Barney Rubble Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 http://www.scotsman.com/news/council_s_economic_leader_rules_out_funding_new_hearts_ground_1_1942890 Thought it might be worthwhile having a seperate thread to save folk wading through mountains of pash ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someday Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 http://www.scotsman.com/news/council_s_economic_leader_rules_out_funding_new_hearts_ground_1_1942890 Thought it might be worthwhile having a seperate thread to save folk wading through mountains of pash ! If Hearts were the ONLY team in Edinburgh we would not be having this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Except Today Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 the main stand at Tynecastle could still be developed if the people with the right attitude & determination want it done. VR just doesnt want to hand over millions to a council that epically failed to build a simple tram line from one end of the city to the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzajt Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 IMO I think he has just lost interest in us altogether and this might be the straw that broke the camels back! he does talk some sense in his interview by saying scottish footbal is run by media.GFA etc, we have took somebatterings over the years with the press/ sfa/refs/linesmen etc and while I dont want to go down the paranoia line it gets harder all the time the way we are being treated by officialdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He talks about it being unfair on the other Edinburgh side, but Spartans do not need another stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 IMO I think he has just lost interest in us altogether and this might be the straw that broke the camels back! he does talk some sense in his interview by saying scottish footbal is run by media.GFA etc, we have took somebatterings over the years with the press/ sfa/refs/linesmen etc and while I dont want to go down the paranoia line it gets harder all the time the way we are being treated by officialdom. It's a pity Vlad couldnt communicate his concerns without the insults. What he states is the bitter truth regarding our game as a whole, but the barbed comments invites a derisory response from those who are responsible but nevertheless have the power. I now fear for the club, we are heading into a critical phase, whilst simulataneously plunging into yet another cycle of bitterness and antipathy. Saturday was of our own doing, but the dark nature of the League Cup defeat and aftermath is far more important. Tomorrows afternoons events in Glasgow should be seen as no less important than what occurred at Tannadice last year, but I fear now, they have or will become besmudged by other episodes that have occurred since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 IMO I think he has just lost interest in us altogether So why's he getting so worked up about a couple of debatable decisions in a run-of-the-mill game against Kilmarnock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzajt Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 It's a pity Vlad couldnt communicate his concerns without the insults. What he states is the bitter truth regarding our game as a whole, but the barbed comments invites a derisory response from those who are responsible but nevertheless have the power. I now fear for the club, we are heading into a critical phase, whilst simulataneously plunging into yet another cycle of bitterness and antipathy. Saturday was of our own doing, but the dark nature of the League Cup defeat and aftermath is far more important. Tomorrows afternoons events in Glasgow should be seen as no less important than what occurred at Tannadice last year, but I fear now, they have or will become besmudged by other episodes that have occurred since. correct that incident there and PS asking for the truth from Brines are both equal, Dougie McDonald got sacked and Celtic won that argument hands down!! however I think we all know what the outcome off tomorrows meeting will be Brines praised to the hilt and PS fined banished to the stand for some time then back in front of the beaks for more punishment after saturday!! As I said previously it's hard not to get paranoid over this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 correct that incident there and PS asking for the truth from Brines are both equal, Dougie McDonald got sacked and Celtic won that argument hands down!! however I think we all know what the outcome off tomorrows meeting will be Brines praised to the hilt and PS fined banished to the stand for some time then back in front of the beaks for more punishment after saturday!! As I said previously it's hard not to get paranoid over this!! Paranoia is a DELUSION of persecution. Truth or actuality can count against such a diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Predictable. It never seemed a runner to me. The day the Council does anything (other than a civic reception after a cup win) for either Edinburgh club, pigs will fly. Puzzled as to why Sighthill is dismissed because people might want to park around there. Can't see it being more difficult than parking in Gorgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Predictable. It never seemed a runner to me. The day the Council does anything (other than a civic reception after a cup win) for either Edinburgh club, pigs will fly. Puzzled as to why Sighthill is dismissed because people might want to park around there. Can't see it being more difficult than parking in Gorgie. FA surely you should know by now that most of the time when a councillor or politician says ABC can't happen because of XYZ it's a rhetorical excuse or reason ie a simple pronouncement ... you aren't supposed to examine them or hold them up to close scrutiny or factual accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 FA surely you should know by now that most of the time when a councillor or politician says ABC can't happen because of XYZ it's a rhetorical excuse or reason ie a simple pronouncement ... you aren't supposed to examine them or hold them up to close scrutiny or factual accuracy. Silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 FA surely you should know by now that most of the time when a councillor or politician says ABC can't happen because of XYZ it's a rhetorical excuse or reason ie a simple pronouncement ... you aren't supposed to examine them or hold them up to close scrutiny or factual accuracy. With all due respect CB could the above statement not also be aimed at many businessmen, including our own Mr Romanov. Most people who hold any sort of power at the very top make statements which suit their own agenda, but in the overall scheme of things turn out to be nonsensical on many occasions. Such people have a tendency to say what suits them on any given day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgiefaithful Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If Hearts were the ONLY team in Edinburgh we would not be having this problem. There are other teams in Edinburgh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 With all due respect CB could the above statement not also be aimed at many businessmen, including our own Mr Romanov. Most people who hold any sort of power at the very top make statements which suit their own agenda, but in the overall scheme of things turn out to be nonsensical on many occasions. Such people have a tendency to say what suits them on any given day. Possibly very true PJ1 it's just that politicians generally get much more air-time and media exposure and have more excuses to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Possibly very true PJ1 it's just that politicians generally get much more air-time and media exposure and have more excuses to make. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyw_1874 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If Hearts were the ONLY team in Edinburgh we would not be having this problem. We are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just a couple of other points. I never for one moment expected that the Council would contribute a penny towards a new stadium for Hearts, but having agreed to the joint survey why does Buchanan have to sound quite so dismissive. Why not at least "we can't commit council funds but we will do what we can to support any reasonable plans Hearts put forward". Haringay Council in London are bending over backwards, including easing the way for planning consents, in an effort to keep Tottenham in their borough, whereas you get the impression the Council would he quite happy if Hearts buggered off to West Lothian. And as for "we won't invest in facilities for the benefit of half the city" - he's got to be joking. What proportion of the city will benefit from the trams (which of course the Council wanted Hearts to contribute to financially)? Does even one tenth of the population live or work near the route of the tram line? No wonder Vlad gets frustrated. (And sorry CB Ii realise I have again been naive in treating a politicians words as something capable of rational analysis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just a couple of other points. I never for one moment expected that the Council would contribute a penny towards a new stadium for Hearts, but having agreed to the joint survey why does Buchanan have to sound quite so dismissive. Why not at least "we can't commit council funds but we will do what we can to support any reasonable plans Hearts put forward". Haringay Council in London are bending over backwards, including easing the way for planning consents, in an effort to keep Tottenham in their borough, whereas you get the impression the Council would he quite happy if Hearts buggered off to West Lothian. And as for "we won't invest in facilities for the benefit of half the city" - he's got to be joking. What proportion of the city will benefit from the trams (which of course the Council wanted Hearts to contribute to financially)? Does even one tenth of the population live or work near the route of the tram line? No wonder Vlad gets frustrated. (And sorry CB Ii realise I have again been naive in treating a politicians words as something capable of rational analysis) Agree to some extent. But the calibre of politicians in Edinburgh is something approaching sixth or seventh rate. Of course 'half the city' wouldn't benefit anyway! Buchanan could have said that they had looked at the structure/funding of sports services in Edinburgh and that funding a new stadium is not appropriate in that regard. Or that there are rules governing the support for private companies. Or even that there would be concerns about inviting companies in financial distress such as Hearts or even the SRU in as tenants. Or as you say that they will try to work with Hearts (as they obviously did on the Tynecastle School deal) in future. That said I am delighted that it has fallen through already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kingantti1874 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I never believed the council would contribute either, not at free the tram fiasco - how could they... However what this clown councillor needs to realise is hearts constitute more than half of the city - so **** us around at your peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Perhaps the Edinburgh Councillors should treat themselves to a day out in Glasgow to see just how far behind the city has fallen in terms of proper sporting facilities. As mentioned in another context, a quarter of a million people turned out to see the Cup paraded to Gorgie. A sizeable proportion of these people will be able to vote on 3rd May 2012 so standing in the way of Hearts in terms of development might not be the most politically astute course of action as this point in time if these Councillors are looking to another term in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Agree to some extent. But the calibre of politicians in Edinburgh is something approaching sixth or seventh rate. Of course 'half the city' wouldn't benefit anyway! Buchanan could have said that they had looked at the structure/funding of sports services in Edinburgh and that funding a new stadium is not appropriate in that regard. Or that there are rules governing the support for private companies. Or even that there would be concerns about inviting companies in financial distress such as Hearts or even the SRU in as tenants. Or as you say that they will try to work with Hearts (as they obviously did on the Tynecastle School deal) in future. That said I am delighted that it has fallen through already. I think that rating is a tad generous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Wow! Stunning news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney from Sydney Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 So why's he getting so worked up about a couple of debatable decisions in a run-of-the-mill game against Kilmarnock? I think it's only a matter of time before he pulls the plug on us. When that day comes we'll hear rant after rant about it not being his fault etc etc. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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