shaun.lawson Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 More cheap, populist sabre-rattling from Argentina's demented disaster of a leader: http://image.guardia...A025BE01F03.pdf Inflation in Argentina is running at 25%, Senora Presidenta. Maybe you'd like to try and tackle that instead of indulging in this bollocks? And maybe you'd also like to pay heed to this graffiti in Buenos Aires, while you're at it: Still, if I were the FA, I'd be organising a friendly against Chile. In Port Stanley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 A politician sabre rattling while the country goes down the tubes. Who would have thought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Argentina itself was formed out of colonialism. Spanish settlers slaughtered the Incas and took their land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Argentina itself was formed out of colonialism. Spanish settlers slaughtered the Incas and took their land. Weren't the Incas on the West coast as opposed to the East? So that would be Chile and Peru as opposed to Argentina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Weren't the Incas on the West coast as opposed to the East? So that would be Chile and Peru as opposed to Argentina The Inca Empire expanded into parts of whats is now Argentina. Laughable that a nation founded on the foundations of the most brutal forms of colonialism is deriding Britain for their colonialism The people of the Falklands want to remain British, that should be the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 FREE THE PEOPLE OF PATAGONIA FROM IMPERIAL TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE INVADERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'll review the sitch when I arrive. In 5 days time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'll review the sitch when I arrive. In 5 days time Over a steak at Cabanas Las Lilas, I hope. I once sat at a table next to someone who I'm 99% convinced was Enzo Francescoli in Patio Bulrich in BsAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pardon my ignorance but what is there worth fighting for? My Stepdad was there in the Navy and said all they had to do was watch Puffins stepping onto land mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pardon my ignorance but what is there worth fighting for? My Stepdad was there in the Navy and said all they had to do was watch Puffins stepping onto land mines There's a wee bit of oil there now, but that's **** all to do with CFK's claims to the place. Argentina is awash with oil and has potential on its own shores; they have more than enough or that to keep themselves busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Jung Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 FREE THE PEOPLE OF PATAGONIA FROM IMPERIAL TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE INVADERS How is the viewed in SA Shaun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 There's a wee bit of oil there now, but that's **** all to do with CFK's claims to the place. Argentina is awash with oil and has potential on its own shores; they have more than enough or that to keep themselves busy. Would imagine the fishing rights might have something to do with it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 How is the viewed in SA Shaun? Extremely badly. The line in the ad about the Malvinas being a cause "embraced by Latin America" is a bare faced lie - unless, of course, she means 'embraced' as in "oi, Argentina - stop interfering and leave those Islanders in peace". There is such a thing as Latin American solidarity - just never, ever with Argentina, many of whose people are convinced they're actually European, yet deposited by some inexplicable miracle of geography into the wrong continent. Still, I'll be encountering plenty of rich Argentinians in Punta del Este next week: I shall report back on my experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Jung Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Extremely badly. The line in the ad about the Malvinas being a cause "embraced by Latin America" is a bare faced lie - unless, of course, she means 'embraced' as in "oi, Argentina - stop interfering and leave those Islanders in peace". There is such a thing as Latin American solidarity - just never, ever with Argentina, many of whose people are convinced they're actually European, yet deposited by some inexplicable miracle of geography into the wrong continent. Still, I'll be encountering plenty of rich Argentinians in Punta del Este next week: I shall report back on my experiences. Interesting, I didn't appreciate Argentina was viewed that way. Always fancied going there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Interesting, I didn't appreciate Argentina was viewed that way. Always fancied going there though. Argentinians are hated in Chile, unbelievably unpopular in Uruguay, and not on too many Brazilians' Christmas card lists either. Plus, if Uruguayans go on their holibobs to Spain or Italy, they're almost always asked by hoteliers, "you're not Argentinian, are you?", and greeted with a huge sigh of relief when they answer in the negative. It's actually very unfair, and plainly almost all based on a stereotype. But Argentina's rep in Latin America is awfully like France's rep in Europe, it seems to me - but not, please note, England's around the world. People might assume that the English are wildly unpopular in this part of the world; the reality, in my experience at least, is more like the total opposite. Language and music are the reasons for that, I find; and, of course, football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Argentina is an ex-colony and the people are extremely mixed - even their Spanish has an Italian accent and there's lots of indigenous blood there. I reckon the UK should abide by the UN, as they expected Saddam to do. All in all, it's pretty sad that we want to hang on to some far flung remnant of an Empire. UN Resolutions Resolution 2065 (XX) Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 16 December 1965 The General Assembly, Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory, Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands, 1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); 2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations. Source: www.un.org/documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Extremely badly. The line in the ad about the Malvinas being a cause "embraced by Latin America" is a bare faced lie - unless, of course, she means 'embraced' as in "oi, Argentina - stop interfering and leave those Islanders in peace". There is such a thing as Latin American solidarity - just never, ever with Argentina, many of whose people are convinced they're actually European, yet deposited by some inexplicable miracle of geography into the wrong continent. Still, I'll be encountering plenty of rich Argentinians in Punta del Este next week: I shall report back on my experiences. Not sure that this is the case. This from Wiki: Peru, Brazil, Chile and Mexico officially support the Argentine claim over the Falklands and the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands,[84] and have voiced their support at international organisations.[85][86][87][88] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 It's not just oil, it's also strategically important in regards to Antarctica and any UK claims on land and, of course, any mineral reserves there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Zzzz, as others have said, sabre rattling as a deflection technique from lying about the state of the domestic situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 It's not just oil, it's also strategically important in regards to Antarctica and any UK claims on land and, of course, any mineral reserves there. And also a heavy dose of patriotism and national pride, more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 First thing I was going to say was that the Argentina should be returned to the native peoples. Then we can chat about the Falklands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Should have fought harder in 1982 if they wanted them so badly. *******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Not sure that this is the case. This from Wiki: Peru, Brazil, Chile and Mexico officially support the Argentine claim over the Falklands and the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands,[84] and have voiced their support at international organisations.[85][86][87][88] Yes. The governments do. There'd be too much strife if they didn't, so they do so for a quiet life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yes. The governments do. There'd be too much strife if they didn't, so they do so for a quiet life. And, indeed, who cares if they do or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 ] I reckon the UK should abide by the UN, as they expected Saddam to do. All in all, it's pretty sad that we want to hang on to some far flung remnant of an Empire. Would it not be better for the people of the Falkland Islands to have a Yes/No referundum to decide on their own independence? :'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Argentina is an ex-colony and the people are extremely mixed - even their Spanish has an Italian accent and there's lots of indigenous blood there. I reckon the UK should abide by the UN, as they expected Saddam to do. All in all, it's pretty sad that we want to hang on to some far flung remnant of an Empire. Saddam Hussein annexed a sovereign state. The Falklands were never Argentina's at any point - meaning it's not even a question of returning them. We'd be giving them to Argentina - and acting against the basic principle of self-determination in the process. Your lack of respect for that principle - a cornerstone of democracy - except of course when it applies to Scotland, appals me. Meanwhile, there is an absolute chasm of difference between something advocated by the UN General Assembly. which naturally is full to the brim of post-colonial states who are therefore somewhat, um, easily led on a question such as this, and the UN Security Council. Argentina's invasion of the Falklands in 1982 was in total contravention of international law, which is on the UK's side on this matter. And for all her constant obfuscating and playing silly buggers, Cristina knows it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Saddam Hussein annexed a sovereign state. The Falklands were never Argentina's at any point - meaning it's not even a question of returning them. We'd be giving them to Argentina - and acting against the basic principle of self-determination in the process. Your lack of respect for that principle - a cornerstone of democracy - except of course when it applies to Scotland, appals me. Meanwhile, there is an absolute chasm of difference between something advocated by the UN General Assembly. which naturally is full to the brim of post-colonial states who are therefore somewhat, um, easily led on a question such as this, and the UN Security Council. Argentina's invasion of the Falklands in 1982 was in total contravention of international law, which is on the UK's side on this matter. And for all her constant obfuscating and playing silly buggers, Cristina knows it too. Considering she is 59 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Considering she is 59 though. I'm pretty sure Chavez has been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Considering she is 59 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm pretty sure Chavez has been there. Its not looking good for Hugo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Its not looking good for Hugo... Yup. Sadly, looks like he has hosted his last Alo Presidente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Some amusing comments below this article. There usually are on this website tbf. http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/03/argentina-again-ignores-the-rights-and-wishes-of-the-falkland-islands-people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Reading that article Shaun has linked, it just shows how sad, tyrannical, ignorant and offensive Alba Gu Brath is. If we have an independent Scotland, I don't want him anywhere near part of it. I suggest Salmond doesn't give him a foreign policy gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Some amusing comments below this article. There usually are on this website tbf. http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/03/argentina-again-ignores-the-rights-and-wishes-of-the-falkland-islands-people Look hard enough, and you'd eventually find some (admittedly unamusing) quotes from me on there. And not just in the comments section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Look hard enough, and you'd eventually find some (admittedly unamusing) quotes from me on there. And not just in the comments section. Oooh! Do you write for them, then? Meanwhile: Your President has lied twice on your behalf today: 1) suggesting Argentine civilians were expelled. 2) suggesting that Patagonia was Argentine in 1832. But, absolutely zero evidence as to why the Islands are part of Argentina. No Spanish inheritance No territorial integrity No civilian expulsion No historic claim No moral claim No geographic claim Argentine history in the islands summarised: Colonialist intention, violence, mutiny, murder, rape, retreat, lies, Nazism, cowardice, invasion, cowardice, humiliation, more lies, whining, Botox. British history of the islands: Peaceful colony, shipping, trade, withdrawal, shipping, peaceful settlement for 150 years, bravery, heroism, removal of fascist junta, peaceful settlement for 30 years, massive oil discovery!! Notice the difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Oooh! Do you write for them, then? Meanwhile: Your President has lied twice on your behalf today: 1) suggesting Argentine civilians were expelled. 2) suggesting that Patagonia was Argentine in 1832. But, absolutely zero evidence as to why the Islands are part of Argentina. No Spanish inheritance No territorial integrity No civilian expulsion No historic claim No moral claim No geographic claim Argentine history in the islands summarised: Colonialist intention, violence, mutiny, murder, rape, retreat, lies, Nazism, cowardice, invasion, cowardice, humiliation, more lies, whining, Botox. British history of the islands: Peaceful colony, shipping, trade, withdrawal, shipping, peaceful settlement for 150 years, bravery, heroism, removal of fascist junta, peaceful settlement for 30 years, massive oil discovery!! Notice the difference... The botox bit was uncalled for, leave the lovely honey alone, no need for the personal attacks on wee Cristina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Oooh! Do you write for them, then? Nah, I'm not a journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Nah, I'm not a journalist. But "not just in the comments section". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 But "not just in the comments section". The clue is in the word "quotes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Zzzz, as others have said, sabre rattling as a deflection technique from lying about the state of the domestic situation. Which, IIRC, is exactly what happens everytime the Argentinian domestic situation goes to ratshit. 1982 for starters, and I also vaguely remember the previous president noising us up about it as well a few years back. Oh, and let's be honest, the Argentines won't be getting anywhere near the Falklands from a military standpoint. They now have a flight of Typhoons (which the US Chief of the Air Force said "I have flown all the USAF jets, None was a s good as the Eurofighter", SAMs aplenty (courtesy of a full-time detachment from the RAF Regiment), a Type 45 destroyer which is capable, apparently, of destroying anything in the air or sea up to a range of about 200 miles, and oh, Vanguard-class nuclear attack sub which may, or may not be cruising around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagavulin Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Let the islanders move here if they want to be British. Or else let them go independent. Why should we bankroll an island full of sheep when we could provide for folk at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Let the islanders move here if they want to be British. Or else let them go independent. Why should we bankroll an island full of sheep when we could provide for folk at home? Britain provides foreign affairs and defence at the islanders request, otherwise they are self-governing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Would it not be better for the people of the Falkland Islands to have a Yes/No referundum to decide on their own independence? :' /> Surely a pokey wee land with modest amounts of natural resource deserves a more comprehensive choice than simply "Yes or No" to independence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The clue is in the word "quotes". The only quote in the text that is not from the MLA chappy is: were ?forcibly stripped? from "Forcibly stripped" - surely intended for the Helen Flanagan thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Interesting, I didn't appreciate Argentina was viewed that way. Always fancied going there though. Argentina is a wonderful country to visit, the best I have ever been to. The people are friendly and welcoming to all and the country is stunningly beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Pardon my ignorance but what is there worth fighting for? My Stepdad was there in the Navy and said all they had to do was watch Puffins stepping onto land mines Worthless without youtube cartoon IMO My Great Uncle John worked on the Whaling ships out of South Georgia and claimed it was so shite that even the penguins hated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 There is one of the world's largest oil fields off the coast of the Falklands. However to date it has never been economically viable to exploit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The only quote in the text that is not from the MLA chappy is: "Forcibly stripped" - surely intended for the Helen Flanagan thread? Arf. I meant the website, not the specific article. Anyhoo, never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 There is one of the world's largest oil fields off the coast of the Falklands. However to date it has never been economically viable to exploit it. Nonsense. They have found one modestly sized field, and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Not sure that this is the case. This from Wiki: Peru, Brazil, Chile and Mexico officially support the Argentine claim over the Falklands and the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands,[84] and have voiced their support at international organisations.[85][86][87][88] Alba you realise the Flaklands were settled by Scottish farmers (among others from the UK). Wee Eck might be i n there with his own claim for tartan sovereignty before you know it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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