Colonel Kurtz Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 We went to 4 3 3 too late last night,and matched falkirks formation. Shaggy must see that 2 holding midfielders,with no one running beyond the strikers or making decisive passes does not work. In 86 we played this formation and our best football for decades. Wallace,Eggy and pazelousos like last night however is not the balance. Oh for a Colin Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 We went to 4 3 3 too late last night,and matched falkirks formation.Shaggy must see that 2 holding midfielders,with no one running beyond the strikers or making decisive passes does not work. In 86 we played this formation and our best football for decades. Wallace,Eggy and pazelousos like last night however is not the balance. Oh for a Colin Cameron Forget your full backs, your strikers, your wide right man and your back up centre halfs. An attacking midfield player who can drive on goal, make chances and take some himself is an absolute must for the balance of the team. We havent had one since Hartley left and in most games its stuck out like a sore thumb. Barry Nicholson might fit the bill but we havent previously gone for players that are right under our noses so I dont suppose we'll be going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Don Cowie has scored 9 goals from centre midfield in his debut season for Inverness Caley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Don Cowie has scored 9 goals from centre midfield in his debut season for Inverness Caley. He takes their penalties does he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboRossi79 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 He takes their penalties does he not? Nope couldn't see him taking any pens this season, only Wilson and Rankin as far as I could see have taken any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Don Cowie is good in football manager. Signed him for Hearts, ended up being my captain for 5 years in which I got 2nd twice and a cup win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 If we were to play 3 in midfield,then they would have to be good as they would be aginst 4 most weeks. The 86 midfield had balance Screpis needs a chance left and we would have to decide between eggy or Paz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csaba's Broon Shoes Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 We went to 4 3 3 too late last night,and matched falkirks formation.Shaggy must see that 2 holding midfielders,with no one running beyond the strikers or making decisive passes does not work. In 86 we played this formation and our best football for decades. Wallace,Eggy and pazelousos like last night however is not the balance. Oh for a Colin Cameron The scary thing is Shaggy doesn't see that 2 holding midfielders dosen't work and he keeps comming out with statistics about having the best form since the new year and how we would be third however he seems to forget we are playing in the bottom 6 and it was he who more often than not goes with 1 striker if you want to call him that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 The scary thing is Shaggy doesn't see that 2 holding midfielders dosen't work and he keeps comming out with statistics about having the best form since the new year and how we would be third however he seems to forget we are playing in the bottom 6 and it was he who more often than not goes with 1 striker if you want to call him that 4-5-1 should really become 4-3-3 when in attack if the wide midfielders (wingers) will do their job properly and support the lone striker - the attacking midfielder needs to get into the box to support also - so in effect the formation becomes 4-2-3-1.......if we can find a good striker Gary Glen's best position is probably attacking from deeper in a Hartley / Cameron type role - he's too good a footballer to restrict him to being a goal-poacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thig Ar Latha Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 4-5-1 should really become 4-3-3 when in attack if the wide midfielders (wingers) will do their job properly and support the lone striker - the attacking midfielder needs to get into the box to support also - so in effect the formation becomes 4-2-3-1.......if we can find a good striker Gary Glen's best position is probably attacking from deeper in a Hartley / Cameron type role - he's too good a footballer to restrict him to being a goal-poacher. Bruno can play this when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csaba's Broon Shoes Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 4-5-1 should really become 4-3-3 when in attack if the wide midfielders (wingers) will do their job properly and support the lone striker - the attacking midfielder needs to get into the box to support also - so in effect the formation becomes 4-2-3-1.......if we can find a good striker Gary Glen's best position is probably attacking from deeper in a Hartley / Cameron type role - he's too good a footballer to restrict him to being a goal-poacher. You sound like shaggy 4-5-1 should really become 4-3-3 when in attack When we all know the personel do not have a clue how to adapt in matches Gary Glen has performed superb but only against ICT and St Mirren so we should not put too much pressure on him playing regularly next season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csaba's Broon Shoes Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Bruno can play this when fit. No he cannae , hardly an attacking midfielder that makes late runs into the box . When is he ever likely to be fit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 You sound like shaggy 4-5-1 should really become 4-3-3 when in attack When we all know the personel do not have a clue how to adapt in matches Gary Glen has performed superb but only against ICT and St Mirren so we should not put too much pressure on him playing regularly next season . I am not saying we should over-play Glen or expect too much from him too soon - all i am saying is from what i've seen he can play the 'No.10' position very well - indeed I'd argue is possibly his best position rather than an out & out striker - he likes to get on the ball & get involved in build up play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Bruno can play this when fit. Eh, no, he can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftie Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I have just posted something similar.............. the problem we have is we are far too negative or defenive. Palazuelos, Jonsson, Stewart, Aguir, Screpis are all midfielders who prefer to pass ............. for me they are all too alike. Not one of them offers anything different, they are all very neat and tidy footballers. If you are going to play a defensive midfielder for me it is Jonsson ..... I thought Stewart might be able to do the Cameron\Hartley role but he doesnt have the pace to do so. Ruben/Aguiar are virtually identical players ...the first thing they want to do is go backwards. I think Ruben flatters to deceive to be honest ..... we need somebody in central midfield to burst forward. Personally id always play Larry through the middle with Jonsson, and invest in some half decent wide players. We are just torture to watch at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Andy Driver could be the left striker in the 4-3-3. Maybe Chesney or Miko the right sided striker. But we don't have a centre forward who can hold the ball - and this is vital in this sort of formation. In addition, the only midfield player with the range and energy levels necessary for a 3 man midfield is Jonsson. I think our best formation this year has been 4-4-2. I guess that formation has had better results than any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I despise the 4-5-1 formation And whilst the reality is that it is supposed to become a 4-3-3 in attack, because it doesnt have specialist "3" up front in that formation it is rarely exciting and fluid in attack One problem with our midfield in the last 2 years is predominantly lightweight mediocre wingers. With 2 such players in the team the balance wasnt right unless we had 2 more holding type central midfielders - which we never played. When we moved to Wallace as a more solid left sided midfielder the other night, the fact we then had him and 2 holding midfielders and Kingston who wasnt keen to play outwith about a 30 metre strip of pitch on the right hand side (20 metres into their half, 10 metres into ours) meant we literally did just have a wall of 4 in the midfield who were totally detached from our strikers The reality is there has been no real structure to our signing policy since Burley left We havent as much targeted certain positions but just gone for what is on the market and fits Vlad's criteria whatever the position, whatever the players suitability or otherwise to the SPL, whatever their mentality etc Whether we are cost cutting or not our signing policy needs to be much more structured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I prefer a 4-4-2 with diamond shaped midfield. I could see Ruben or Eggert in front of the defence with Larry on the right, Screpis on the left and a Mark Kerr type player just behind the front two. One of my strikers would stay fairly central at all times, with the other striker making the runs to create space for the main striker and attacking midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurooba Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I despise the 4-5-1 formation I don't despise the system but I don't think we can play it. I think our problem when we play it is that the wingers can't focus on going forward as much as they need too because they have to cover for our full backs who I don't think are good enough. If our wingers could concentrate on going forward without too much constraint then I think we could play this formation with Driver and Miko out wide. Then again I could be talking p*sh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I don't despise the system but I don't think we can play it. I think our problem when we play it is that the wingers can't focus on going forward as much as they need too because they have to cover for our full backs who I don't think are good enough. If our wingers could concentrate on going forward without too much constraint then I think we could play this formation with Driver and Miko out wide. Then again I could be talking p*sh! No, not talking pesh. But it proves the point that you need to have the right blend of players to play the system You shouldnt shoe-horn players not suited to a formation into that formation And to be fair, Kingston and Miko must be the 2 least back tracking wide midfielders in the SPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambojambo Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I despise the 4-5-1 formation So do I - especially when Clum plays lone striker. That ends up 4 - 5 - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Like it or not, one of the best examples of how this formation can work was, IMO, displayed by Hibs. Killen up top, while carrying a goal threat, was also strong enough to hold the ball up and link the play and was well supported in attack with Riordan/Sproule wide and the likes of Brown supporting from the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 We'd get hammered if we play two wingers two strikers and an attacking centre midfielder. That is almost 5 up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 We'd get hammered if we play two wingers two strikers and an attacking centre midfielder. Hence why Vlad needs to drop his "two wingers" approach, as he's been needing to do since he fired Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 We'd get hammered if we play two wingers two strikers and an attacking centre midfielder. That is almost 5 up front. I didn't mention 2 strikers. The Hibs formation I was talking about was along the lines of: Killen Riordan --------- Brown --------- Sproule Thomson -------------Beuzelin which, without the ball, pretty much became: Killen Riordan -- Thomson -- Brown -- Beuzelin -- Sproule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I didn't mention 2 strikers. The Hibs formation I was talking about was along the lines of: Killen Riordan --------- Brown --------- Sproule Thomson -------------Beuzelin which, without the ball, pretty much became: Killen Riordan -- Thomson -- Brown -- Beuzelin -- Sproule Correct! The dazzling Ajax team of the 1990's that reached 2 Champions League finals was one of the first teams to play a 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 formation..... ie Kleivert Overmars Litmannen R.DeBoer Davids Seedorf Which when defending against the likes of Milan & Juventus became Kleivert Overmars Davids Litmannen Seedorf R.DeBoer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 The 4 teams competing in the Euro finals all play 4-5-1 but that is unacceptable at Tynecastle. We must play two up front!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 The 4 teams competing in the Euro finals all play 4-5-1 but that is unacceptable at Tynecastle. We must play two up front!!! The 4 teams competing in the Euro finals all have strikers capable of playing the lone striker role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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