eck1874 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 During the last month non-old firm fans have been alarmed, but not surprised, by the myths and 'fibs' peddled by Rangers and the Scottish Media. Indeed, not one journo has dared to speculate that the predicament Rangers are in is mostly of their own making, or has offered a non-jingoistic catalyst for a change to the schedule. Here is have a look at the most common soundbytes often dished out as incontrovertible evidence. 'Fib': Rangers have had no help from the SPL. The season has been extended by the best part of a week to accommodate Rangers' fixture congestion. As far as we can work out, this is unprecedented in the modern era... indeed, Celtic played three games in four days at the back end of their 1974 one-sub-each-no-such-thing-as-squad-rotation title challenge. But that's not the only help that they have had from the SPL this season : Armed with a piece of paper saying, ?Lyon huv hud heir game postponed,? Rangers petitioned the SPL, aiming to have their match with the mighty Gretna put back until a later date. As we know, it succeeded. QUOTE (BBC) 3rd Dec: ?And, with Gretna giving backing to the request, the decision to postpone was taken by SPL chairman Lex Gold and secretary Iain Blair. The SPL pointed out that the French authorities had allowed Lyon a similar weekend off, cancelling their tie at Caen.? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7122365.stm However, it came to light that Lyon hadn't had their game postponed at all. In fact, they applied for the cancellation AFTER hearing Rangers had bought themselves a free week. QUOTE (BBC) 6th Dec: Lyon have failed to have Saturday's league game against Caen postponed to give them time to prepare for the Champions League clash with Rangers. "We requested the postponement in order to be at the same level as our rivals who succeeded in postponing their Scottish league game against Gretna," he said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7131441.stm Further questions should have been asked about the subsequent scheduling of both this Gretna match, and the St. Mirren match postponed prior to Scotland's Euro Qualifier against Italy. Why weren't these matches played at the first available opportunity? Rangers had free midweeks pre-Christmas - Celtic managed to play their home match against Falkirk in between their Champions League and SPL fixtures. Indeed, Celtic were able to play FOUR matches in ten days at the start of December, dropping four points in the process (Hearts and St Mirren). Myth: It's all someone else's fault Nonsense. Gretna, and dodgy fixture re-scheduling aside, Rangers have had ample opportunity to fix out their own congestion. The failure of Scotland's Heroes (? Daily Record) to beat Hibs and lower-league Partick Thistle at the first time of asking have padded out their fixture fulfilment requirements. The match against East Stirling was postponed due to a waterlogged pitch. On the face of it, that seems perfectly reasonable in the Scottish winter. However, when the next unchallenged soundbytes emit from President Murray about lowering the Ibrox pitch again to cram more seats in, shouldn't someone - anyone - point out that they are within a stones throw distance from a major river? Obviously the free weekend after the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell was thrust upon them. But it is worth noting that Dundee United, the team they tried not to play this Saturday, were forced to complete their next fixture at the time, despite watching a friend and opponent die in front of them a few days previous. Placed beside that, Rangers' recent request and subsequent petulant outburst looks embarrassingly trivial. 'Fib': ?This will make the SPL a laughing stock? Seriously, the world doesn't care about the SPL's fixture list. Truly. Take Middlesborough in 2006, they managed to get to the UEFA Cup final. Here was their fixture list. March Thu 30 20:45 A FC Basel UEFA April Sun 2 15:00 A Manchester City PREM Thu 6 20:00 H FC Basel UEFA Sun 9 15:00 H Newcastle PREM We 12 20:05 H Charlton FACP Sat 15 15:00 A Portsmouth PREM Mon 17 15:00 H West Ham Utd PREM Thu 20 20:45 A S Bucuresti UEFA Sun 23 16:00 H West Ham Utd FACP Thu 27 20:02 H S Bucuresti UEFA Sat 29 15:00 H Everton PREM May Mon 1 20:00 A Man Utd PREM Wed 3 20:00 A Bolton PREM Sun 7 15:00 A Fulham PREM Wed 10 19:45 H Sevilla Futbol UEFA Let's have a look at some highlights and see how many of Rangers, ?Laughing Stock? boxes it ticks... * Middle of April, four games in eight days. * A run of three away games in a row at the end of the season. * Not only managed a game on the Saturday preceding a midweek AWAY tie in Romania, but squeezed in a cheeky match at home to West Ham on the Monday before they flew out. * Away to Fulham on the SUNDAY before the UEFA Cup final. Not the Saturday that Rangers are being asked to play on, but the FRICKING SUNDAY. Now, according to Lord Murray's self-declared rules, that should mean we all consider the English Premiership the joke of world football. Don't we? Anyone? Secondly, and non-Middlesbrough related this year, the FA Cup is scheduled four days before the Champions League final. Is Darth Murray seriously trying to tell us that this would have been moved should Chelsea or Man United have been gracing the Wembley Turf? Myth: The SPL should follow the Russian FA's lead. Yes, the Russian FA have postponed Zenit's matches before the UEFA Cup final, and fair play to them. But this being cited as a precedent is completely insane. St. Petersburg, literally Baltic, play in a summer league, meaning that they are only a few games into their season... they have the luxury of playing with a whole year's fixture list. If only Walter could turn back time and ask for some games to be frivolously postponed to help Rangers. Ironically, the two postponements this year, ?for the greater good,? were Rangers at home to Lyon, and Scotland at home to Italy. Both were humped. Secondly, and covered above, have Zenit actually had their fixtures moved, or are Rangers trying to pull the same Lyon trick again? 'Fib': ?We're doing it for Scotland? Just like Rangers had Scotland's best interests in mind when they tapped-up and poached Scotland's manager, in the middle of one of their most spectacular attempts at qualifying for a finals tournament in many years? And where were the media when Kenny McDowell admitted that Smith had offered him a job at Ibrox BEFORE Beloved Walter had even handed in his notice at the SFA? Were Rangers, ?doing it for Scotland,? when they withdrew five players from the squad to face Croatia. Weir managed to evade even being called up, but four were out injured, including Christian Dailly with a BROKEN FOOT; luckily, a trip to Lourdes healed everyone enough to play in the league match the following weekend. 'Fib': ?It's to help win the UEFA Cup? If Rangers want the UEFA Cup so badly that they want to inconvenience the other eleven teams, then why can't they now play a play a back-up team against Dundee United so that only they are inconvenienced? Or, failing that, move the Dundee United game to after the UEFA final, and play their last four games in a week, finishing on the Thursday? Remember, Bolton deliberately got themselves knocked out of Europe to concentrate on league matters. Rangers made sure that they deflected extension talk as long as possible until there was no other alternative but to extend the league. I speculate that their current tantrum is a much to do with them shampooting it over the league slipping away a it is to do with the party line. And where are the journos putting these questions to Rangers? QUOTE ?We never have, and we never will ask for an extension,? Walter Smith ?We want an extension,? Martin Bain ?It's a ****ing joke we never had an extension,? Emperor Murray 'Fib': ?Celtic got help in the Seville Season? Again, Rangers and the press are trying to cite Celtic's similar up run as another precedent. In 2003, the season was NOT extended. In fact, Celtic were forced to play all pre-split games before the split, a decision that made Ian MacLeod consider taking the league to the Court of Session. Compare and contrast with Rangers, who get to play St Mirren (one of their pre-split games) after the split. In that season, only one game was brought forward, Celtic v Dundee ? and that was thanks to Jim Duffy at Dundee, not SPL politics and shenanigans. Only one team was inconvenienced by that shift, not eleven. And while we're on postponements, this is how other teams get on at the SPL. Aberdeen were not allowed to move their pre-Copenhagen match in 2007. This was despite Rangers having done so a few weeks earlier. In October last year, Kilmarnock had to play a match in October with only 5 subs (3 of whom were too injured to play). Mentioned earlier, Dundee United were told to get on with it a few days after Phil O'Donnell died yards away from some of their players. And, our favourite, from September 2000: QUOTE (bbc) "Rangers have denied the club have been deliberately obstructive by refusing to postpone their Premier League match against Hearts on Sunday. The Tynecastle club return back to Scotland late on Friday afternoon after their Uefa Cup first round game against Stuttgart. Hearts had asked the Ibrox club to put back the game, but Rangers turned down their request after consultation with manager Advocaat. But in a similar situation last October the Edinburgh outfit agreed to switch a fixture between the two clubs to help Rangers' Champions League campaign." "I don't know what they're (Celtic) complaining about, they should just get on with it, I wish we were in their position," Alex McLeish, 2003." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dont know for a fact that all your quotes are factual but nice post. Our league is a laughing stock but only to most non OF fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Awesome post. Great research. If you send it to the Daily Record I'm sure they'll publish it. Aye right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 .....well when you put it like that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nice bit of copy and paste. http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=573&Itemid=35 This has been posted on two threads already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddiemac Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 wonderful post eck ,whether some of it was pasted or not is irrelevent,i would be surprised if many jambos read celtic underground or any celtic website for that matter. i am not surprised by the usual spiel coming out of ibrox , but the annoying thing is how these b****** in the media try to brainwash people while mocking anybody who doesn't pander to murray and the huns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 wonderful post eck ,whether some of it was pasted or not is irrelevent,i would be surprised if many jambos read celtic underground or any celtic website for that matter. i am not surprised by the usual spiel coming out of ibrox , but the annoying thing is how these b****** in the media try to brainwash people while mocking anybody who doesn't pander to murray and the huns. I may have posted something similar earlier but, just as then, my starting point was really that the Hun ( feck this RFC respectful crap any more ) appeared to have 'created' the Lyon postponement rumour themselves and it really beggars belief that nobody got their erse in a sling for that. The press turned a blind eye AS USUAL so I'm, afraid the the whole weegie midden can go and **** itself C'mon the Zenit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkneyjambo Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 For heavens sake ban yersel from Kickback ! What an embarrassing eejit ! You read celtic crap,you even know where to find it, you copy it and then you get caught out. If you are a jambo you will be suitably ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddiemac Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 For heavens sake ban yersel from Kickback ! What an embarrassing eejit ! You read celtic crap,you even know where to find it, you copy it and then you get caught out. If you are a jambo you will be suitably ashamed. the main difference is pal that what is printed here is 100% true unlike the crap we are being bombarded with by murray and his lackeys in the media everybodys to blame except the huns, the guy is only giving us the facts , i for one will not be able to read these facts anywhere else . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the North Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 For heavens sake ban yersel from Kickback ! What an embarrassing eejit ! You read celtic crap,you even know where to find it, you copy it and then you get caught out. If you are a jambo you will be suitably ashamed. Everything he posted was spot on - the huns have made their bed, let the dirty b****ds lie in it. Why so keen to defend the dirty huns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 During the last month non-old firm fans have been alarmed, but not surprised, by the myths and 'fibs' peddled by Rangers and the Scottish Media. Indeed, not one journo has dared to speculate that the predicament Rangers are in is mostly of their own making, or has offered a non-jingoistic catalyst for a change to the schedule. Here is have a look at the most common soundbytes often dished out as incontrovertible evidence. 'Fib': Rangers have had no help from the SPL. . . . . . . . . . "I don't know what they're (Celtic) complaining about, they should just get on with it, I wish we were in their position," Alex McLeish, 2003." That is an article waiting to be published - if there was a newspaper with the guts and the impartiality to do so!!! Wait a minute! There is no such beast in the Scottish Media!!! Well done my man!!! .................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eck1874 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 For heavens sake ban yersel from Kickback ! What an embarrassing eejit ! You read celtic crap,you even know where to find it, you copy it and then you get caught out. If you are a jambo you will be suitably ashamed. I have never been on a celtic website in my life. the article was e-mailed to me at work and I thought it would be something every other non old firm fan should be able to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 On another day I might have supported Rangers request However I find it hard to look at 'the facts' in isolation and I just cant help but include the litany of past incidents where they have done everything but 'help the Scottish game' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 For heavens sake ban yersel from Kickback ! What an embarrassing eejit ! You read celtic crap,you even know where to find it, you copy it and then you get caught out. If you are a jambo you will be suitably ashamed. Just because an article appears on here, doesn't mean the OP stole it from a Celtic website. It may well have originated from there, and it certainly looks like a piece written by a Celtic supporter, but articles like this get copied and pasted all the time, and sent on to whoever might be interested. I really don't care who wrote it to be honest, I think it deserves a place on every fans football forum for everyone else to see, and draw their own conclusions on. It's certainly difficult to disagree with any of it that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Just because an article appears on here, doesn't mean the OP stole it from a Celtic website. It may well have originated from there, and it certainly looks like a piece written by a Celtic supporter, but articles like this get copied and pasted all the time, and sent on to whoever might be interested. I really don't care who wrote it to be honest, I think it deserves a place on every fans football forum for everyone else to see, and draw their own conclusions on. It's certainly difficult to disagree with any of it that's for sure! Correct John I've been more than disappointed by some of the comments on similar threads, where the posts intriguing content has been tossed aside to make way for needless pro- Celtic / anti Hun digs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Just because an article appears on here, doesn't mean the OP stole it from a Celtic website. It may well have originated from there, and it certainly looks like a piece written by a Celtic supporter, but articles like this get copied and pasted all the time, and sent on to whoever might be interested. I really don't care who wrote it to be honest, I think it deserves a place on every fans football forum for everyone else to see, and draw their own conclusions on. It's certainly difficult to disagree with any of it that's for sure! The point I was making about copy and paste was : Ben Dover had already posted this material, via the link and had the OP looked at the board, he would know the info was already " in the public domain" Didn't mean to cause such a stir! It was meant to be tongue in cheek. The points made are valid and rangers supporters on here can't see how they, ( rangers) have treated the scottish game for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The point I was making about copy and paste was : Ben Dover had already posted this material, via the link and had the OP looked at the board, he would know the info was already " in the public domain" Didn't mean to cause such a stir! It was meant to be tongue in cheek. The points made are valid and rangers supporters on here can't see how they, ( rangers) have treated the scottish game for decades. I wasn't having a dig at you mate, I was more having a dig at Orkneyjambo for some OTT comments to be fair, I didn't see the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I wasn't having a dig at you mate, I was more having a dig at Orkneyjambo for some OTT comments to be fair, I didn't see the need. No problem, I know it wasn't a dig at me. I just thought I had better make it clear, I didn't mean to cause a storm in a tea cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 No problem, I know it wasn't a dig at me. I just thought I had better make it clear, I didn't mean to cause a storm in a tea cup. Lol, after reading your views on the other thread, we sing from the same hymn sheet mate. FTOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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