CJGJ Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130215/top-20-best-supported-clubs-europe-revealed-where-does-your-club-rank-191763?p=19 One or two you may not have thought of... and surprising result from Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130215/top-20-best-supported-clubs-europe-revealed-where-does-your-club-rank-191763?p=19 One or two you may not have thought of... and surprising result from Scotland. Hooped Demons will be submitting a dossier as we speak!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Would be interesting to know how many of the Sellick and Sevco fans are glory hunters from Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The Germans are certainly doing something right. Their crowds are tremendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The most impressive one for me is Fortuna. They've been gash for years and still pull in crowds like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Amazed that Hibs aren't up there just behind Barca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron 5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Shows the importance of getting the ticket price to product quality correct. See Germany for details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Shows the importance of getting the ticket price to product quality correct. See Germany for details. Also the fact they have 80 million people in their country. We have 6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Shows the importance of getting the ticket price to product quality correct. See Germany for details. Also the fact they have 80 million people in their country. We have 6 million. Both comments are correct IMO. The German set up is a lot light years a head of scotland who put all thier eggs in two baskets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Sellick have lost 7k average this season then? The Radgurs will be loving the self importance. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs Mind however Hertha have lost at least 14k - must be seething! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auldy19 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What is that flag about on the Celtic picture about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashishere Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What is that flag about on the Celtic picture about?? champions league final is at Wembly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The Sellick figures isn't a surprise they have had a big drop on their SPL home attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The Sellick figures isn't a surprise they have had a big drop on their SPL home attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Also the fact they have 80 million people in their country. We have 6 million. The German league slashed prices years ago when attendances started to slump in the 90s. They figured fill the stadium and get the same money as a 3/4 full stadium - it worked really well - not sure if prices went back up though. Some grounds also have standing sections in Germany and atmosphere is really good at games. Oh and they have a reasonably good competitive league. The figures in this survey must be wrong though as I work with a Rangers fan and he reckons they get an average attendance of 100,000 at home games - he thinks that big gates make them better than other teams - my answer is always the same - just because 10 zillion flies like the taste of shite doesn't mean I want to eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmackenzie14 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 ticket prices are 15 euros a ticket no matter what game it is, champs league,europa league, big derbys... not sure about kids ticket or concession ticket prices though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 ticket prices are 15 euros a ticket no matter what game it is, champs league,europa league, big derbys... not sure about kids ticket or concession ticket prices though. I paid ?31.50 to see us play dundee midweek, scottish football eh? Quite happy to give the club the money at the moment but it is a crap state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Shows the importance of getting the ticket price to product quality correct. See Germany for details. I read this over and over, and whilst a nice thought the German clubs can only do this because they get massive TV revenue to subsidise the low prices.. If Scottish clubs did this - wed have to go part time or go bust as already pathetic revenues would be more than halved.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Wheres Aberdeen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Wheres Aberdeen? 1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 German clubs have massive economies of scale in their favour with both the population and as a consequence the large media deal the Bundesliga has. The main difference between the EPL and the Bundesliga is that German clubs used their media deal to keep the ticket prices low, the EPL clubs handed the TV cash to players and agents instead. The SPL has neither the population or media income to draw on in order to have lower ticket prices, meaning clubs have to charge top buck for an inferior product, with the population unlikely to grow by much, the only chance we have of lower ticket prices is if Sky or BT finally start giving the SPL clubs and decent deal for their TV rights instead of treating the league as an inconvenience in their scheduling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauriesrank Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Shows the importance of getting the ticket price to product quality correct. See Germany for details. Yep, 12 quid to watch Bayern will do for me! Too many glory hunters not from Glasgow love the bigots and it really isn't surprising at all that those two are up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gilbert Wauchope Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Both comments are correct IMO. The German set up is a lot light years a head of scotland who put all their eggs in two b*st*rds. Fixed that for you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappuccino Kid Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I read in one of the papers last week that although sevco are claiming sell outs, strathclyde police have said the actual attendances at the past 4 games have been between 8 & 10 thousand lower than claimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yep, 12 quid to watch Bayern will do for me! Too many glory hunters not from Glasgow love the bigots and it really isn't surprising at all that those two are up there. Bayern tickets are actually quite expensive. Typically ?40+ for home Bundesliga games. They can do this because Munich is a very wealthy city and Bayern have more international appeal than most other German clubs. http://tickets.telegraph.co.uk/bayern-munchen-vs-werder-bremen-tickets/allianz-arena-munich/23-february-2013/E-1008222/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 ticket prices are 15 euros a ticket no matter what game it is, champs league,europa league, big derbys... not sure about kids ticket or concession ticket prices though. If you're talking about Germany, this is not necessarily true. It will depend where you're sitting in the stadium. Last season I paid over 40 euros to see Cologne against Leverkusen and the season before that even more to see Bayern in a CL group stage match. I do agree that Germany has, without a shadow of a doubt, got the whole thing about as right as it is possible to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 TGFITW getting hosed off a third division mob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 German clubs have massive economies of scale in their favour with both the population and as a consequence the large media deal the Bundesliga has. The main difference between the EPL and the Bundesliga is that German clubs used their media deal to keep the ticket prices low, the EPL clubs handed the TV cash to players and agents instead. The SPL has neither the population or media income to draw on in order to have lower ticket prices, meaning clubs have to charge top buck for an inferior product, with the population unlikely to grow by much, the only chance we have of lower ticket prices is if Sky or BT finally start giving the SPL clubs and decent deal for their TV rights instead of treating the league as an inconvenience in their scheduling. Thanks, you just did my job for me. So many people just turn around and say look at the prices, without looking at how and what else they do in germany. `Yes some standing seats are really cheap for members, but even lower down the division, about 15-20? a ticket, are you say ?5 is the difference between u going to a game or not? nonsense, its the cost of everything else that all adds up, for example many cities in germany transport to the game is free with a match ticket. Beers are sold inside & outside the stadium at decent prices, sometimes like in berlin 1? a pint! The biggest difference between both countries is how the fans view the club, in Germany it is "their" club, thru physical ownership & emotional bond with the club, where as here it is "his/they" club attitude from us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 By the way, last weekend's attendance in the Bundesliga 2 derby between Hertha and Union Berlin at the Olympic Stadium: 74,244. Raging that I'm not going to Berlin until next week and there's no football on while I'm there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauriesrank Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Bayern tickets are actually quite expensive. Typically ?40+ for home Bundesliga games. They can do this because Munich is a very wealthy city and Bayern have more international appeal than most other German clubs. http://tickets.teleg...2013/E-1008222/ Sorry, should've said when they're away, but no matter, the product is till better than anything, any other European country (excepting Spain) have to offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 By the way, last weekend's attendance in the Bundesliga 2 derby between Hertha and Union Berlin at the Olympic Stadium: 74,244. Raging that I'm not going to Berlin until next week and there's no football on while I'm there. you could go to FC Energie Cottbus v SSV Jahn Regensburg, its on sunday at 1.30. Cottbus is only about 40 mins on the train from Berlin, nice wee stadium at cottbus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 you could go to FC Energie Cottbus v SSV Jahn Regensburg, its on sunday at 1.30. Cottbus is only about 40 mins on the train from Berlin, nice wee stadium at cottbus Cheers buddy, but I'm coming back on Sunday. I'll just have to devote myself to other cultural pursuits, such as sampling as much local beer as my ageing frame will take. Anyone remember the name of that sports bar people were talking about on a previous Berlin thread that shows masses of football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Winning most weeks because you're playing SPL players against part timers, novelty of new opposition, cheap tickets (in comparison to what you're used to paying). Nah, I'll not be patting them on the back and congratulating them for getting good numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Cheers buddy, but I'm coming back on Sunday. I'll just have to devote myself to other cultural pursuits, such as sampling as much local beer as my ageing frame will take. Anyone remember the name of that sports bar people were talking about on a previous Berlin thread that shows masses of football? this place http://www.fcmagnetbar.de/news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 this place http://www.fcmagnetbar.de/news Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des' Dad Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Wheres Aberdeen? North of Dundee on the North East coast of Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What part was meant to be a surprise?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Winning most weeks because you're playing SPL players against part timers, novelty of new opposition, free tickets. Nah, I'll not be patting them on the back and congratulating them for getting good numbers. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Thanks, you just did my job for me. So many people just turn around and say look at the prices, without looking at how and what else they do in germany. `Yes some standing seats are really cheap for members, but even lower down the division, about 15-20? a ticket, are you say ?5 is the difference between u going to a game or not? nonsense, its the cost of everything else that all adds up, for example many cities in germany transport to the game is free with a match ticket. Beers are sold inside & outside the stadium at decent prices, sometimes like in berlin 1? a pint! The biggest difference between both countries is how the fans view the club, in Germany it is "their" club, thru physical ownership & emotional bond with the club, where as here it is "his/they" club attitude from us! I heard someone this week on the radio say that in Germany lots of the clubs are sporting clubs rather than just football clubs. So they have e.g tennis facilities, hockey pitches, gyms etc that local people are members off. So although the match attendance is say 40,000, the actual club membership can be several hundred thousand. i.e they make far more income from non-football supporting members than match day sales as the club is seen as part of the community, not a faceless corporate organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Rangers fans go on about having the highest attendance in Div 3, ******* great, that's like being kept back a year at school and saying your the tallest in your class. They need to get a grip!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I heard someone this week on the radio say that in Germany lots of the clubs are sporting clubs rather than just football clubs. So they have e.g tennis facilities, hockey pitches, gyms etc that local people are members off. So although the match attendance is say 40,000, the actual club membership can be several hundred thousand. i.e they make far more income from non-football supporting members than match day sales as the club is seen as part of the community, not a faceless corporate organisation. This is true. It's the same in many other European countries. Even a club like Bayern Munich which emphasises the "FC" in its official title (as opposed to clubs like Dortmund and Hamburg whose names make it clear that football is only part of their origins and activities) promotes and finances other sports. For example, it has a basketball section which runs 25 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Nothing at all from Ligue 1. No PSG, no Lyon, no Marseille. Not a single team from a country with roughly the same population as the UK. Is it a historical thing or is it simply because the French league is, frankly, as dull as ditchwater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Nothing at all from Ligue 1. No PSG, no Lyon, no Marseille. Not a single team from a country with roughly the same population as the UK. Is it a historical thing or is it simply because the French league is, frankly, as dull as ditchwater? It's both I'd say. But then, of all football's major countries, France are the only one without a genuine nationwide passion for the sport. Bizarre, given they invented the World Cup, European Championship and the European Cup! But much as parts of France (but only parts) prefer rugby, there's something about the French which means they're generally far happier sneering at professional sport than getting truly into it. It's comical how quickly they'll turn on their own players at Roland Garros, or their own rugby team at the Stade de France... and only one country could ever have invented a publication as magnificent as L'Equipe. Whose so-sharp-it'll-cut-itself take on things is an absolute joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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