Time for change

[dellboy1971]

I have 1 way to divvy out money fairer

In the Scottish game could be go

Back to 50/50 split minus

Expenses for a fairer league

[tian447]

Nope. Just won't work.

 

Next!

[Sheriff Fatman]

A 50/50 split of ticket revenue is not a workable idea. Splitting TV and sponsor revenue evenly amongst the club is decades overdue but donating revenue to clubs that cannot attract their own fans is stupid.

[southside1874]

I have 1 way to divvy out money fairer

In the Scottish game could be go

Back to 50/50 split minus

Expenses for a fairer league

It must be the way forward. It surely crosses the divide. Without an opposition there is no sport. Are we sport fans or not?

[I.T.K]

A 50/50 split of ticket revenue is not a workable idea. Splitting TV and sponsor revenue evenly amongst the club is decades overdue but donating revenue to clubs that cannot attract their own fans is stupid.

 

I would like to see a fair distribution of prize money similar to the EPL were teams get 10% less then the teams above them.

 

I also think 50/50 ticket split would not work, but would like to see some system that encourages teams to send fans to away matches. Maybe 95/5 split where the 5% is used to fund buses and advertising.

[TheBigO]

I would like to see a fair distribution of prize money similar to the EPL were teams get 10% less then the teams above them.

 

I also think 50/50 ticket split would not work, but would like to see some system that encourages teams to send fans to away matches. Maybe 95/5 split where the 5% is used to fund buses and advertising.

 

Subsidised travel and cheaper ticketing is the answer. Would be great if the Scottish Parliament would get on board with the travel. Think I'm right in saying that a ticket to a German match gets you free travel to and from? Superb idea. Would tie in well with them wanted less folk in cars too...

 

Don't like the idea of 50/50 split. Being a good socialist boy, it should appeal to me, but I'm not so blind that I don't see that it isn't really fair that Celtic would have to give up 30,000 supporters' worth of money every fortnight to Killie and St Mirren etc. Even ourselves - why should wee teams like Hibs, who have killed off all interest in their own club from their own fans through years of mismanagement and general shiteness, benefits from coming to a real club and stadium like ours? That shower of shits can't get anyone in their new lego stand but leave Tynie soundly beaten but with a few hundred K in their pooches? Eff them.

 

I could just about get on board with something along the lines of the visiting team gets the gate receipts for the away end. That, of course, would have to come with some regulation on how many tickets must be offered to trvelling supports.

 

Basically our game needs totally rebranded. Rip it up and start again. We need a Fireworks Phil type to come in and inject some life and enthusiasm into things and get some forward thinking marketing going.

[jamboz]

A 50/50 split of ticket revenue is not a workable idea. Splitting TV and sponsor revenue evenly amongst the club is decades overdue but donating revenue to clubs that cannot attract their own fans is stupid.

 

Did it not used to work? Not sure what the system was before SPL. Definitely need to introduce something that levels out the playing field though. A fairer distribution of money would lead to teams being more competitive and as a result bring in more fans.

 

What about looking into something along the lines of NBA, NFL and AFL where there are salary caps and draft picks. Whilst I realise that transferring the whole system would probably never work we could adopt individual aspects that may benefit our game.

 

Anyway whatever the answer is if we have learned anything over the last few weeks and months it is not to hang on to outdated, long held views and beliefs and to be open to change if it will improve Scottish football!!!

[TheBigO]

Did it not used to work? Not sure what the system was before SPL. Definitely need to introduce something that levels out the playing field though. A fairer distribution of money would lead to teams being more competitive and as a result bring in more fans.

 

What about looking into something along the lines of NBA, NFL and AFL where there are salary caps and draft picks. Whilst I realise that transferring the whole system would probably never work we could adopt individual aspects that may benefit our game.

 

Anyway whatever the answer is if we have learned anything over the last few weeks and months it is not to hang on to outdated, long held views and beliefs and to be open to change if it will improve Scottish football!!!

 

I'm not against looking to others sports and other countries for inspiration (the NRL in Australia has some decent ideas in wage-cappin etc) , though I'm not sure I love the draft system as I think it only works due to their college system. I guess it could tie in with our schools of excellence, but then what happens to the likes of us and others who have invested heavily in our own academies? Can the two work together? Would it just lead to conflicts with clubs trying to poach the best players before they enter the schools?

 

Not sure, but as I say, I think you're along the right lines and it's the type of thing, along with salary caps, which needs atleast investigated. I certainly think youth development needs further incentivised and encouraged.

 

The SFA should be looking to get all Scottish coaches the best education they can. If a team shows real willingness to promote youth, maybe the SFA could be paying for their coaches to be doing their UEFA pros or the likes. If we're going down the route of youth, which we surely must, the SFA need to be putting the right building blocks in place. It's OK just to say the financial climate will give more chances to young Scottish laddies, but what's the point if they're of no decent standard - that's not any type of progress. It all comes down to coaching, for me.

[bobskeldon]

I have 1 way to divvy out money fairer

In the Scottish game could be go

Back to 50/50 split minus

Expenses for a fairer league

 

The 'old' 50/50 split of gate money was in place during Scotland's golden era of football but is now deemed unfair. I think all 'wealthier' clubs have a responsibility to clubs who are less wealthy! e.g. I do think Hearts have a collective responsibility to ensure that the Albion Rovers, East Stirlings not only survive but thrive. In society, we quite rightly have a sliding scale of tax contribution to ensure that 'big' earners pay more than 'little' earners

and most would see that as fair and just. However, when it comes to football, someone 'smaller' getting some of YOUR money is deemed abhorrent!

 

The 'bigger' clubs will always have more money because of fan base size, better sponsorship, hospitality etc so what's wrong with sharing some of that if it helps Montrose financially?

[TheBigO]

The 'old' 50/50 split of gate money was in place during Scotland's golden era of football but is now deemed unfair. I think all 'wealthier' clubs have a responsibility to clubs who are less wealthy! e.g. I do think Hearts have a collective responsibility to ensure that the Albion Rovers, East Stirlings not only survive but thrive. In society, we quite rightly have a sliding scale of tax contribution to ensure that 'big' earners pay more than 'little' earners

and most would see that as fair and just. However, when it comes to football, someone 'smaller' getting some of YOUR money is deemed abhorrent!

 

The 'bigger' clubs will always have more money because of fan base size, better sponsorship, hospitality etc so what's wrong with sharing some of that if it helps Montrose financially?

 

Can't disagree - but 50/50 on gate receipts isn't the way and in fact, it wouldn't help Montrose as when will they play Celtic, Hearts etc? If they do draw a big team in the cup, the gates are split and that's the way it should be imo. Fairer dist of TV and sponsorship etc right down through the leagues is the best way forward. Encouraging the Cowdens and East Fifes of this world to focus heavily on their youth (as Cowden have) and making sure the bigger teams pay the right amounts for the players if and when they sign them is another way. Incentivise youth development in the lower leagues - looking at using anyone interested as feeded clubs could be looked into too.

[Coco]

I see no panacea for the Scottish game in terms of league structure or youth policy structures. All the current issues would remain.

 

But what the problems at teams like Celtic (biscuit tin board), Hibs (Duff and Duff mk 1), Hearts (Pieman) and now Rangers (Murray) - and a legion of smaller clubs such as Gretna (Mileson) or Motherwell (Boyle) - have shown is that the clubs matter to their communities.

 

They should not be allowed to be put in jeopardy by weak populist owners ballooning their debts or 'mishandling' working capital.

 

So how about some financial fair play rules with teeth.

1) For SPL or top league clubs, no team will have total player compensation greater than season ticket sales revenue. Leaves walk up money, sponsorship and TV money to pay down debt and pay other costs.

2) Any club which is more than 6 months in arrears with the HMRC is demoted a division.

 

Any more?

[Dazo]

Away sides should sell there own tickets and keep the revenue fom those tickets. The home side keep the revenue from walk up away fans. Hopefully this will force clubs to live and budget within their means rather than rely on the OF gate money.

[jamboz]

One way forward would be to model our football infrastructure and league set up on a tried and tested system that works and displays results. There are several out there but the German model is probably as good as any to use. Of course it is going to take time, effort and money but something has to be done and any "bandaid" fix just won't cut it.

 

I tend to agree with bobskeldon. If it worked back in the day when Scotland was considered more than just a bit part player in the football scene then I am all for going back to a proven system. Scottish club teams as well as the national side last had a meaningful impact when there was a 50/50 split. I mean who doesn't want to return to the days when teams outside the old firm are taking on Europe and the National side regularly qualifying for tournaments.

[Radge21]

We should be pushing immediately to get the 11-1 vote changed.

That should be the first thing on the agenda now that Rangers are dead.

[bobskeldon]

Can't disagree - but 50/50 on gate receipts isn't the way and in fact, it wouldn't help Montrose as when will they play Celtic, Hearts etc? If they do draw a big team in the cup, the gates are split and that's the way it should be imo. Fairer dist of TV and sponsorship etc right down through the leagues is the best way forward. Encouraging the Cowdens and East Fifes of this world to focus heavily on their youth (as Cowden have) and making sure the bigger teams pay the right amounts for the players if and when they sign them is another way. Incentivise youth development in the lower leagues - looking at using anyone interested as feeded clubs could be looked into too.

 

Big O, I wasn't suggesting that a 50/50 split in gate money was the way forward OR would help Montrose. What I was suggesting was that if we recognise and acknowledge (as I certainly do) that Scottish football is as much Albion Rovers, East Stirling and Alloa as it is Celtic, Rangers and Hearts then we have to increase the levy on the bigger clubs. Whether that be directly from a percentage of pulled SPL/SFL 1 gate money being directed down OR a Scottish football tax on all clubs relative to their income being re-distributed down OR a bigger percentage of TV/sponsorship money being filtered down etc.

[Socrates]

Can we get past the idea that away clubs should get the money for tickets they sell. All that does is take money away from the small clubs and give it to the bigger ones who have a bigger travelling support. Pretty sure the solution to Scottish football's problems is not to take money that currently goes to the wee teams and give it to Celtic.

[Socrates]

Next year, Celtic's turnover is equal to that of the rest of the SPL combined. Changing from the current rigged split of the TV money to an even share us nowhere nearly enough to solve this problem. I'm not saying we should necessarily go to 50-50 gates but some form of shared gates is essential if you want a more competitive league.