Wilson Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Rangers have denied the club have been deliberately obstructive by refusing to postpone their Premier League match against Hearts on Sunday. The Tynecastle club return back to Scotland late on Friday afternoon after their Uefa Cup first round game against Stuttgart. Hearts had asked the Ibrox club to put back the game, but Rangers turned down their request after consultation with manager Dick Advocaat. But in a similar situation last October the Edinburgh outfit agreed to switch a fixture between the two clubs to help Rangers' Champions League campaign. Rangers, however, are refusing to budge and believe Hearts have ample time to recover from their excursions on the continent. Practical football reasons Rangers' secretary/director Campbell Ogilvie told The Herald: "We were asked by Hearts an hour and half before the Dundee game last Saturday that they would like the game postponed, but for practical football reasons we turned down that request. "What can't be forgotten is that we contacted Hearts in the first place to tell them we were perfectly happy to have the game moved from the Saturday to the Sunday because of their European commitments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We felt we wanted to have the game played on Sunday as we have only had two games out of six so far this season played at home, and we would like to have more than that under our belts Campbell Ogilvie, Ibrox secretary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We felt we wanted to have the game played on Sunday as we have only had two games out of six so far this season played at home, and we would like to have more than that under our belts. "The club are keen to get some home games played, and, to be honest we hear that Hearts will stay over in Stuttgart on Thursday and have an early afternoon flight back on Friday. "So realistically they should get a good night's sleep on Thursday, not have their sleep patterns disrupted, and return again to Edinburgh about four o'clock on Friday afternoon before a game on Sunday, and we didn't see a problem with that." Seething However, Rangers' comments and stance over Sunday's game have left the Tynecastle club seething. Public relations chief executive Douglas Dalgleish said: "We received a request from Rangers last season to postpone the fixture to assist in their Champions League campaign. "Hearts decided that we would like to see Rangers progress in the tournament because it would be good for everyone in Scottish football and therefore we agreed to the request. "I'm sure everyone will agree getting back on Friday afternoon is not ideal preparation for a match as important as against Rangers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure everyone will agree getting back on Friday afternoon is not ideal preparation for a match as important as against Rangers Douglas Dalgleish, Hearts' public relations chief executive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Also there are a lot of important fixtures coming up and we asked for a postponement to allow us to be in better shape for these matches. "However, Rangers have rejected our request to postpone the match and it's fair to say that we are disappointed, especially in view of the fact that we gave Rangers a similar opportunity last season." Fixture wrangle Scottish Premier League spokesman Alec Barr said the league would not intervene to sort out the fixture wrangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewood Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Link? Would shut a few folk up i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 9, 2008 Author Share Posted May 9, 2008 Link? Would shut a few folk up i know. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/football/teams/r/rangers/923069.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Legend. before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! Virtually every team that reaches a cup final doesn't get given weeks off either, it'll be enough to **** them off if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 9, 2008 Author Share Posted May 9, 2008 Virtually every team that reaches a cup final doesn't get given weeks off either, it'll be enough to **** them off if nothing else. That's the idea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Virtually every team that reaches a cup final doesn't get given weeks off either, it'll be enough to **** them off if nothing else. Agree - just pre-warning you of the likely comebacks mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I was shattered at the game on the saturday after Stuttgart...Worth it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Ingram Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I was on the official flight to Stuttgart as a fan, unbelievable delays (thats what speeded up their cancellation request, from memory, the game had already been moved to Sunday). Plane didnt turn up, then eventually did and we had missed our slot.. baking hot, sat on the tarmac for four hours!! Doors open, able to use mobiles etc! Dont think into Edinburgh until something like 7pm on the Friday. Oh, and Robinson was a liar even then... told us the fans' hotel was merely a short run from the city centre. 30 quid in a taxi it was!! Breast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! OK...but they are arguing that Saturday onto Wednesday is too much, that is more time off than the level they considered to be acceptable for us. They set the precedent in Scottish football for this and now, as usual, they want Scottish football to roll over yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flogel98 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I was on the official flight to Stuttgart as a fan, unbelievable delays (thats what speeded up their cancellation request, from memory, the game had already been moved to Sunday). Plane didnt turn up, then eventually did and we had missed our slot.. baking hot, sat on the tarmac for four hours!! Doors open, able to use mobiles etc! Dont think into Edinburgh until something like 7pm on the Friday. Oh, and Robinson was a liar even then... told us the fans' hotel was merely a short run from the city centre. 30 quid in a taxi it was!! Breast. I too was on that flight. Knackered on return. I had my dad and my son who was only 10 at the time with me - his first Euro jaunt and they were both out of it. What hotel did youstay in - mine was the one in Leoburg IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! Correct! But yet again, the "Anti-Rangers FC/I See Bigotry Everywhere Brigade" jump in with both feet without paying any attention whatoever to the facts. There have been many similar instances, the most hilarious being the rabid poster who stated that Murray brought Souness to Ibrox as the introduction to a post stuffed full of incoherent ramblings. Therapist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish1979 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 But yet again, the "Anti-Rangers FC/I See Bigotry Everywhere Brigade" jump in with both feet. Is there a particular reason that any of us should be "pro-rangers"? They're a universally despised institution outside their own fans, and a miserable, torn faced, mewling bunch of scheidtbags to boot. FTR. Hope the League Cup is the highlight of their season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Is there a particular reason that any of us should be "pro-rangers"? Where have I ever suggested anyone should be pro-Rangers FC? What I have said is there are far too many PC-wannabes on here who see bigotry when it doesn't exist and are desperate to condemn Rangers FC even when the facts don't back up their argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwull22 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Is there a particular reason that any of us should be "pro-rangers"? They're a universally despised institution outside their own fans, and a miserable, torn faced, mewling bunch of scheidtbags to boot. FTR. Hope the League Cup is the highlight of their season. But that would mean Celtic winning the league:evilno: Rangers can GTF in the other 2 comps tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Rangers can lick my hoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish1979 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Where have I ever suggested anyone should be pro-Rangers FC? What I have said is there are far too many PC-wannabes on here who see bigotry when it doesn't exist and are desperate to condemn Rangers FC even when the facts don't back up their argument. Cool. Apologies for misunderstanding your point. There are, however, many reasons aside from bigotry to detest Rankers. I urge everybody to learn all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! I cant recall the exact event /timing but I think, at the time at least, it appeared to be a very short break even by the standards of the day. Also the club's point may have been that our pre-match routine was now all to ****** with the players probably needing a good day in bed on the Friday and any get together or specialist tactical sessions would have to take place on the Saturday ( players home life being disrupted ...blah blah ) Of course we've now got used to matches being scheduled all over the place for TV and just have to make the best of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Where have I ever suggested anyone should be pro-Rangers FC? What I have said is there are far too many PC-wannabes on here who see bigotry when it doesn't exist and are desperate to condemn Rangers FC even when the facts don't back up their argument. I'm curious as to why you place a big capitalised 'FC' suffix every time you refer to the huns or Chelsea? There are a lot of decent Rangers fans, there are a lot of decent Celtic fans, both clubs also have large **** elements....both are worthy of our equal contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I'm curious as to why you place a big capitalised 'FC' suffix every time you refer to the huns or Chelsea?There are a lot of decent Rangers fans, there are a lot of decent Celtic fans, both clubs also have large **** elements....both are worthy of our equal contempt. He just loves them but has a soft spot for Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish1979 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 pre-match routine was now all to ****** with the players probably needing a good day in bed on the Friday Genius. Though that was probably closer to Graham "Who's your daddy?" Rix's pre-match preparation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 there are a lot of decent Celtic fans :eek: :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! JR, I think this is the main point. It should be and is the same for everyone. Unless under extreme circumstances, games should not be moved or cancelled. You take your chances with whatever tournament you are in or the way the draw might turn out. At the start of the season the SFA, SPL and SFL (I'm saying SFL due to 2 reasons - 1) they are the custodians of the League Cup and 2) I just have a feeling the way the game is going more and more First Divisions clubs might be in with a chance of the Scottish Cup Final and the SFL have to seriously reconsider their play-off sysytem) need to get together and agree a fixed and rigid fixture list. I am sure this is the way it goes anyway but I believe there should only be a very small set of circumstances where fixture dates can be changed:- - Minor (i.e over the weekend) scheduling changes due to media contract commitments. - Postponements / abondonment of games due to adverse weather conditions. These games should then be played at the first available opportunity. - Cancellation of club games to aid the National Team should be negotiated before the start of the season and built into the Programme fixture list. Personally I wouldn't cancel any. - Tragic circumstances involving significant loss of life whether it be players or fans. I strongly believe football should be very similar to real life in that it goes on. The only clubs significantly affected by the P O'D tragedy were Motherwell (and Gretna due to a reliance on M'Well) and the Dundee United players. All other games on 2nd January should have been played. We have minutes silences, funerals and rememberance services to pay individual respect. Also, while we have this stupid split, the first set of 33 games have to be played prior to the start date of remaining 5. It great to be flexible but there are times it just doesn't work and leads to even more chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cruckie cookie Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The bit in the OP's posts that hits home for me is the comments from Ogilvie about them wanting to get some more home games under their belts as they have only played 2:evilno: Get it right uppem I say:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! I think the main bug bear (pardon the pun) was that Hearts helped Rangers only a season before with a request to help them in a CL match, and they didn't return the favour when it was expected of them to do so, a kind of gentelmans agreement if you like, only Rangers don't do gentelmens agreements and basically suit themselves whenever they like, at whatever they like. I see your point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I think the main bug bear (pardon the pun) was that Hearts helped Rangers only a season before with a request to help them in a CL match, and they didn't return the favour when it was expected of them to do so, a kind of gentelmans agreement if you like, only Rangers don't do gentelmens agreements and basically suit themselves whenever they like, at whatever they like. I see your point though. Correct! If the tories are the 'nasty party' then glasgow rangers are the 'nasty football club' in my opinion. They are only reaping what they themselves have previously sown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 before you go off on one, you should probably realise that Hearts were arguing that playing on a sunday after a thursday game was too much. given that every team that plays in uefa cup plays on a sunday almost every time, we didn't really have much of a case! Yes, but you also have to remember the flight was delayed and that caused problems too. As some have stated they didn't get home until Friday evening!! Very valid point when asking for a postponement IMHO. The OF have it there way far too often, and I for one am glad they have been brought down a peg or two. Even if it means they lose ( oh I hope so) and an extra place is lost. Everything the OF do is a blight on the rest of the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 :eek: :eek: To be honest with you mate, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't have too many friends and given your views on here; I'd imagine the few that you do have will have a permanent scowl, be rather red of face, tatooed and with friction burns on their knuckles. There are indeed many decent Celtic fans, I work with several through here in Glasgow, I also work with decent Rangers fans, Partick Thistle fans, Killie fans etc etc. An individuals choice of football team does not have to be based on political views or other sociological factors. Football at the end of the day is not bloody life and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 To be honest with you mate, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't have too many friends and given your views on here; I'd imagine the few that you do have will have a permanent scowl, be rather red of face, tatooed and with friction burns on their knuckles. There are indeed many decent Celtic fans, I work with several through here in Glasgow, I also work with decent Rangers fans, Partick Thistle fans, Killie fans etc etc. An individuals choice of football team does not have to be based on political views or other sociological factors. Football at the end of the day is not bloody life and death. No, it's more important than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 No, it's more important than that. Words which Bill Shankly never uttered, much the same way that John Wayne never said: "Get off your horse and drink your milk" in any of his films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in leith Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 :eek: :eek: I'm assuming you're not serious, but just in case........ When you meet someone for the first time do you immediately ask them who they support? Even the weegies tend to be a bit more subtle by asking which school you went to. If not, how can you tell who they support? Collectively I have much more of a problem with Huns than Tims, but some of the nicest people I've met are Huns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 You could argue that Hearts request was just after a minor game in European terms (but big for Hearts obv) and this is the Uefa cup final, something Scottish sides dont get to that often. For some reason I'm coming round to the idea of helping the huns & Extending the season again. As much as I hate them. It's not going to happen now anyways so should just drop the matter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Words which Bill Shankly never uttered, much the same way that John Wayne never said: "Get off your horse and drink your milk" in any of his films. Not a lot of people know that. Perhaps they could play it again sam. Lost in Leith: you could ask " is your mother well" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 OK...but they are arguing that Saturday onto Wednesday is too much, that is more time off than the level they considered to be acceptable for us. They set the precedent in Scottish football for this and now, as usual, they want Scottish football to roll over yet again. AGree. I've said that elsewhere, that if Rangers are only being asked to do Saturday Wednesday Saturday, thats the same as all other teams. Rangers have no case here. On the other hand - it is a UEFA cup final. What I think scottish football should do though, is make a rule that in future (not this time), ANY scottish team that makes european final (and maybe semi's?) are entitled to postponement of the league game on the Saturday before it if they so wish. I think this would take away all the arguments in future, and would not happen very often, but would maximise the chances of victory should a scottish team get that far.... And I think if a scottish team gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 You could argue that Hearts request was just after a minor game in European terms (but big for Hearts obv) and this is the Uefa cup final, something Scottish sides dont get to that often. For some reason I'm coming round to the idea of helping the huns & Extending the season again. As much as I hate them. It's not going to happen now anyways so should just drop the matter now. The other big difference was that we wanted the game after europe postponed (i.e. asking another spl team to help us in the spl) as opposed to before the big european match (asking another spl team to help us in europe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The other big difference was that we wanted the game after europe postponed (i.e. asking another spl team to help us in the spl) as opposed to before the big european match (asking another spl team to help us in europe). Sorry JR, I personally think rangers are asking for the postponement to help them win the league, and the cup is a smoke screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Sorry JR, I personally think rangers are asking for the postponement to help them win the league, and the cup is a smoke screen. You're entitled to your opinion mate. I don't care all that much, but was just pointing out how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The other big difference was that we wanted the game after europe postponed (i.e. asking another spl team to help us in the spl) as opposed to before the big european match (asking another spl team to help us in europe). Yeah, true. I agree with the rule change too. Or simply make the Scottish cup final date a week later than it is just now IF There is a team still in Europe come the Scottish cup Semi's. I cannae believe I'm actually starting to feel sorry for them but if by some miracle Hibs made it to the final I would be major p-d off if the match before wasn't cancelled. Celtic got theres cancelled before the final and who cares if some countries dont cancell? We're Scotland, a nation that Euro finals dont happen very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Yeah, true. I agree with the rule change too. Or simply make the Scottish cup final date a week later than it is just now IF There is a team still in Europe come the Scottish cup Semi's. I cannae believe I'm actually starting to feel sorry for them but if by some miracle Hibs made it to the final I would be major p-d off if the match before wasn't cancelled. Celtic got theres cancelled before the final and who cares if some countries dont cancell? We're Scotland, a nation that Euro finals dont happen very often. That's the point Rocky. If this happened to hibs, or any team for that matter their fans would be spitting feathers. However, I can't beleive for one minute, you would have rangers and celtic fans taking up space on their boards to the same extent it has here.The OF have raped Scottish football for years and for that reason alone, I will never support them in any request they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 On the other hand - it is a UEFA cup final. What I think scottish football should do though, is make a rule that in future (not this time), ANY scottish team that makes european final (and maybe semi's?) are entitled to postponement of the league game on the Saturday before it if they so wish. I think this would take away all the arguments in future, and would not happen very often, but would maximise the chances of victory should a scottish team get that far.... To be honest I am stunned that there isn't a set of rules for this kind of thing already??? Surely the admin people behind Scottish football need to take some time out over the summer (they could use the Euro 2008 window as it really has nothing at all to do with us...) and sit round a table to agree items like this and get all clubs to sign up before the season starts. We have now had two clubs in European finals in five years. Time to agree a policy. No problem if the choice is to clear the finalists schedule for 7 days before the match (the Celtic break was luck not planning)....However, agree it as an ongoing rule for all...not the week before!!! Same for any requests to move matches (i.e. Gretna v Rangers) during the season to ease European situation. Make the rule, make it clear. Surely now a policy in terms of "tragic and external" events. This is not a regular event but surely it should be considered and then everyone is clear what will happen. If we want to take a scenario that was embarrassing for Scottish football it was the fact that D Utd had to play their match against us while the Old Firm sat it out... Scotland matches...if the SFA want matches off then the whole SPL card is moved...it is not as if we don't know the Scotland matches before we kick off the SPL season and let us not forget that the EURO campaign was about many matches. Maybe we would have qualified if we had planned better and eased fixtures before every round of matches?. I think was a mistake to move these fixtures this year anyway and should not be repeated. However, again agree it up front and make it clear that this is the policy. Maximum number of games in any one set of days....right, the offices of the SFA, SPL and SFL are all in the same building!!!! The only wild card is UEFA who as "Bert" and his excellent web site tells us can confirm every potential match date through to the end of 2010. So they can get together and agree a maximum number of matches that can be played in any set of days or a minmum number of days that must be between matches. Will they all learn from this situation? Will they sort it and come up with rules?.....no they will bumble on from year to year..shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 To be honest I am stunned that there isn't a set of rules for this kind of thing already??? Surely the admin people behind Scottish football need to take some time out over the summer (they could use the Euro 2008 window as it really has nothing at all to do with us...) and sit round a table to agree items like this and get all clubs to sign up before the season starts. We have now had two clubs in European finals in five years. Time to agree a policy. No problem if the choice is to clear the finalists schedule for 7 days before the match (the Celtic break was luck not planning)....However, agree it as an ongoing rule for all...not the week before!!! Same for any requests to move matches (i.e. Gretna v Rangers) during the season to ease European situation. Make the rule, make it clear. Surely now a policy in terms of "tragic and external" events. This is not a regular event but surely it should be considered and then everyone is clear what will happen. If we want to take a scenario that was embarrassing for Scottish football it was the fact that D Utd had to play their match against us while the Old Firm sat it out... Scotland matches...if the SFA want matches off then the whole SPL card is moved...it is not as if we don't know the Scotland matches before we kick off the SPL season and let us not forget that the EURO campaign was about many matches. Maybe we would have qualified if we had planned better and eased fixtures before every round of matches?. I think was a mistake to move these fixtures this year anyway and should not be repeated. However, again agree it up front and make it clear that this is the policy. Maximum number of games in any one set of days....right, the offices of the SFA, SPL and SFL are all in the same building!!!! The only wild card is UEFA who as "Bert" and his excellent web site tells us can confirm every potential match date through to the end of 2010. So they can get together and agree a maximum number of matches that can be played in any set of days or a minmum number of days that must be between matches. Will they all learn from this situation? Will they sort it and come up with rules?.....no they will bumble on from year to year..shocking! Agree with all you say. And as you suggest, the worst bit is, they probably won't learnt from it, and won't have rules in place for next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Celtic got theres cancelled before the final and who cares if some countries dont cancell? We're Scotland, a nation that Euro finals dont happen very often. I hate both of the old firm clubs...however, the Celtic line is not true. There was no game scheduled for them to be cancelled. The two issues here are... Rangers went all out to win four trophies, good luck to them, but do NOT expect other clubs to now help you along the way. In the case of Dundee United this weekend what is more important to them qualification to an actual UEFA cup spot this season or risk that in the hope that some extra future UEFA cup spot may come into the SPL (that they have no guarantee that they might get anyway). If there is a genuine case here where Scottish football needs to change then do it properly over the summer and learn the lessons and create clear rules for future seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I hate both of the old firm clubs...however, the Celtic line is not true. There was no game scheduled for them to be cancelled. The two issues here are... Rangers went all out to win four trophies, good luck to them, but do NOT expect other clubs to now help you along the way. In the case of Dundee United this weekend what is more important to them qualification to an actual UEFA cup spot this season or risk that in the hope that some extra future UEFA cup spot may come into the SPL (that they have no guarantee that they might get anyway). If there is a genuine case here where Scottish football needs to change then do it properly over the summer and learn the lessons and create clear rules for future seasons. I thought Celtic played there match on the Weds, a week before the final instead of the Saturday. Could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 That's the point Rocky. If this happened to hibs, or any team for that matter their fans would be spitting feathers. However, I can't beleive for one minute, you would have rangers and celtic fans taking up space on their boards to the same extent it has here.The OF have raped Scottish football for years and for that reason alone, I will never support them in any request they make. Yeah, very true. **** them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Separate issue perhaps but this might not have happened if there hadn't been the outrageous UEFA Cup 'parachute' caper for teams who, quite simply, couldn't cut it in the early stages of the CL ? Aye ok we've benefited from it to some degree ( sadly not making the grade in either ) but that really wants to be looked at too as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I thought Celtic played there match on the Weds, a week before the final instead of the Saturday. Could be wrong though. Apologise, you are correct, it was brought forward after agreement between the two clubs, not the SPL. However, Rangers didn't have this option as they already had a match scheduled for this slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Rangers have been the makers of their own downfall on this one. They needlessly called off two old firm matches and then did not perform in the Scottish cup, yet they still think they have a god given right to get everything their own way in the SPL. As far as I am concerned they can GTF - I am glad that they are not having any fixtures moved. FTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBalboa Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Apologise, you are correct, it was brought forward after agreement between the two clubs, not the SPL. However, Rangers didn't have this option as they already had a match scheduled for this slot. Yeah true. I repeat, **** them - although I hope they win today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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