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2 hours ago, tntjambo said:

King has no money simple as that his hands are tied till the season ticket bounty comes in.

 

If I could stake my house on one fact relating to this issue being incorrect, this would probably be it.

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2 hours ago, tntjambo said:

King has no money simple as that his hands are tied till the season ticket bounty comes in.

 

He has got money he just prefers using other people's.

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2 hours ago, tntjambo said:

King has no money simple as that his hands are tied till the season ticket bounty comes in.

 

 

Really ? I had no idea that he could possible access that money for his own personal use.

  No the fact is this man does have money... but he is trying to give the impression that he does not. The truth is, in my opinion anyway, the man is a cheap spiv nothing more and nothing less. However to have this second rate shyster as the figurehead of your football club must be for the ordinary fans as well as his associates on the board of directors a true embarrassment ... the fact that the SFA knowingly let him get to that position is an embarrassment to the game of football in Scotland.

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3 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

His get out was supposed to be that his money was held in trust and he could not access it although the judge told him that if he managed to access it to buy into Rangers in the first place then he could do it again to comply with the court ruling.

 

I know what he claimed, but any appeal must show the decision to uphold the TOP ruling was wrong on a point of law, and until we know what that point of law may be, we don't know what chance it has of being successful. In the end, though, unless for some strange reason a successful appeal makes the original TOP order invalid, and that was not what was being ruled on in court so is unlikely to be affected by the appeal, the only difference a successful appeal makes is to relieve King of the threat of contempt of court charges, with possible jail time. It would not remove the TOP order to make the offer, nor the cold shoulder if he doesn't.

 

King isn't appealing to save TRFC or RIFC from the effect of the TOP, he is only there trying to save his own skin, and regardless of the result, whatever the effect the cold shoulder might have on the club, the fallout is not removed.

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7 hours ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

I know what he claimed, but any appeal must show the decision to uphold the TOP ruling was wrong on a point of law, and until we know what that point of law may be, we don't know what chance it has of being successful. In the end, though, unless for some strange reason a successful appeal makes the original TOP order invalid, and that was not what was being ruled on in court so is unlikely to be affected by the appeal, the only difference a successful appeal makes is to relieve King of the threat of contempt of court charges, with possible jail time. It would not remove the TOP order to make the offer, nor the cold shoulder if he doesn't.

 

King isn't appealing to save TRFC or RIFC from the effect of the TOP, he is only there trying to save his own skin, and regardless of the result, whatever the effect the cold shoulder might have on the club, the fallout is not removed.

 

He may have no valid grounds for appeal, but was instead hoping to delay things by requesting leave for appeal.  I believe the hearing on Friday was instigated by the TOP, who wanted to ensure that the hearing to consider King's grounds for appeal took place as quickly as possible.  King was probably hoping that hearing would take place a lot later than 28th Feb.

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The Rangers are making loads of good signings. Seems fishy to me with talk of admin. What’s the bets they do their signing business and then get a pre pack?

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4 minutes ago, cjwye said:

The Rangers are making loads of good signings. Seems fishy to me with talk of admin. What’s the bets they do their signing business and then get a pre pack?

It wouldn't help them, as they would still have to honour any footballing debts in order to retain their SFA licence after they emerged from administration.

 

It's the same as happened to us after we came out of admin, we still had to honour our outstanding footballing debts, which we did fairly quickly thanks to the funding that had been provided by FOH.

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If King can rack up enough footballing debts he starts to make a CVA + footballing debts + other pre-pack admin cost unappealling to the 3bears, AJ and DM. Staving off the immediate threat of admin/pre-pack being forced by internal debts being called in by directors who want rid of him.

 

Right now he is fighting to hold onto power. And i hope he sticks around for a long time. So the way I see the signings is a buy now, pay later deal.

 

This achieves two goals bumps up costs to hostile takeover agents. Improves the team to fight for 2nd and the holy trail of Euro group stage dosh.

 

Putting myself in Kings shoes, i would be hoping to reduce costs, Alves/Pena etc. Sell a few players for decent money and survive until season ticket money. Dodgy loans, invoice financing, other peoples money, share issue, Club 18-30.... whatever it takes to get to season ticket money. That buys him a few months and a crack at Euro dosh.

 

Unfortunately its doomed to fail. Reports players had to buy their own tickets home from Florida suggests major cashflow problems. King cant put money in due to SA currency controls and his penniless claim in court. Even if he could... he is smart enough to know any millions put into the club vanishes never to be seen again.

 

TOP looms large and I am hoping and praying he holds on until the cold shoulder is dished out. Would be fascinating to see the destruction to the club and other directors reactions. The cold shoulder would certainly lead to admin. Liquidation becomes more likely and The Rangers brand post 2nd admin/liquidation gets even more toxic.

 

Hang on King... stick in there. Dont worry about the TOP either, it'll be fine :-)

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Kris Boyd had been slagging the way rangers are doing business in the paper, and for me that can mean only one thing - the rangers establishment have turned on King and the campaign has started.

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36 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Kris Boyd had been slagging the way rangers are doing business in the paper, and for me that can mean only one thing - the rangers establishment have turned on King and the campaign has started.

 

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Agreed.

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2 hours ago, Smithee said:

Kris Boyd had been slagging the way rangers are doing business in the paper, and for me that can mean only one thing - the rangers establishment have turned on King and the campaign has started.

 

Indeed. It's not the fact that Boyd has been criticizing Rangers that is the news here. It's the fact that the media published that criticism. Good call, Smithee.

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7 hours ago, Smithee said:

Kris Boyd had been slagging the way rangers are doing business in the paper, and for me that can mean only one thing - the rangers establishment have turned on King and the campaign has started.

Fair point Smithee,Its taken them a while to figure him out. Let's hope he's there for few years yet though.

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Allowayjambo1874

If king were to sell shares to bring the total shareholding held by him and the 3 bears down to 29% does all this go away? 

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1 minute ago, Allowayjambo1874 said:

If king were to sell shares to bring the total shareholding held by him and the 3 bears down to 29% does all this go away? 

No I don't think so. He's made his move and now he must live with the consequences. All this "Leave to Appeal" malarkey can only be playing  for time.  His fellow directors who have supplied these soft loans must be bricking it.

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On 14/01/2018 at 09:08, wavydavy said:

He will no doubt have taken legal advice on this before embarking on taking this route.

 

Desperate people do desperate things. The man has no shame so he is well suited to that mob.

 

He has previous for not having taken legal advice (or not believed the legal advice given, and ignored it) when he expected to be able to move the players he wanted to, from the old Rangers to the new one - and found he couldn’t force them, and that they were free to walk away and sign for another club.

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Footballfirst

Time to bump this thread.

 

According to newspaper reports this evening (Sun, ET, Herald, Scotsman) it appears that Rangers has obtained a "banking" credit facility, not with a high street bank, but with Close Brothers.

 

Stewart Robertson describes it as being used for working capital, but Close Brothers don't do overdrafts to my knowledge.  They specialise in asset and invoice financing though.

 

A subsidiary, Close Leasing, provided (secured) funding to the Oldco for the refurbishment of fast food outlets.  I believe that the Newco carried on the leases (still secured on the equipment purchased), which are now paid off, but at least there was a relationship there.

 

Whatever deal they have done it will not be cheap.  It could be that King has arranged this in lieu of the intended NOAL funding.  It also raises the spectre of a possible Ticketus type arrangement that could be secured on future ST sales, or perhaps future transfer sales to China.

 

Edit: The Record describes it as an overdraft that will be secured on Edmiston House and the Albion Car Park. 

 

I recall a fair bit of furore when Ashley secured some of his lending on those assets.

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From the Record article

 

The overdraft will be secured against Edmiston House and the Albion car park and is in addition to the £7 million King promised auditors he’d underwrite for any losses in the current financial year.

 

The facility will be used to bolster the club’s finances at a time of the year when clubs are traditionally stretched and it also comes ahead of the start next week of a £3 million refurb of the Ibrox fabric.

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6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Record article

 

The overdraft will be secured against Edmiston House and the Albion car park and is in addition to the £7 million King promised auditors he’d underwrite for any losses in the current financial year.

 

The facility will be used to bolster the club’s finances at a time of the year when clubs are traditionally stretched and it also comes ahead of the start next week of a £3 million refurb of the Ibrox fabric.

 

 

£3 million?

 

That's a lot of money for carpets and curtains.

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Is not taking the (possibly genuine) £7 million from China part of the fantasy or rather promoting that Rangers' finances are healthy?

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1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said:

£3 million?

 

That's a lot of money for carpets and curtains.

Padded seats? LOL

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...a bit disco
Just now, Footballfirst said:

Padded seats? LOL

 

Already got them here.

 

:verysmug:

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Is not taking the (possibly genuine) £7 million from China part of the fantasy or rather promoting that Rangers' finances are healthy?

 

The China syndrome meltdown has apparently cooled somewhat.

 

Alfredo Morelos is now off a list of transfer targets for Beijing Rehne, according to a report.

The Express claims their interest has cooled in the Rangers striker.

Chinese Super League side Beijing had an offer of around £8million rejected by the Ibrox club last month.

Now it is being reported they have moved on to other targets and are unlikely to come back in for Morelos.

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1 minute ago, Deevers said:

More debt just to create the facade that it's still a going concern. 

 

...... and FFP compliant?

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9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

...... and FFP compliant?

Exactly.  I'm afraid that they are being run by a latter day Wilkens Macawber constantly believing that something will turn up. All smacks of some of the stuff that went on in the previous entity before it all went tits  up.

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36 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Record article

 

The overdraft will be secured against Edmiston House and the Albion car park and is in addition to the £7 million King promised auditors he’d underwrite for any losses in the current financial year.

 

The facility will be used to bolster the club’s finances at a time of the year when clubs are traditionally stretched and it also comes ahead of the start next week of a £3 million refurb of the Ibrox fabric.

 

King going to underwrite the £7m he skint though according to his lawyer!! 

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I recently had dealings with Close Brothers relating to a car PCP deal through a leasing company. Original deal on the table was with a zero deposit, leasing company sent through the papers for signature and the £0 deposit had suddenly jumped to £1800. Close Brothers decided to alter the deal without telling me (or the leasing company).

At this point following "The Rangers" example I walked away.

 

I can only hope they maintain their sharp business practices with their new customer.

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3 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

 

The China syndrome meltdown has apparently cooled somewhat.

 

Alfredo Morelos is now off a list of transfer targets for Beijing Rehne, according to a report.

The Express claims their interest has cooled in the Rangers striker.

Chinese Super League side Beijing had an offer of around £8million rejected by the Ibrox club last month.

Now it is being reported they have moved on to other targets and are unlikely to come back in for Morelos.

I am absolutely shocked that after the end of the window and no english clubs coming in for him and him “demanding” a pay rise due to the link that it has suddenly just been dropped. Never saw that coming at all! 

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3 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

King going to underwrite the £7m he skint though according to his lawyer!! 

Surely this is something that has to be taken to task?

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https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.closebrothers.com

 

Wow just wow! Love the first review 5star then if you look at the guy he only gives 1 star reviews to every other company. 

 

Looks like the kind of company you go to if no one else will touch you and you are happy to risk the roof over your head to get something you can’t afford ?

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18 minutes ago, sadj said:

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.closebrothers.com

 

Wow just wow! Love the first review 5star then if you look at the guy he only gives 1 star reviews to every other company. 

 

Looks like the kind of company you go to if no one else will touch you and you are happy to risk the roof over your head to get something you can’t afford ?

 

Was about to post the exact same thing.

 

If this is true, they really are ****ed.

 

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1 minute ago, Lovecraft said:

 

Was about to post the exact same thing.

 

If this is true, they really are ****ed.

 

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Yeah without being any sort of financial genius it seems like they are on the edge of a precipice clinging on by that last finger....There are so many variables in football that if they are relying on something like the sale of a player to survive they are playing a very dangerous game again. 

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So what about the cold shoulder etc. didn’t king appeal, when does that get finalised?

 

Bet he wishes he took the 7 million allegedly offered. 

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Funny how last week a story comes out about a 7mill bid from cloud Cuckoo land and then they are selling the family car parks etc ,smoke and mirrors ,this looks like they are trying to stave off administration by borrowing from a Bright House institution popcorn time again tick tock

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5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Record article

 

The overdraft will be secured against Edmiston House and the Albion car park and is in addition to the £7 million King promised auditors he’d underwrite for any losses in the current financial year.

 

The facility will be used to bolster the club’s finances at a time of the year when clubs are traditionally stretched and it also comes ahead of the start next week of a £3 million refurb of the Ibrox fabric.

 

“Hi Dave King here.  Just for the avoidance of doubt should any worldwide government authority be listening in to this call I have no money.  So, I’d like an, erm, hmm...overdraft, an overdraft, yes that’s right let’s call it an overdraft.  Wearrrapeople.”

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the jambo poet

it's history repeating itself folks.....strap in..... It's gonna be an even better roller coaster than last time. We still haven't figured out who owns what from the first time around lol

 

Wonder if Regan's departure had anything to do with this. If he wasn't pushed he's maybe thought aw naw...no this again.

 

We might secure a wee place in Europe on the back of this.

 

Maybe Levein has been tapping up Morelles...might get him for nowt.

 

 

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6 hours ago, sadj said:

Surely this is something that has to be taken to task?

Love the wording that King has "promised" to "underwrite" the 7 million. I wonder if that is written into a legally binding document or is it just a "glib promise".

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“As trite as it sounds, the money is almost incidental. it’s about someone having belief in the club and the way it is being run as we move forward and normalise operations."

 

Tick-tock .....

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6 hours ago, farin said:

 

It didn't end well the last time they were involved. 

 

 

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So the  RRM who pledged to cut all ties with onerous contractors, end up doing business with exact same companies sourced by previous non RRM boards.

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...a bit disco

Nothing to see here.

 

A poster will be along shortly to say we're all gullible morons and Rangers are on the up & up.

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I look forward to hearing from CJGJ on this matter. No doubt we are all frothing at the mouth for no reason and these sort of agreements with loan sharks are commonplace at football clubs the world over...

 

In the real world, this is a dangerous game that King is playing. The amazing thing is the Orcs turning a blind eye to all of this. Securing funds against assets and potentially future revenues is exactly what they castigated Craig Whyte and Big Mike for. Yet King does it and not a peep. Astonishing. 

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Its still all smoke and mirrors, it was just background chatter about the Morelos deal, no actual offer was submitted to be rejected, this is just they go about their business, and the media either are that stupid to swallow it up, or worse too cowardly to question it???   Its like the Naismith deal, it was all white noise, Kilmarnock tried but the pitch was a factor and we came in with a real offer,  Naismith admitted he could have held out to see wjat Sevco would offer, but nothing?   If Sevco wanted him, they could have just at least asked for talks and it would have delayed our deal?  Just smoke and mirrors.

 

 

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