden. It's quite amazing how Sorkin went from writing one of the best shows of all time to writing something as backwards, dull and sexist as The Newsroom. With the exception of the 9/11 tribute episode I can't think of any scenes in The West Wing that bring about the same amount of distaste as I feel watching the average episode of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 It's quite amazing how Sorkin went from writing one of the best shows of all time to writing something as backwards, dull and sexist as The Newsroom. With the exception of the 9/11 tribute episode I can't think of any scenes in The West Wing that bring about the same amount of distaste as I feel watching the average episode of that. Arguably West Wing was a tad sexist. Only CJ had a senior position, other women were mainly assistants and secretaries. Except for a few minor exceptions the West Wing mainly placed women in supporting roles. That being said it is still a television masterpeice and is one of the best and most accessible political dramas. Only things like Borgen, A Very British Coup and the Channel 4 two parter The Deal have matched it as interesting and well written political dramas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 It's happened 17 times since the mid-70s, apparently. Oh, and Borgen is class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Arguably West Wing was a tad sexist. Only CJ had a senior position, other women were mainly assistants and secretaries. Except for a few minor exceptions the West Wing mainly placed women in supporting roles. That being said it is still a television masterpeice and is one of the best and most accessible political dramas. Only things like Borgen, A Very British Coup and the Channel 4 two parter The Deal have matched it as interesting and well written political dramas. Never watched any of those 3 but love a good political drama. Thanks. And I agree with your point about sexism but seriously, compare the West Wing which started in the 90s and it's streets ahead of The Newsroom (2012) in terms of portrayal of women. The Newsroom is actively offensive in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Never watched any of those 3 but love a good political drama. Thanks. And I agree with your point about sexism but seriously, compare the West Wing which started in the 90s and it's streets ahead of The Newsroom (2012) in terms of portrayal of women. The Newsroom is actively offensive in that regard. Its on the list for when I have some money to buy it haha. Sad to hear its crap. But still need to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Usually it's a scare tactic the President uses to force congress to stop arguing like a bunch of children. Sometimes they call his bluff and govt shuts down. No offence dude, but this in entirely incorrect. It's a tactic the House of Representatives is using to attempt to prevent the healthcare law taking effect. Basically, the House needs to pass a bill that funds the government for another year and are refusing to pass any bill that includes funding for said legislation. If they don't pass a funding bill, the government is forced to shut down. Note : This is a law that has already been passed, they're trying to make sure its not funded (and therefore impossible to implement) because they lost the battle to prevent it being passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Moderate Republicans fail in revolt against Boehner. If this happens stocks will tumble. Economically fragile recoveries could stumble. The reserve currency of the world being manipulated over moderate Health care proposals is a joke. Boehner says "why cant our citizens be treated like us?" - so is Boehner offering an extension of congressional health care to the American people? Such a warped model of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToYouToMe Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Arguably West Wing was a tad sexist. Only CJ had a senior position, other women were mainly assistants and secretaries. Except for a few minor exceptions the West Wing mainly placed women in supporting roles. That being said it is still a television masterpeice and is one of the best and most accessible political dramas. Only things like Borgen, A Very British Coup and the Channel 4 two parter The Deal have matched it as interesting and well written political dramas. House of Cards? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I hope they get it sorted because I'd quite like to go to Liberty and Ellis islands tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This happened before under Clinton, did it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This happened before under Clinton, did it not? Yes, in 1996. It backfired on the Republicans as the Democrats won both houses in the subsequent mid-terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I might be exposing myself as a dinosaur here, but what's so sexist about 'The Newsroom'? It's way below the dramatic standard of the 'West Wing', but half the main characters are female, most of them have their shit together (well, at least as much as the men do... Which admittedly isn't saying much), and they're not just sideshows to the male characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I might be exposing myself as a dinosaur here, but what's so sexist about 'The Newsroom'? It's way below the dramatic standard of the 'West Wing', but half the main characters are female, most of them have their shit together (well, at least as much as the men do... Which admittedly isn't saying much), and they're not just sideshows to the male characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I might be exposing myself as a dinosaur here, but what's so sexist about 'The Newsroom'? It's way below the dramatic standard of the 'West Wing', but half the main characters are female, most of them have their shit together (well, at least as much as the men do... Which admittedly isn't saying much), and they're not just sideshows to the male characters. Indeed. I got the "dull" part, but a bit puzzled by the "sexist" bit. As an aside, that Olivia Munn berd definitely would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I might be exposing myself as a dinosaur here, but what's so sexist about 'The Newsroom'? It's way below the dramatic standard of the 'West Wing', but half the main characters are female, most of them have their shit together (well, at least as much as the men do... Which admittedly isn't saying much), and they're not just sideshows to the male characters. Maybe someone slagged off women's football on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Yes, in 1996. It backfired on the Republicans as the Democrats won both houses in the subsequent mid-terms. Was that the most recent time? I was focusing on my primary school homework more than sky news at that point haha. So I see it has happened, are the republicans completely in the wrong here, closing down services because they won't fund something that has already passed? Is it that simple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Go TeaParty go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 House of Cards? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4 You could say that, I couldn't possibly comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Was that the most recent time? I was focusing on my primary school homework more than sky news at that point haha. So I see it has happened, are the republicans completely in the wrong here, closing down services because they won't fund something that has already passed? Is it that simple? Yes it is that simple. All Obama has done, limp wristedly perhaps, is to offer, what Tom Johnston would've described as bringing "a few amenities of life to the peasant and his wife". In offering a minimum net of health provision to some Americans tge Republicans have lost their marbles and went off the rails and have shut down all but the essential parts of the Federal government. Social Security cheques not sent, Postal, Medicare/caid claims not processed, Pensions not delivered, Departmentnof Justice prosecutions backlogging and much much more, all because Obama wants a fairer and reformed Health care market. I appreciate each nation is entitled to its own politics and destiny, but for the worlds richest nation - "leader of the free world" - to view the right to own a machine gun as more valuable than that of receiving health care for free at the point of need or having a national insurance scheme is quite frankly idiotic and backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton Peck Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 There was a shutdown in Parks and Recreation. Ron Swanson loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I appreciate each nation is entitled to its own politics and destiny, but for the worlds richest nation - "leader of the free world" - to view the right to own a machine gun as more valuable than that of receiving health care for free at the point of need or having a national insurance scheme is quite frankly idiotic and backwards. The second part of your post contradicts the first. I don't agree with their priorities either, but don't be a hypocrite by giving them the freedom to choose and then criticising them because you don't agree with their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The second part of your post contradicts the first. I don't agree with their priorities either, but don't be a hypocrite by giving them the freedom to choose and then criticising them because you don't agree with their choice. Nonsense. They have the freedom to choose, and he has the freedom to criticise them as much as he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The second part of your post contradicts the first. I don't agree with their priorities either, but don't be a hypocrite by giving them the freedom to choose and then criticising them because you don't agree with their choice. You cant agree though that a right created at the end of the 18th century to form militia to defend from colonial and native aggression is still relevant in a nation with chronic health issues and no national system of health provision even similar to any other nation in Western democracy. Can you? I may well be being hypocritical here but its ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What's the deal with Medicare? Always thought that was what was available for those unable to fund medical insurance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What's the deal with Medicare? Always thought that was what was available for those unable to fund medical insurance! Medicare is (mainly) for people over 65 and also people with disabilities. Medicaid is (mainly) for lower income families. Both Medicare and Medicaid will continue to operate regardless of the 'shutdown'. Funding for the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) provisions is also largely unaffected. Which makes the actions of the House particularly idiotic. Edit: Medicaid doesn't cover everyone who may need insurance but struggles with affordability so there has always been a gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 You cant agree though that a right created at the end of the 18th century to form militia to defend from colonial and native aggression is still relevant in a nation with chronic health issues and no national system of health provision even similar to any other nation in Western democracy. Can you? I may well be being hypocritical here but its ridiculous. I'd argue that you're falling into the Republicans trap by calling this a political issue. It's not. Funding the government is not a 'tactic' or a 'ploy', it's their effin job. Partisan issues such as Obamacare and gun control have no relevance to what is one of the fundamental responsibilities of the legislative branch of government, regardless of where you stand on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm still waiting to hear how 'The Newsroom' is sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'd argue that you're falling into the Republicans trap by calling this a political issue. It's not. Funding the government is not a 'tactic' or a 'ploy', it's their effin job. Partisan issues such as Obamacare and gun control have no relevance to what is one of the fundamental responsibilities of the legislative branch of government, regardless of where you stand on them. But they are basing their rejection of passing a budget on Obamacare funding. Surely they're playing politics with this as much as Senate Democrats and Obama? Personally this to me shows the limits of the system in a government struggling to get votes in a legislature. But then again this is partly why it was designed this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EreWeG0.. Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 You may laugh but if only the sfa was run in the same way........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Medicare is (mainly) for people over 65 and also people with disabilities. Medicaid is (mainly) for lower income families. Both Medicare and Medicaid will continue to operate regardless of the 'shutdown'. Funding for the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) provisions is also largely unaffected. Which makes the actions of the House particularly idiotic. Edit: Medicaid doesn't cover everyone who may need insurance but struggles with affordability so there has always been a gap. Cool, thanks. Makes you realise, though it has faults, how lucky we are with the NHS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/10/01/2706821/media-government-shutdown-blame/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm still waiting to hear how 'The Newsroom' is sexist. He meant sexy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The REAL fun will be in two weeks time when they vote to raise the USA debt ceiling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I don't even watch the program but needed to know! http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1641982 Pfft! That huff article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Both sides have valid points but they've gone totally the wrong way about fixing them. The point of having the executive branch and the legislative branch is to encourage co-operation, compromise and ensure that what is best for the USA is what is passed into law. However, the Republicans have been at pains to block absolutely everything they can that the President proposes and the democrats aren't doing a great job of countering this. It's crazy that the US is shutdown, i've been imprisoned in the house all day with no leccy, water, gas, etc... Funnily enough, the govt is shut down, yet the polticians are still being paid... As for The Newsroom being sexist - really?? Really!! The owner of the multi billion dollar company that owns ACN is a woman ffs! The executive producer of the flaship show is a woman ffs! Dear god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotVincentGuerain Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 i think the mars rover stopped tweeting cos of the govt shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 My bird flys to new york mid october. Would be a shame for this to effect her trip as she's really into her museums and art galleries. Hopefully it's all sorted out, especially for my sake as i'll never hear the end of her moaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 In regards to the debt ceiling level, if they don't agree to raise it and the US defaults on its debts for the first time, what would be the actual consequences? Would the global economy go into complete meltdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm still waiting to hear how 'The Newsroom' is sexist. Really?? http://www.salon.com/2013/09/09/aaron_sorkin_gets_more_sexist_every_year/ http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/Sorkin_s_i_Newsroom_i_Now_a_Cynical_Sexist_Mess_11742.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/the-newsroom-women-aaron-sorkin-hbo_b_1641982.html http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/02/aaron-sorkin-the-newsroom-sexism http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/tv-review-the-newsroom-season-two.html http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/newsroom-aaron-sorkin-women-hostile-misogyny.html http://jezebel.com/5931145/aaron-sorkins-ladies-sure-do-slip-on-a-lot-of-banana-peels http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/aaron-sorkins-female-trouble-the-women-of-the-newsroom http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120706/ENT03/307069935/1007/ent It's not exactly a fringe opinion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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