kljambo Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Andy WEbster on the radar of Ipswich Bolton and Legia Warsaw so it looks like WIlson has been secured before he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Not a surprise I suppose, just have to hope that the skipper doesn't follow him out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 That is probably the worst news possible. Would've been delighted had this been Zaliukas. The reason- Zaliukas is gone. He's on too much. He won't be here next season. If Zaliukas and Webster leave I'd hope there'd be enough to offer Wilson a decent deal for next season. If not, we're messed for next season already unless McKay comes in and is absolutely brilliant alongside Dylan McGowan. Which I can't see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldcastlerock2012 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 That is probably the worst news possible. Would've been delighted had this been Zaliukas. The reason- Zaliukas is gone. He's on too much. He won't be here next season. If Zaliukas and Webster leave I'd hope there'd be enough to offer Wilson a decent deal for next season. If not, we're messed for next season already unless McKay comes in and is absolutely brilliant alongside Dylan McGowan. Which I can't see. We're not really in a position to choose who to sell. We need to get at least one of them off the wage bill. Would be very surprised if we signed Wilson permanently whatever happens. We're going to be offering St MIrren type wages for the forseeable future and Wilson will want more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 That is probably the worst news possible. Would've been delighted had this been Zaliukas. The reason- Zaliukas is gone. He's on too much. He won't be here next season. If Zaliukas and Webster leave I'd hope there'd be enough to offer Wilson a decent deal for next season. If not, we're messed for next season already unless McKay comes in and is absolutely brilliant alongside Dylan McGowan. Which I can't see. Tbh both will be away, just a question of when. Although we might keep one..just to cover my arse in splinters..and it'll likely be "stroller" but who knows? Zal clearly has highest ? factor at the moment so any fee we can get this windae has to be taken and as he's on ?17k a week and costs us a goal a game won't be missed. Folk have mentioned Holland. Does this mean that NAC Breda are interested at last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We're not really in a position to choose who to sell. We need to get at least one of them off the wage bill. Would be very surprised if we signed Wilson permanently whatever happens. We're going to be offering St MIrren type wages for the forseeable future and Wilson will want more than that. If we got rid of Webster and Zaliukas I'd hope we'd offer Wilson at least ?4k a week as we could afford it IMO. What's worrying is that the likes of Kilmarnock seem to be showing a higher income than Hearts in their accounts these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If we got rid of Webster and Zaliukas I'd hope we'd offer Wilson at least ?4k a week as we could afford it IMO. What's worrying is that the likes of Kilmarnock seem to be showing a higher income than Hearts in their accounts these days Didn't know that was true about Killie. Their hotel must be doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I had heard Webster was/is happy to stay and does not really want to move . Not that he might have a choice if the right offer comes in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If we got rid of Webster and Zaliukas I'd hope we'd offer Wilson at least ?4k a week as we could afford it IMO. What's worrying is that the likes of Kilmarnock seem to be showing a higher income than Hearts in their accounts these days Well not quite, hearts T/O is still 3rd biggest but killies investment in hotel is now paying back so they are 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Rom?n Riquelme Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I had heard Webster was/is happy to stay and does not really want to move . Not that he might have a choice if the right offer comes in . I imagine when you're getting to his age and you've got a young family its probably not the sort of time you'd be looking to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachearts Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 There will be the usual speculation sorrounding Webster and Zal with us bringing in Wilson but I would take it with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Webster wants to stay and will be offered a new deal apparently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Mate at work knows Webster, the kids are in same class at school so wifes have become mates. Bottom line is that they are decent grounded people and they don't want to move away. It would take serious money to get them to up sticks as they are happy and have comfortable life though not at all flashy. In my opinion and this is total speculation is the deal we offer may all hinge around length rather than wage as to whether acceptable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBjambo Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Sell Zal and give Andy a 3 year deal with an eye on turning him into a coach after... Best solution IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If we got rid of Webster and Zaliukas I'd hope we'd offer Wilson at least ?4k a week as we could afford it IMO. What's worrying is that the likes of Kilmarnock seem to be showing a higher income than Hearts in their accounts these days 4k a week would get you a lot of defenders. Lets see how wilson does before giving him a 5 year deal. If you think that killies hotel making money equates to them having lots to spend your wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Odds on Chick mentioning NewCo are in on the deal on Sportsound today? Edit - should be on DW thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balmain Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Price Waterhouse Coopers, conducting the review for the 23rd time, analysed each club?s staff cost in terms of movement from the previous year and how it measured up to the turnover of the club. ABERDEEN Wage bill: ?5.09m Difference from 2010: Up ?492,000 Turnover: ?7.46m Wage to turnover ratio: 68% CELTIC Wage bill: ?32.66m Difference from 2010: Down ?3.82m Turnover: ?52.56m Wage to turnover ratio: 6% DUNDEE UNITED Wage bill: ?3.83m Difference from 2010: Down ?129,000 Turnover: ?5.21m Wage to turnover ratio: 74% HAMILTON Wage bill: ?1.23m Difference from 2010: Down ?14,000 Turnover: ?2.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 42% HEARTS Wage bill: ?8.76m Difference from 2010: Down ?350,000 Turnover: ?7.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 116% HIBS Wage bill: ?4.8m Difference from 2010: Up ?50,000 Turnover: ?7.03m Wage to turnover ratio: 69% INVERNESS Wage bill: ?2.03m Difference from 2010: Up ?421,000 Turnover: ?3.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 57% KILMARNOCK Wage bill: ?3.77m Difference from 2010: Down ?272,000 Turnover: ?7.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 53% MOTHERWELL Wage bill: ?3.53m Difference from 2010: Up ?175,000 Turnover: ?5.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 59% RANGERS Wage bill: ?28.58m Difference from 2010: Up ?448,000 Turnover: ?57.18m Wage to turnover ratio: 50% ST JOHNSTONE Wage bill: ?2.72m Difference from 2010: Up ?193,000 Turnover: ?4.08m Wage to turnover ratio: 67% ST MIRREN Wage bill: ?2.21m Difference from 2010: Down ?744,000 Turnover: ?3.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 71% Killie's hotel does bring in a fair bit of cash but not much profit. These figure are not the most up to date but it give an idea of where the clubs are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whats the chances of Webster doing a Gowser and going to any club willing to give us a good fee for him? Nah me either. Pre-contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 CELTIC Wage bill: ?32.66m Difference from 2010: Down ?3.82m Turnover: ?52.56m Wage to turnover ratio: 6% I dont think the % figure is correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Price Waterhouse Coopers, conducting the review for the 23rd time, analysed each club?s staff cost in terms of movement from the previous year and how it measured up to the turnover of the club. ABERDEEN Wage bill: ?5.09m Difference from 2010: Up ?492,000 Turnover: ?7.46m Wage to turnover ratio: 68% CELTIC Wage bill: ?32.66m Difference from 2010: Down ?3.82m Turnover: ?52.56m Wage to turnover ratio: 6% DUNDEE UNITED Wage bill: ?3.83m Difference from 2010: Down ?129,000 Turnover: ?5.21m Wage to turnover ratio: 74% HAMILTON Wage bill: ?1.23m Difference from 2010: Down ?14,000 Turnover: ?2.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 42% HEARTS Wage bill: ?8.76m Difference from 2010: Down ?350,000 Turnover: ?7.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 116% HIBS Wage bill: ?4.8m Difference from 2010: Up ?50,000 Turnover: ?7.03m Wage to turnover ratio: 69% INVERNESS Wage bill: ?2.03m Difference from 2010: Up ?421,000 Turnover: ?3.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 57% KILMARNOCK Wage bill: ?3.77m Difference from 2010: Down ?272,000 Turnover: ?7.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 53% MOTHERWELL Wage bill: ?3.53m Difference from 2010: Up ?175,000 Turnover: ?5.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 59% RANGERS Wage bill: ?28.58m Difference from 2010: Up ?448,000 Turnover: ?57.18m Wage to turnover ratio: 50% ST JOHNSTONE Wage bill: ?2.72m Difference from 2010: Up ?193,000 Turnover: ?4.08m Wage to turnover ratio: 67% ST MIRREN Wage bill: ?2.21m Difference from 2010: Down ?744,000 Turnover: ?3.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 71% Killie's hotel does bring in a fair bit of cash but not much profit. These figure are not the most up to date but it give an idea of where the clubs are at. Couple of important things to note. Hearts turnover figure is for an 11 month period and secondly, the retail arm was spun off into a seperate business. The spinning off of the retail arm means that Hearts will only show the percentage of profits they get from merchandise in their accounts as opposed to the full turnover of that side of the business. Thus turnover is probably understated by ?1 to ?1.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We're not really in a position to choose who to sell. We need to get at least one of them off the wage bill. Would be very surprised if we signed Wilson permanently whatever happens. We're going to be offering St MIrren type wages for the forseeable future and Wilson will want more than that. Complete and utter tosh. Hearts have double the turnover and treble the crowds of St Mirren. Providing UBIG maintain the current level of interest on the debt, we'll still have at least double the wage bill of the likes of St Mirren and Motherwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balmain Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Couple of important things to note. Hearts turnover figure is for an 11 month period and secondly, the retail arm was spun off into a seperate business. The spinning off of the retail arm means that Hearts will only show the percentage of profits they get from merchandise in their accounts as opposed to the full turnover of that side of the business. Thus turnover is probably understated by ?1 to ?1.5 million. Those figures are for a 12 month period. It was the following year which was for an 11 month period, where turnover dipped to ?6.9m. The missing month was June. These are 2011 figures, when was retail spun off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudiboy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whats the chances of Webster doing a Gowser and going to any club willing to give us a good fee for him? Nah me either. Pre-contract. Harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I had heard Webster was/is happy to stay and does not really want to move . Not that he might have a choice if the right offer comes in . Been told that as well. he's willing to take a wage cut and wants to finish his career with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Those figures are for a 12 month period. It was the following year which was for an 11 month period, where turnover dipped to ?6.9m. The missing month was June. These are 2011 figures, when was retail spun off? Think it may have been 2010. I'm sure hospitality income was also spun off and recently taken back in house, but I may have picked that up wrong. If Hearts turnover is not well in excess of the likes of Motherwell and St Mirren given matchday attendances etc, then something is seriously wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 To be fair it seems nearly every club have got their business model in order now and Scottish football is now living within it's means all be it a lot of those clubs have large debt in the background. The only caution about these figures is that what is declared may not be what is going on in reality, i.e. looking at rangers would suggest all is well meanwhile at that time they had ebt's going on. We are just going through the pain now what others went through 3-4 years ago. Also killies hotel may sound like a great way to generate cash but it nearly bankrupt them and i think they still have huge debt sitting their because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kljambo Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 Been told that as well. he's willing to take a wage cut and wants to finish his career with us. Best option of the 3 i would say as maybe a bigger fee for Zal or Db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whats all this chat about Killies hotel? I must have missed this the first time round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Price Waterhouse Coopers, conducting the review for the 23rd time, analysed each club?s staff cost in terms of movement from the previous year and how it measured up to the turnover of the club. ABERDEEN Wage bill: ?5.09m Difference from 2010: Up ?492,000 Turnover: ?7.46m Wage to turnover ratio: 68% CELTIC Wage bill: ?32.66m Difference from 2010: Down ?3.82m Turnover: ?52.56m Wage to turnover ratio: 6% DUNDEE UNITED Wage bill: ?3.83m Difference from 2010: Down ?129,000 Turnover: ?5.21m Wage to turnover ratio: 74% HAMILTON Wage bill: ?1.23m Difference from 2010: Down ?14,000 Turnover: ?2.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 42% HEARTS Wage bill: ?8.76m Difference from 2010: Down ?350,000 Turnover: ?7.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 116% HIBS Wage bill: ?4.8m Difference from 2010: Up ?50,000 Turnover: ?7.03m Wage to turnover ratio: 69% INVERNESS Wage bill: ?2.03m Difference from 2010: Up ?421,000 Turnover: ?3.54m Wage to turnover ratio: 57% KILMARNOCK Wage bill: ?3.77m Difference from 2010: Down ?272,000 Turnover: ?7.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 53% MOTHERWELL Wage bill: ?3.53m Difference from 2010: Up ?175,000 Turnover: ?5.96m Wage to turnover ratio: 59% RANGERS Wage bill: ?28.58m Difference from 2010: Up ?448,000 Turnover: ?57.18m Wage to turnover ratio: 50% ST JOHNSTONE Wage bill: ?2.72m Difference from 2010: Up ?193,000 Turnover: ?4.08m Wage to turnover ratio: 67% ST MIRREN Wage bill: ?2.21m Difference from 2010: Down ?744,000 Turnover: ?3.13m Wage to turnover ratio: 71% Killie's hotel does bring in a fair bit of cash but not much profit. These figure are not the most up to date but it give an idea of where the clubs are at. Interestingly the club with the 2nd best wages to turnover ratio has since been liquidated and it's b@$ t@rd offspring plays in the 4th tier of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Sell Zal and give Andy a 3 year deal with an eye on turning him into a coach after... Best solution IMO. Would be very happy to see this, given that they won't both be staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Been told that as well. he's willing to take a wage cut and wants to finish his career with us. If his family situation is as mentioned above it would be a sensible move for him, rather than chasing an extra few grand next year down south then playing for Motherwell or St Johnstone for buttons the year after. If this is true about his intentions, hopefully the club are shrewd and far-sighted enough to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Webster moving would be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whats all this chat about Killies hotel? I must have missed this the first time round? they built park hotel next to ground cost them about 7m i think and they include it's turnover into their figures hence they seem to be over performing financially and on par with us income wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 they built park hotel next to ground cost them about 7m i think and they include it's turnover into their figures hence they seem to be over performing financially and on par with us income wise. Cool never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Maybe signing Wilson on loan to the view of signing him permanently is at last the start of good organisation with next season in mind? We live in hope anyway. I think our disorganisation pre-season over the years has led to a few of our mediocre seasons among the good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Does anybody honestly think that Hearts made the decision to get Wilson in on loan with the thought of losing Webster or Zal ?? No chance, far to sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Rixxy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If we got rid of Webster and Zaliukas I'd hope we'd offer Wilson at least ?4k a week as we could afford it IMO. What's worrying is that the likes of Kilmarnock seem to be showing a higher income than Hearts in their accounts these days 4k? I'm confident that he'll be able to get a deal much better than that down south or with the gruesome. He is likely on at least treble that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Sell Zal . Who would buy him,and for how much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 4k? I'm confident that he'll be able to get a deal much better than that down south or with the gruesome. He is likely on at least treble that right now. yeah he's up here to get games under his belt and put himself in shop window. People should remember since breaking through at rangers he's only had about 40 first team games and Liverpool bought him for the future. It's a terrific signing but I'm sorry to say i very much doubt it's anything other than a short term fix for all concerned. Did he not sign a four year contract with them so if he's on even 10k a week then you just need to do the maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 People would rather keep him.... Over him.....? No player at this club loves it more than Captain fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjambo190512 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We need to keep webster n zaliukas n get rid of other high earners like driver taoul stevenson etc we dont concede many goals thank to our central pairing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The decision on who people want to stay or go isn't being based on personality it's based on balancing ability and finance. Is zal worth double the wages of webster? if zal going frees up wages to bring in three players in summer is that worth it? No one wants either of them to go, no one wanted gowser to go but we live in tough economical times and most people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The lack of interest in Zaliukas has always puzzled me, no more so than this year where he's been outstanding all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We need to keep webster n zaliukas n get rid of other high earners like driver taoul stevenson etc we dont concede many goals thank to our central pairing Why would Stevenson leave? We need to get rid of our biggest earners. Zal and driver fall into that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The lack of interest in Zaliukas has always puzzled me, no more so than this year where he's been outstanding all the time. It's never puzzled me.He's a donkey playing in a pub league.Nobody outside of JKB rates him-funny that. He'll end up playing semi pro,just like Silky/Bouzid/The Kello ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Been told that as well. he's willing to take a wage cut and wants to finish his career with us. Thats good to hear. Just with how zal and webster have played together the last few years, it would be a shame to see either go, I think however Zal would take a pay cut, where else can he go without seriously upsetting his life ? MLS or lower league russia (Maybe upper npower league 1) so basicly european football and enjoy a decent career after making good money, to drop down to decent money and enjoy the same career (Figure in my head is 9k down to 4.5k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 It's never puzzled me.He's a donkey playing in a pub league.Nobody outside of JKB rates him-funny that. He'll end up playing semi pro,just like Silky/Bouzid/The Kello ect. The national manager of Lithuania seems to rate him also. He may well be over rated by some on here but he's still a very capable defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The national manager of Lithuania seems to rate him also. He may well be over rated by some on here but he's still a very capable defender. Don't pay this clown any attention, he's a Hibby (or non-Jambo anyway) who spends his entire existence winding up strangers on the internet. (I don't mean you Jezza, hope that was clear! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Don't pay this clown any attention, he's a Hibby (or non-Jambo anyway) who spends his entire existence winding up strangers on the internet. (I don't mean you Jezza, hope that was clear! ) True. Surely he must have some reasoned debate in him though. :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyHMFC1994 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Webster wants to stay and will be offered a new deal apparently! :really: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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