kingantti1874 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Listen massive fan of the young guys, they will do well for us in the future but surely tonight was a night for some experience... Sutton, driver even novi... FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 People moan when they're not played, then moan when they are. The only way they're going to learn (assuming, of course, they have the ability in the first place) is to play and I'm afraid that means going through shite like tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboBen Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Maybe want to tell that clown mclynn that buddy, because he is the problem the fact he has not got a clue, you only had to look at our bench tonight for experince, beyond me why that fool mcglynn can't see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith&Weston Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Agree. Men against boys at times. What i dont get is we cant score goals but wont try anything different. Smith and Sutton up top for me would score in spl and novi has been our best player. Experience key for Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Experience? While McHattie was out of position for 3 of the goals, he was let down by Zal for the first and fourth, Barr for the second and Stevenson for the third. It was the "experience" that let us down tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 People moan when they're not played, then moan when they are. The only way they're going to learn (assuming, of course, they have the ability in the first place) is to play and I'm afraid that means going through shite like tonight. Listen I'm not slagging the kids, holt and walker in particular have bucket loads of ability an will e great.. But mcglynn must have known tht we'd be under the cosh tonight an would have I dig it out... No need to put the kids in that position, at least not all of them at the same time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Quite frankly Sutton is murder and leaving in the summer if not before. So I am for giving game time to the other young guys. I agree though would have thought Smith was worth a try. However, successive managers have not given him much of a chance and thy see him every day in training. What is an absolute definite though is that Novikovas should start every game. The only attacking player with any quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith&Weston Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Rubbish. Our defence is under pressure every week. Patterson is a good player but our lack of anything up top is killing us. Back to the drawing board as we are better than that tonight and better than 9th and our lack of goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May one-six Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Not sure that the experienced players we had on the bench would have fared any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 At 3-0 down why not hang your dick out and throw a forward on!!!! Ffs mcglynn is an erse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboBen Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 our lack of goals is embarrassing, in all my years supporting Hearts I have never seen us so weak in attack and it is killing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 You wont earn much experience getting hammered every week! Those young players are fantastic and deserve all the credit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith&Weston Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 We played 442 at Utd in the cup and looked more a threat until barr got sent off. Never played like that since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridajambo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The younger players seem to be doing fine indeed, but John McGlynn seems to have zero tactical flexibility. We do have a squad of individual players who are far better than the results - and that reflects on the manager/motivation/tactics. At 3-0 down, you might as well do something radical like throw, oh I don't know, TWO players up front. 3-0 or 6-3 still gets you zero points but at least you make a game of it!!! Can Sutton really not score goals? Is Smith really bad in training? Why is Novikovas sitting on the bench? Why bring on Taouil who seems to contribute only slightly more than Obua? I'm very, very worried about Sunday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Experience? While McHattie was out of position for 3 of the goals, he was let down by Zal for the first and fourth, Barr for the second and Stevenson for the third. It was the "experience" that let us down tonight. Actually The problem with the first goal was McGowan and Stevenson standing off the scum ******* and allowing him all the time in the world to cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Actually The problem with the first goal was McGowan and Stevenson standing off the scum ******* and allowing him all the time in the world to cross. Another two experienced players then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Quite frankly Sutton is murder and leaving in the summer if not before. So I am for giving game time to the other young guys. I agree though would have thought Smith was worth a try. However, successive managers have not given him much of a chance and thy see him every day in training. What is an absolute definite though is that Novikovas should start every game. The only attacking player with any quality. you say that sutton is murder what is that based on? a guy that scored 17 goals for a mediocre motherwell side and yet for some reason doesnt get a start in our side? he can score goals and unless i am very much mistaken we are crying out for a goal scorer and yet we start yet another game with no recognised striker on the pitch! we really need to change things and at least have an actual striker on the pitch and personally i would like to see 2 up front. we are getting crap results so may6 as well go for it. we control huge amount of game albeit not tonight but we have nothing in the final third of the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 People moan when they're not played, then moan when they are. The only way they're going to learn (assuming, of course, they have the ability in the first place) is to play and I'm afraid that means going through shite like tonight. Don't agree with this... We have had plenty of games against weaker teams this season when could have played more of he younger players. Doesn't make a lot of sense to do this against Celtic, but against the likes of Dundee it's worth a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't think that Novikovas will play for Hearts again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimw44 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 No fan of Sutton, but surely has to start ahead of a 17 year old defender or stevenson. Also thought Smith looked good when he came on against dundee. Mcglynn refuses to acknowledge that playing paterson up front isnt working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armadale Jambo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sutton is murder, driver is a shadow of his former self, taoul looks like he hasnt kicked a baw for months - I'd rather stick with the young lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 how do you know sutton is murder? he has hardly had a run in the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsForever Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The last time we played H1b5 in the Scottish Cup Celtic had just pumped us in the league. Just sayin ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Only Webster, Zaliukas & Barr were the ones who started that have been playing first team football for over a year. MacDonald and Ryan McGowan were on the fringes but only started playing regularly last season. McHattie, D.McGowan, Walker, Holt and Paterson have all broke through this season. Then there's Stevenson who has been playing First Division football for most of his career. Edit - Barr could also be considered as one of the players who was on the fringes actually. So technically only Webster and Zaliukas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't think that Novikovas will play for Hearts again. What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 To be honest, the players will learn far more from that kind of game than a scrappy 1-0 at home to St Mirren. a harsh lesson, but shows the importance of full concentration and physical presence. The young boys should be persevered with. We do however, need to sort out the forward position. Sutton us too immobile for a 4-5-1, Patterson and Stevenson clearly can't play there. Either we try Smith, or we play 2 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big yin65 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't think that Novikovas will play for Hearts again. why not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 What makes you say that? I'd rather not say as it is little more than talk. If I said it and it turned out to be false, he'd be laden with Chinese takeaway before you can say "stop smiling". For what it's worth, I hope it isn't true as I rate the kid, but, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd rather not say as it is little more than talk. If I said it and it turned out to be false, he'd be laden with Chinese takeaway before you can say "stop smiling". For what it's worth, I hope it isn't true as I rate the kid, but, time will tell. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd rather not say as it is little more than talk. If I said it and it turned out to be false, he'd be laden with Chinese takeaway before you can say "stop smiling". For what it's worth, I hope it isn't true as I rate the kid, but, time will tell. Pictures of the boaby over t'internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Continue to be really impressed with the young players. Thought Holt and especially Walker shone again tonight. All the teams who have been taking points from Celtic are filled with experienced journeymen. We're playing half a youth team and it showed. But the young players kept going and I think they will keep getting better as a result of the experience they are getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Experience? While McHattie was out of position for 3 of the goals, he was let down by Zal for the first and fourth, Barr for the second and Stevenson for the third. It was the "experience" that let us down tonight. Experience? While McHattie was out of position for 3 of the goals, he was let down by Zal for the first and fourth, Barr for the second and Stevenson for the third. It was the "experience" that let us down tonight. Keeper at fault for 4th. Hooper has tap in from 4 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Keeper at fault for 4th. Hooper has tap in from 4 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Keeper at fault for 4th. Hooper has tap in from 4 yds Zoinks. An astonishing shout that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian Primrose Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 great to see the youngsters in the team. they look enthusiastic, hungry and technically better than the experienced players mentioned in the O.P. we were always in for a pounding the night with the way the manager sets the team up without a striker. It was brutal to watch at times but I saw alot of positives tonight and that will help me sleep tonight. got pumped off a fired up Celtic team that beat Barcelona...im over it already. bring on the Hibees!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlad on the tyne Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Starting to think Mcglynn is really out his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Pictures of the boaby over t'internet? You've heard as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armstrong Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Continue to be really impressed with the young players. Thought Holt and especially Walker shone again tonight. All the teams who have been taking points from Celtic are filled with experienced journeymen. We're playing half a youth team and it showed. But the young players kept going and I think they will keep getting better as a result of the experience they are getting Nice to see someone speaking some sense! They were going to get any better by watching the game from the stands. They earned their respective places, they all gave it their best, and they'll hopefully come away all the better for it. McGlynn has been as good as his word in giving youth a chance, and he should be congratulated for that at least. We've been crying out to see more of Holt, Walker, etc. and now we're seeing them produce on a weekly basis. Let's get behind them...the future's bright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecjambo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The young guys were our best players tonight going forward. Yes they lacked experience defensively but we were always going to struggle tonight. Wee Holt definitely looks a good player, not scared to get on the ball and links up the play well. Stick with them for Sunday and we'll dump that wee team out the Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyespana Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Patterson will end up going the same way as Clum unless he is 'managed' properly. Leaving him isolated and losing confidence every week is not helping him. I like Paterson but he is wasted playing the main striker role get him into midfield where he belongs. Grumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I like Paterson but he is wasted playing the main striker role get him into midfield where he belongs. Grumpy Or give him a striker as a partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicjohnston Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 At 3-0 down why not hang your dick out and throw a forward on!!!! Ffs mcglynn is an erse By then it was damage limitations, there was no way mcglynn was making a positive change. Injuries didn't help though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 There's no question that players with a bit of experience should have started the game tongiht i.e. Driver and/or Sutton. Having a Rudi or a Beattie on the park would have helped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Keeper at fault for 4th. Hooper has tap in from 4 yds This seems even crazier second time reading it. You've basically answered your own question. Do you honestly expect MacDonald to save a tap in from 4 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You've heard as well? Are we talking Thomson Mk.2? Should we be readying the PEEDOS OUT!! banners again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 We played 442 at Utd in the cup and looked more a threat until barr got sent off. Never played like that since. Incorrect, we played it the following Saturday and we were absolutely pish against the side rooted to the bottom of the League. The experienced players have let us down all year. None of them are willing to take responsibility and drive us forward, take a risk trying to create something (Zal excepted). It's been so refreshing having Jason Holt in the team. A midfielder who always looks for the ball regardless of whether he is marked or not. A man who is willing to run at men and take risks with passes to create something. I'd much rather watch the youth for the rest of the season that the "experienced" players who have continually let us down this season. It's embarrassing watching our "experienced" players who have been playing the game for years be technically outclassed by the current crop of youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Was Stevenson playing.....hopeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Another two experienced players then? What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Was Stevenson playing.....hopeless Thought his set pieces were at least half decent. He looks really unfit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 This seems even crazier second time reading it. You've basically answered your own question. Do you honestly expect MacDonald to save a tap in from 4 yards? Well maybe he could if he came off his line for a cross that's about 5 yrds from his goal line rather than waiting and hoping that a defender who is running towards his own goal will do anything about it. A shout to Zal and four paces was all that was needed to get to the ball ahead of Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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