New Scouting network

[jamboinglasgow]

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but I remember during the hearts world commentry yesterday Lawerence mentioned that Hearts are currently having a major shake up with their scouting system. Apparntly there are 10 countries where we will have an organised reporting system that all report back to John Murry.

 

Could be a real benefit for Hearts (if the network is good enough.) Anyone here this?

[CornhillHearts]

True-another 100 makelas/copils/kostas- what a waste of money.

[IMA MAROON]

True-another 100 makelas/copils/kostas- what a waste of money.

 

If at first you don't succeed.

[bistokid]

True-another 100 makelas/copils/kostas- what a waste of money.

 

Yeah, lets not bother signing any foreign players anymore.

[freddiemac]

Berra is the only outfield player to come through in the last few years .

a major shake up is required

[Rods]

Mmm not sure if its a good thing or not. Depends if this new scouts are basically just Pro Sports!

 

I think we are far too agency led in our signings.

 

I would also like to see a new manager bring in his own scouts etc, as part of the backroom staff. As I think it needs a real shake up.

 

LBJ thats only what happens at proper clubs

 

Vlad would never alow this something about money grabbing monkeys

[jamboinglasgow]

Berra is the only outfield player to come through in the last few years .

a major shake up is required

 

 

what about:

 

Driver and Jonsson, surely they have both come through. think they are worthy of being a good find.

 

As for a new manager bringing in his own scouts, think that would be ok. Unsure whether the Scotland is one of the ten countries, would think as it is the home country it would have different scouts for here. Surely the managers scouts would be here and would go out to places where the network has alerted of a player.

 

Though I wonder what the 10 countries are:

 

England?

Australia?

Iceland?

Lithuania?

[Fat Striker]

is it this????

 

 

[jamboinglasgow]

is it this????

 

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ah FM, the best scouting facility for all fans out there and possibly clubs;)

[The Old Tolbooth]

what about:

 

Driver and Jonsson, surely they have both come through. think they are worthy of being a good find.

 

As for a new manager bringing in his own scouts, think that would be ok. Unsure whether the Scotland is one of the ten countries, would think as it is the home country it would have different scouts for here. Surely the managers scouts would be here and would go out to places where the network has alerted of a player.

 

Though I wonder what the 10 countries are:

 

England?

Australia?

Iceland?

Lithuania?

 

I think it's fair to say that Lithuania will be top of the list, sadly!

 

I'd like to see us scout in the following countries

 

1. USA

2. England

3. Australia

4. Sweden

5. Denmark

6. Finland

7. Norway

8. Iceland

9. Russia

10. Republic of Ireland

 

I would also like to see African nations scouted more too, and if we got rid of the over paid prima donnas we have at the club just now and cut the wage bill down, then we could afford a network of scouts to do this for us.

[jamboinglasgow]

I think it's fair to say that Lithuania will be top of the list, sadly!

 

I'd like to see us scout in the following countries

 

1. USA

2. England

3. Australia

4. Sweden

5. Denmark

6. Finland

7. Norway

8. Iceland

9. Russia

10. Republic of Ireland

 

I would also like to see African nations scouted more too, and if we got rid of the over paid prima donnas we have at the club just now and cut the wage bill down, then we could afford a network of scouts to do this for us.

 

Would like those 10 countries to be them though maybe put holland in, instead of either Norway or Denmark.

 

Something that hasn't dawned on me till a momment ago is, could we be possibly be about to have a massive shake up at Hearts? I remember a quote from the sporting lisborn head of acdemy saying for an amzing youth system you need a great scouting network and great coaches. Could it be possible that Hearts are trying to re-organise to do this and during the summer there will be major changes to coaches. Though I agree that if we got rid of the big earners we could reinvest their wages into getting decent scouts in countries where we can find good youth and the coaches to bring them in correctly. I'd rather sell Kingston and reinvest the money of his transfer and wages into the youth set up so we can find great players with scouts who we then bring then up through the ranks so they can make the grade in the first team.

 

I know its optimistic but it was a feeling like things are changing. Still need alot sorted out such as a manger to oversee all of hearts and confirmation about finincial posistions.

[The Old Tolbooth]

Would like those 10 countries to be them though maybe put holland in, instead of either Norway or Denmark.

 

Something that hasn't dawned on me till a momment ago is, could we be possibly be about to have a massive shake up at Hearts? I remember a quote from the sporting lisborn head of acdemy saying for an amzing youth system you need a great scouting network and great coaches. Could it be possible that Hearts are trying to re-organise to do this and during the summer there will be major changes to coaches. Though I agree that if we got rid of the big earners we could reinvest their wages into getting decent scouts in countries where we can find good youth and the coaches to bring them in correctly. I'd rather sell Kingston and reinvest the money of his transfer and wages into the youth set up so we can find great players with scouts who we then bring then up through the ranks so they can make the grade in the first team.

 

I know its optimistic but it was a feeling like things are changing. Still need alot sorted out such as a manger to oversee all of hearts and confirmation about finincial posistions.

 

 

I left countries like Holland, Germany, France, Spain etc out simply because they are over scouted already by the major clubs, and we probably aint big enough to attract players of these nationalities to Hearts, apart from players who are probably rejects already and would command a high wage, and we have a team of those already!

[The Old Tolbooth]

I just had a sneak preview of the 3 new scouts who are working on our behalf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jamboinglasgow]

I left countries like Holland, Germany, France, Spain etc out simply because they are over scouted already by the major clubs, and we probably aint big enough to attract players of these nationalities to Hearts, apart from players who are probably rejects already and would command a high wage, and we have a team of those already!

 

fair enough, thats probably wise.

 

Oh and worked out if we worked out the money invested in the academy as if it was per week then it would be ?22,400 a week. Now considering thats includes the wages of probably as much as 20 coaches, backroom staff and youngsters that is not alot compared to the reported ?10,000 and ?15,000 some players have.

[portobellojambo1]

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but I remember during the hearts world commentry yesterday Lawerence mentioned that Hearts are currently having a major shake up with their scouting system. Apparntly there are 10 countries where we will have an organised reporting system that all report back to John Murry.

 

Could be a real benefit for Hearts (if the network is good enough.) Anyone here this?

 

I assume from the fact you say they are reporting back to John Murray that you are talking about a scouting network to look for youths. In relation to the first team I think scouts should report back to and be responsible to the 1st team manager, as per the Burley/Hunt arrangement, and go out looking specifically for players to play in "problem" positions identified by said manager.

[jamboinglasgow]

I assume from the fact you say they are reporting back to John Murray that you are talking about a scouting network to look for youths. In relation to the first team I think scouts should report back to and be responsible to the 1st team manager, as per the Burley/Hunt arrangement, and go out looking specifically for players to play in "problem" positions identified by said manager.

 

I am not sure, it was a small bit they said on hearts world, which the game unfortunatly interupted, but saying as John is both Director of the acdemy and head scout I would imagine it bot youth and senior.

[The Old Tolbooth]

fair enough, thats probably wise.

 

Oh and worked out if we worked out the money invested in the academy as if it was per week then it would be ?22,400 a week. Now considering thats includes the wages of probably as much as 20 coaches, backroom staff and youngsters that is not alot compared to the reported ?10,000 and ?15,000 some players have.

 

Exactly, lets get rid of the Nade's. the Tall's etc at our club and free up wages to employ decent scouts for a change.

 

Decent scouts can bring in decent players on minimal wages.

 

I'd love to bring players to Hearts who are paid smaller weekly wages, but promised riches if they perform, that way we get the best out of them.

[jamboinglasgow]

Exactly, lets get rid of the Nade's. the Tall's etc at our club and free up wages to employ decent scouts for a change.

 

Decent scouts can bring in decent players on minimal wages.

 

I'd love to bring players to Hearts who are paid smaller weekly wages, but promised riches if they perform, that way we get the best out of them.

 

 

couldn't agree more, I would rather we went out found really promising talent from Scotland and places around the world. Build them up through our system, have them on a decent but low wages and let them play. THey would play with much more desire and fight then the people on huge wages. If our scoutings done right we can also go for people with the right mental attitude and we would see huge benefits.

[Charlie-Brown]

The Scouting system should be a 'permanent' & continuous function of the club - as should youth development also - both should occur systematically and not be dependant on any individual head coach or manager & they should last beyond the reign of any invidual coach - people who think otherwise have muddled thinking in my opinion.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I heard that too - then I wondered what had happened to Vlad's 1/2/3 database!

[WeeToonJambo]

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but I remember during the hearts world commentry yesterday Lawerence mentioned that Hearts are currently having a major shake up with their scouting system. Apparntly there are 10 countries where we will have an organised reporting system that all report back to John Murry.

 

Could be a real benefit for Hearts (if the network is good enough.) Anyone here this?

 

I'm sure I read something about this on the official site yesterday but I can't confirm it as I'm having a problem getting into the site this morning.

[jamboinglasgow]

I'm sure I read something about this on the official site yesterday but I can't confirm it as I'm having a problem getting into the site this morning.

 

SF says it in his pre-match conference, all he says is that they are enhancing the scouting, but may not show in players in August but afterwards it will have an effect.

[Drylaw Hearts]

We shouldn't even admit the fact we've had no or very little Scouting work in the past couple years.

 

 

 

Ametuerish.

[jamboinglasgow]

I wouldn't even advertise the fact we've had no or very little Scouting work in the past couple years.

 

 

 

Ametuerish.

 

it doesn't mean we didn't have any before, maybe Hearts feel that it has not been up to standard and needs a real re-organising or even expanded.

[Drylaw Hearts]

it doesn't mean we didn't have any before, maybe Hearts feel that it has not been up to standard and needs a real re-organising or even expanded.

 

I don't think we've had any European scouts working for us for a while.

 

Apart from VR of course.

[sked21]

I would like to see it done in South America as I was watching Revista de La Liga and they had an interview with Pellegrini (Villarreal manager) who was saying about there Latin players and how they picked them up for peanuts. When the same class of player in Europe would be a fortune.Both in fee and wages.

 

Also look at Sevilla and the network they have in place.

[Guest JamboRobbo]

I would like to see it done in South America as I was watching Revista de La Liga and they had an interview with Pellegrini (Villarreal manager) who was saying about there Latin players and how they picked them up for peanuts. When the same class of player in Europe would be a fortune.Both in fee and wages.

 

Also look at Sevilla and the network they have in place.

 

Sounds good to me. I'd add that we should send football scouts, not bankers, or spanish/lithuanian lawyers. That comment should apply to all our scouting efforts IMO.

[N User]

do these scouts rate them 1, 2 or 3?

[Guest JamboRobbo]

do these scouts rate them 1, 2 or 3?

 

Obviously. Every player in the world is either a 1, 2 or 3. Everyone knows that.

[portobellojambo1]

Sounds good to me. I'd add that we should send football scouts, not bankers, or spanish/lithuanian lawyers. That comment should apply to all our scouting efforts IMO.

 

Think you are being a bit harsh there JR, surely the best person for Hearts to send to South American countries to determine the capabilities and skills of a football player is someone who knows nothing about football, knows a bit about sacking people, wrongly completing football contracts and can fill in as Director of Building the Stand, but can speak Spanish. Makes total sense to me, without being able to speak Spanish the poor fecker would never be able to order a cup of coffee

 

As for our other base methods of getting players now, well the less said the better, catalogues and Kaunas, what a fecking combination, has turned up many gems, or should that be germs.

[PTBCAL]

Thankfully players signing for Hearts will be paid on performances and results. Long overdue.

 

Also I think we should be looking at Africa for players.

[portobellojambo1]

Thankfully players signing for Hearts will be paid on performances and results. Long overdue.

 

Also I think we should be looking at Africa for players.

 

I suspect the only person based in Africa that might interest Romanov is Robert Mugabe, probably sees him as potential manager of the new corporate hospitality suites.

[Ivan Drago]

yet another thing that rips my knitting about the current 'regime' is that we have a ready made feeder club in Kaunas, but as with everything else Romanov is just hell bent on mismanaging it.

 

Kaunas could be a real benefit if we had a manager (lol) who could pick and choose what players he wanted to give a chance, and i think it would be far more beneficial sending our youngsters to Kaunas then the likes of Cowdenbeath etc.

[kjc2006]

I would like to see it done in South America as I was watching Revista de La Liga and they had an interview with Pellegrini (Villarreal manager) who was saying about there Latin players and how they picked them up for peanuts. When the same class of player in Europe would be a fortune.Both in fee and wages.

 

Also look at Sevilla and the network they have in place.

 

The problem with scouting South America and Africa etc is that the players that we would probably be looking at would be unlikely to get a work permit. Unless we can find players who have european passports.

[boabyarsebiscuit]

The problem with scouting South America and Africa etc is that the players that we would probably be looking at would be unlikely to get a work permit. Unless we can find players who have european passports.

 

Many Argentinians have European parents/grandparents and qualify for European passports. Fernando Screpis I believe holds an Italian passport for example.

 

Many Brazilians of European descent are the same. I have a couple of Brazilian acquaintances who were living in Glasgow for a spell - they both had Italian passports.

 

It's not hard to get a note of any players you're interested in passport qualifications. Prior to offering them a contract, or signing them for Kaunas, of course. There are also agencies who specialise in preparing South American players for Europe. In the DVD set "Futebol" one of the stories focus on 2 Gremio (think it's Gremio) youth players who are being set up for moves to Belgium - the moves don't come off, but it shows how player "brokers" operate in Brazil.

 

I agree that South America could be a good place for signing young talent. And most young Brazilians prospects are so poor they don't cost the earth in wages either.

 

Africa is a fertile ground for players - but I believe that most of the big nations are now fully represented there so most "gems" are picked up by clubs in Leagues more attractive than the SPL.

[bigbryanthejambo]

Laurence Brodie says what Laurence brodie gets TOLD TO SAY!

 

squirming, two faced, snivvelling, inaccurate, gets excited at a throw in, we can see your strings, sweaty, prawn sandwich eating, hospitality squeezing, arrogant and un-educated walloper.....

 

IMO of course!

[WalterEgo]

Though I wonder what the 10 countries are:

 

England?

Australia?

Iceland?

Lithuania?

Partly correct:

 

1. Lithuania;

2. Armenia;

2. Azerbaijan;

3. Belarus;

4. Kazakhstan;

5. Kyrgyzstan;

6. Latvia;

7. Tajikistan;

8. Turkmenistan;

9. Uzbekistan;

10. Lithuania.

[Guest JamboRobbo]

Partly correct:

 

1. Lithuania;

2. Armenia;

2. Azerbaijan;

3. Belarus;

4. Kazakhstan;

5. Kyrgyzstan;

6. Latvia;

7. Tajikistan;

8. Turkmenistan;

9. Uzbekistan;

10. Lithuania.

 

Mate, I think you forgot to mention we'll have scouts in Lithuania.

[blondejamtart]

Does the club still have scouts who go out to watch youth matches in this country? Just curious, as I know someone who used to scout for another SPL club, but told me quite a few of the clubs had scaled down their scouting as far as the local youth football scene was concerned.

[Guest JamboRobbo]

Does the club still have scouts who go out to watch youth matches in this country?

 

What are these "scouts" you talk of?

 

this sounds like some sort of media conspiracy to me. We have Vladimir and Pedro to find us players, what more could we possibly need?

[blondejamtart]

What are these "scouts" you talk of?

 

Sounds like some sort of media conspiracy to me. We have Vladimir and Pedro to find us players, what more could we possibly need?

 

 

 

True....I had overlooked that!

[jamboinglasgow]

Does the club still have scouts who go out to watch youth matches in this country? Just curious, as I know someone who used to scout for another SPL club, but told me quite a few of the clubs had scaled down their scouting as far as the local youth football scene was concerned.

 

 

would imagine we have one or two, but think if he want to find the best talent quick enough we should have more. Wonder if Hearts would agree a few part-time people. i.e. get payed ?20 to watch a youth game and spot any players

[John Findlay]

When John Robertson was the manager. I was up at Riccarton one day and I approached John and informed him that I refereed games in the Portsmouth area upto U19 level and if he was willing I would happily scout for the club in that neck of the woods. Mainly South Hampshire. John to his credit was very receptive and after chatting with each other for 30 minutes he introduced me to John Murray and John Murray to his credit was also very receptive and I had another 30mins chat with John as to what Hearts were looking for in a football player.

 

So for a while I was a club scout in Hampshire.

 

 

 

John

[132F29A]

I can tell you that Hearts had a representative in the USA this year looking at developing their interests over there. I can also tell you that they were offered the services of a proffessional coach to carry out scouting and development for them as he just happens to be a Jambo. A huge number of clubs are making progress in the states as there is a growing pool of talent which would be relatively cheap to get a hold off.

[jamboinglasgow]

I can tell you that Hearts had a representative in the USA this year looking at developing their interests over there. I can also tell you that they were offered the services of a proffessional coach to carry out scouting and development for them as he just happens to be a Jambo. A huge number of clubs are making progress in the states as there is a growing pool of talent which would be relatively cheap to get a hold off.

 

 

USA have a huge amount of youngsters playing from a young level and the like the idea of developing players from an early age. The only problem is when they get to about 12 they start playing american sports. But anyway think Hearts are really wise to start looking over there and if there is a proffesional coach then thats good news. I wonder if the other 9 countries are organised like that then that is very good (think with Australia they are well organised.)

 

Almost think one or two games played in america during the pre-season might benfit hearts, play LA Galaxy and DC United.

[Poseidon]

Hearts have had virtually no scouting system in place since Burley left and took his main guy (Hunt?) with him. It's been a shambles and definitely needs to be rectified soon.

 

Interestingly enough, I also heard we would be looking to be bringing in players on a lower wage and their wage would be made up with performance related bonuses etc. Definitely the way forward, provided we can bring in players of enough quality this way.

[ToadKiller Dog]

I suspect the only person based in Africa that might interest Romanov is Robert Mugabe, probably sees him as potential manager of the new corporate hospitality suites.

 

Be careful what you wish for old gaddafi has interests in football through his son he in involved in juventus ,also think he though other interests is a land owner in Scotland ,but its ok he is a good guy now.

[Drylaw Hearts]

When John Robertson was the manager. I was up at Riccarton one day and I approached John and informed him that I refereed games in the Portsmouth area upto U19 level and if he was willing I would happily scout for the club in that neck of the woods. Mainly South Hampshire. John to his credit was very receptive and after chatting with each other for 30 minutes he introduced me to John Murray and John Murray to his credit was also very receptive and I had another 30mins chat with John as to what Hearts were looking for in a football player.

 

So for a while I was a club scout in Hampshire.

 

 

 

John

 

 

And I bet his response was......

 

"As long as he's from Northern Ireland he'll have a chance at Hearts."

[Guest JamboRobbo]

Hearts have had virtually no scouting system in place since Burley left and took his main guy (Hunt?) with him. It's been a shambles and definitely needs to be rectified soon.

 

Interestingly enough, I also heard we would be looking to be bringing in players on a lower wage and their wage would be made up with performance related bonuses etc. Definitely the way forward, provided we can bring in players of enough quality this way.

 

You've just highlighted the fundamental problem with Rodney and Vlads latest cunning plan.

 

Players who have the quality, don't need to take performance related deals.

[bill duff]

I can tell you that Hearts had a representative in the USA this year looking at developing their interests over there. I can also tell you that they were offered the services of a proffessional coach to carry out scouting and development for them as he just happens to be a Jambo. A huge number of clubs are making progress in the states as there is a growing pool of talent which would be relatively cheap to get a hold off.

 

Don't get me started on this one. I met with representatives of the club over here in Baltimore, back in February at the National Soccer Coaches Convention. Came home to Edinburgh to discuss and still waiting for a phone call.