Deek Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20820887 Some of you may accuse me of trolling, but would you rather of had, Thatcher, Bliar or Cameron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I can't see this lasting long. Especially on a Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 None of the above. It would be interesting to speculate on what things would be like if it hadn't been her, but Callaghan; Foot & Kinnoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Rumour has it that she she named her bladder growth as Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSN1 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Regardless of politics. She's an auld lady. Get better soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20820887 Some of you may accuse me of trolling, but would you rather of had, Thatcher, Bliar or Cameron? My dad is the most humble, generous, selfless, peaceful and charitable person you could ever meet. He is always doing odd jobs for his neighbours and clears and grits everyone's paths in winter. He has even been putting money away each week for years save up to buy a house for somewhere in Africa through SCIAF. My dad used to be a miner and in my 31 years there is only one person I've ever heard my dad speak ill of or show any hatred whatsoever towards. Think that sums up the effect Thatcher has had on many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andi17 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Hope she lasts a few years yet and suffers old cow and reguards to she,s an old lady ian bradys just an auld man fek her . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSN1 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The mines were losing money hand over fist and were shut down for the good of the country as a whole. Sometimes the right choices are not the popular choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The mines were losing money hand over fist and were shut down for the good of the country as a whole. Sometimes the right choices are not the popular choices. 1. The families, communities and entire regions where those mines and all sorts of other forms of heavy industry were? Are they irrelevant or something? 2. How did her government go about this process? With compassion and empathy; or with unadulterated glee, despite the untold human misery and suffering it presided over, which resulted in not one, but two lost generations? And counting. An underclass was created by her government: spawning children with no role models and no hope and, wouldn't you just know it, grandchildren with no role models and no hope too. 3. Having sold off the family silver and embraced monetarism, mass privatisation, de-regulation and "let her rip!" neo-liberalism, how is the UK doing now, exactly? In rude financial health - or largely without a pot to piss in? Go Maggie, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The mines were losing money hand over fist and were shut down for the good of the country as a whole. Sometimes the right choices are not the popular choices. Can't be bothered getting into a debate about whether it was the right choice or not to privatise the coal mines. The bottom line is she went about it completely the wrong way, treated it like a personal war and even referred to the miners as "the enemy within" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The mines were losing money hand over fist and were shut down for the good of the country as a whole. Sometimes the right choices are not the popular choices. So how is coal making a comeback today ? As I said...it would be interesting to speculate on how things would be, if Callaghan; Foot or Kinnoch had won ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 So how is coal making a comeback today ? As I said...it would be interesting to speculate on how things would be, if Callaghan; Foot or Kinnoch had won ! Or even more, if John Smith had lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 We are currently reaping all the benefits of Thatcherism. Plenty of folk warned that the current financial plight would be the outcome of accelerated, unregulated capitalism and credit-fuelled consumerism. Well done Maggie. 20 wild years followed by generations of austerity. What a ******* legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 1. The families, communities and entire regions where those mines and all sorts of other forms of heavy industry were? Are they irrelevant or something? 2. How did her government go about this process? With compassion and empathy; or with unadulterated glee, despite the untold human misery and suffering it presided over, which resulted in not one, but two lost generations? And counting. An underclass was created by her government: spawning children with no role models and no hope and, wouldn't you just know it, grandchildren with no role models and no hope too. 3. Having sold off the family silver and embraced monetarism, mass privatisation, de-regulation and "let her rip!" neo-liberalism, how is the UK doing now, exactly? In rude financial health - or largely without a pot to piss in? Go Maggie, eh? Lawson trying to pass himself off as a social democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Lawson trying to pass himself off as a social democrat. At heart, I am. Just a pragmatic one, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermit the Krog Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The party will be epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Or even more, if John Smith had lived. Given that one Gordon Brown was his Shadow Chancellor there is a good chance that the UK would have cratered years before he actually blew it up! On the subject alternative realities and of miners. I wonder what proportion, ceteris paribus, of the UK deep mining workforce (if the deep mines had been kept in operation and with regard to the massive reserves of coal) would now be Polish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramzan Kadyrov Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Hope she lasts a few years yet and suffers old cow and reguards to she,s an old lady ian bradys just an auld man fek her . God will be her Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 At heart, I am. Just a pragmatic one, that's all. A democratic pragmatist. Start a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 What gets me is all these old Daily Mail Tories moaning about Britain today and "why can't things be like they used to be?" It was Thatcher's 80s that sowed the seeds of what we are now. Oh, and they blew the lottery win of North Sea Oil revenues on maintaining obscenely high levels of unemployment to keep the unions down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The mines were losing money hand over fist and were shut down for the good of the country as a whole. Sometimes the right choices are not the popular choices. Never lost as much money as the banks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Why is it that there is always a wee band of Thatcherites on Kickback? It has to be purely trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 1. The families, communities and entire regions where those mines and all sorts of other forms of heavy industry were? Are they irrelevant or something? 2. How did her government go about this process? With compassion and empathy; or with unadulterated glee, despite the untold human misery and suffering it presided over, which resulted in not one, but two lost generations? And counting. An underclass was created by her government: spawning children with no role models and no hope and, wouldn't you just know it, grandchildren with no role models and no hope too. Scottish mining thrived until the miners strike, we produced coal for power stations, for export and domestic use. In my home county West lothian we mined at Polkemmet where they produced high quality coking coal, which went straight to the furnaces at Ravenscraig which made steel. The steel fed the ship and car industry in the West of Scotland. We had an unbroken chain. When the NUM voted for strike action, Scotland voted against it. But as Yorkshire dominated the vote along with other English reasons they were dragged into the dispute. The dispute put neighbour against neighbour, friend against friend. Polkemmet flooded in August 1984, when NACODS took away safety cover when seven miners went back to work. The result 1500 miners lost their jobs, Ravenscraig lost their fuel and Scottish heavy industry died as a result. It should never have happened. All to appease Scargill who has just lost his case in court trying to get the NUm to pay for his London flat rent until he dies! Scotland may percieve Mrs Thatcher to be a demon, but she was a revolutionary in her own right as opposed to Scargill, who would like to think he was a revolutionary but was in fact an arsehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Given that one Gordon Brown was his Shadow Chancellor there is a good chance that the UK would have cratered years before he actually blew it up! On the subject alternative realities and of miners. I wonder what proportion, ceteris paribus, of the UK deep mining workforce (if the deep mines had been kept in operation and with regard to the massive reserves of coal) would now be Polish? Heh - yes! It's quite curious, though. Three events all had to happen for Thatcher's legacy to be more or less set in stone by the administrations which followed: 1. Thatcher's downfall in 1990. Had she been allowed to remain as PM, she'd have been obliterated at the polls in '92, Kinnock would've taken over, and the cult of Maggie would never have developed to even half the extent it did within the Tory party. Meaning they'd have remained electable, and not instead careered so far rightwards that Blair and Brown could do as they wished for over a decade. 2. The Tories' unexpected victory (predicted by me mind you ) under Major. Again, had they lost - which, after three previous victories, they were kinda supposed to - they'd never have been smashed as comprehensively in 1997; New Labour would surely never have been formed; and we'd have had a much closer two party system in the years that followed. 3. John Smith's death. The death knell for any form of socialism in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Fair play to Craig he's caught a few big ones on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think, Kyle, that there are many who reaped the personal benefits that Thatcherism brought. Tradesmen with their own houses, cars, effoff big tellies etc... none of that was going to happen with governments prior to Thatcher. Of course, the death of society was a side-effect that many of those people are prepared to suffer (or turn a blind eye to). Personally, I don't wish ill on her but wishing her to get 'better' is a bit forlorn. She'll die; chippy wee folk will have their hollow victory and 'tramp the dirt down' and absolutely nothing will be any better in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Scotland may percieve Mrs Thatcher to be a demon, but she was a revolutionary in her own right as opposed to Scargill, who would like to think he was a revolutionary but was in fact an arsehole. But I must agree with this. Scargill was a disgrace. Like many successful leaders, Thatcher was immensely fortunate in who her enemies were. Scargill, Galtieri, Callaghan, Foot, Kinnock; and Heath before them! She must've been laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think, Kyle, that there are many who reaped the personal benefits that Thatcherism brought. Tradesmen with their own houses, cars, effoff big tellies etc... none of that was going to happen with governments prior to Thatcher. Of course, the death of society was a side-effect that many of those people are prepared to suffer (or turn a blind eye to). Are you thinking who I'm thinking of...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Scottish mining thrived until the miners strike, we produced coal for power stations, for export and domestic use. In my home county West lothian we mined at Polkemmet where they produced high quality coking coal, which went straight to the furnaces at Ravenscraig which made steel. The steel fed the ship and car industry in the West of Scotland. We had an unbroken chain. When the NUM voted for strike action, Scotland voted against it. But as Yorkshire dominated the vote along with other English reasons they were dragged into the dispute. The dispute put neighbour against neighbour, friend against friend. Polkemmet flooded in August 1984, when NACODS took away safety cover when seven miners went back to work. The result 1500 miners lost their jobs, Ravenscraig lost their fuel and Scottish heavy industry died as a result. It should never have happened. All to appease Scargill who has just lost his case in court trying to get the NUm to pay for his London flat rent until he dies! Scotland may percieve Mrs Thatcher to be a demon, but she was a revolutionary in her own right as opposed to Scargill, who would like to think he was a revolutionary but was in fact an arsehole. Didn't Scargill block the national strike ballot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I'm going to draw a strange analogy here with regard to Thatcherism, which is the Romanov era at Tynecastle. Bear with me. Britain, in the 1970's was fecked. The stagflation, constant strike action and subsidies to keep people in jobs had reduced it to a basket case. See Hearts under Robinson Thatcher, through financial deregulation, privatisation et al, gave Britain a reason to feel good about itself again on the world stage for those who were "one of us". Of course, parts who weren't "one of us" had to be cast to the wind. Son of Thatcher kept it going but managed to drag in those bits who weren't "one of us" for a while. See Hearts under Romanov. Then, when reality hit in 2008... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Didn't Scargill block the national strike ballot? Correct due to "opposing" the trade union reforms of Thatcher. The old "big union, small house" to "small union, big house" summed up the NUM perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I'm going to draw a strange analogy here with regard to Thatcherism, which is the Romanov era at Tynecastle. Bear with me. Britain, in the 1970's was fecked. The stagflation, constant strike action and subsidies to keep people in jobs had reduced it to a basket case. See Hearts under Robinson Thatcher, through financial deregulation, privatisation et al, gave Britain a reason to feel good about itself again on the world stage for those who were "one of us". Of course, parts who weren't "one of us" had to be cast to the wind. Son of Thatcher kept it going but managed to drag in those bits who weren't "one of us" for a while. See Hearts under Romanov. Then, when reality hit in 2008... The Romanov era smacks more of Gordon Brown. Incredible inheritance in terms of the economic environment/endowment when they took 'power'. Rode the property/funny money boom for years, displaying their benevolence and economic power. Then it turned to ashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Who invented the 5 day working week? Who ever that British president was can go **** themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Who invented the 5 day working week? Who ever that British president was can go **** themselves I think you might have enjoyed life in early 1974 Britain. Maybe. http://en.wikipedia..../Three-Day_Week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I'm going to draw a strange analogy here with regard to Thatcherism, which is the Romanov era at Tynecastle. Bear with me. Britain, in the 1970's was fecked. The stagflation, constant strike action and subsidies to keep people in jobs had reduced it to a basket case. See Hearts under Robinson Thatcher, through financial deregulation, privatisation et al, gave Britain a reason to feel good about itself again on the world stage for those who were "one of us". Of course, parts who weren't "one of us" had to be cast to the wind. Son of Thatcher kept it going but managed to drag in those bits who weren't "one of us" for a while. See Hearts under Romanov. Then, when reality hit in 2008... So it's like Maggie saving my life, then shutting my coal mine whilst shagging my burd then failing to pay wages. I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroongoals Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 So it's like Maggie saving my life, then shutting my coal mine whilst shagging my burd then failing to pay wages. I'm confused. Lol how true, many are too young to remember the misery caused by the policies in thatchers government, the only good thing in that era was the retaking of the falklands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondo Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 No read all the posts but what I will say I hope she feels pain as she shits and pishes hersel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 God bless Mrs Thatcher. A wonderful woman and PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 God will be her Judge She'll not be seeing any God where she's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad-Stupid Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think you might have enjoyed life in early 1974 Britain. Maybe. http://en.wikipedia..../Three-Day_Week I wasn't even a tingle in my fathers testicles back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I was too young to remember how good or bad a PM she was but some of the people wishing death on an old lady is a bit sick. Sure she done her best for our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 There would be far less home owners in this country if it wasn't for Thatcher. Although some would argue that would be a good thing.... Agree that it's a bit pathetic wishing death on a senile old lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Best PM in my lifetime by a country mile. I left Scotland because of Mrs T and that was the best thing I ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Scottish mining thrived until the miners strike..... When the NUM voted for strike action, Scotland voted against it. But as Yorkshire dominated the vote along with other English reasons they were dragged into the dispute. Scottish mining was most certainly not "thriving" prior to the miners strike, and the NUM did not ballot for strike action. Scargil was (is) a delusional arse who sold his members down the river, but that can never excuse what Thatcher did..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Why dont we start up a jkb fund and send her some flowers and stuff ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Why dont we start up a jkb fund and send her some flowers and stuff ! If we're going to send her stuff can it wait until Monday? And I'll make sure I have a curry and 12 pints of Guinness on Sunday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Why dont we start up a jkb fund and send her some flowers and stuff ! Lovely thought mate but we have all dug deep lately for the club and being so close to Christmas I think we might struggle. Anyway if it was up to me I'd leave a collection for when Catherine has the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hearts Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The whole country owes Mrs T a huge debt of gratitude for smashing the power of the trade unions. God bless Mrs T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Lovely thought mate but we have all dug deep lately for the club and being so close to Christmas I think we might struggle. Anyway if it was up to me I'd leave a collection for when Catherine has the baby. Yeah i spose your right , kath and wills are goin to have a right hard time financially when that kid comes along . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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