vegas-voss Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Absolute dire.I don't know if it's the formation or what but the guy is really struggling.Even in the box from corners and freekicks he is nowhere near the play.It's early days so hopefully it will improve but having him stuck up there on his own can't be helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc fan Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He had no help at Ibrox dont know about today wasnt there but when KK returns Sutton will come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Absolute dire.I don't know if it's the formation or what but the guy is really struggling.Even in the box from corners and freekicks he is nowhere near the play.It's early days so hopefully it will improve but having him stuck up there on his own can't be helping. ? He wasn't on his own today. However.... He has been disappointing so far imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He didn't get much service, but he wasn't getting into the positions in the first place which is something that he'll have to work on. He wasn't close enough to his man when going for balls, and seemed to be a second or two behind the play all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyw_1874 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Absolute dire.I don't know if it's the formation or what but the guy is really struggling.Even in the box from corners and freekicks he is nowhere near the play.It's early days so hopefully it will improve but having him stuck up there on his own can't be helping. He had Elliott then Rudi. No excuse. This aint Motherwell any more. Yes he needs a little bit of time but he has to buck up his ideas soon or he will be out the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He looked afraid to attack the ball, which is a shame because his height could cause teams problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Put in a very half-hearted display. He may not be used to the best of his ability by JJ, but that's no excuse whatsoever for a lack of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Seems incapable of winning a header. Seemed ok whenever he got the ball to feet but he certainly can't be regarded as a like for like replacement for Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freewheelin' Jambo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He offered zero today. Elliott's misses were appalling, but at least he got himself into positions were he had opportunities. Sutton looked out of his depth, I have to say. Hope he can come good. Zaliukas was dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He's a ball to feet player. Totally ruined by hoofball. He's not KK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He wasused to playing with more attacking players at Motherwell. Our lot are pretty lazy but he needs someone alongside him, thought Elliott would've helped him out but for me, there was something not right in that midfield from kick-off. Ihave never rated Mrowiec so maybe they should've played Stevenson in there to add that wee bit more urgency, Mrowiec's pish and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The service he got today was superb. He should have had a hatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sheldon Cooper Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Feeling a bit sorry for Sutton. He's not an out and out target man and we can't punt the ball up to him for 90 minutes because it won't get us anywhere. We need to get the wingers to run to the byline and cross it in from there, that's his game and he will get goals if we do this. Jefferies seemed to realise this by bringing on Novikovas and Skacel and trying to get the team to play the ball down the line a bit more, but then if he's going to take Sutton off 5 minutes later then there's no point making the original substitutions in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds66 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He does not look fit, hardly got off the ground once and looked heavy legged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Feeling a bit sorry for Sutton. He's not an out and out target man and we can't punt the ball up to him for 90 minutes because it won't get us anywhere. We need to get the wingers to run to the byline and cross it in from there, that's his game and he will get goals if we do this. Jefferies seemed to realise this by bringing on Novikovas and Skacel and trying to get the team to play the ball down the line a bit more, but then if he's going to take Sutton off 5 minutes later then there's no point making the original substitutions in the first place. Absolutely spot on. He thrives on good crosses not balls lumped up to him. Pointless against Kenneth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Thread title should read; John Sutton got no service. Guys a player. No doubt. Don't think he deserved to be singled out today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He's a ball to feet player. Totally ruined by hoofball. He's not KK. Correct on all three points, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Gary Kenneth, who played well today, had him in his back pocket. Too many hopeful punts to Sutton. I'm optimistic that he will get better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The service he got today was superb. He should have had a hatrick (He was pish though...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (He was pish though...) Strikers need service, he got....... none. To single him out as pish is incredible and a typical kickback drama queen over reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Feeling a bit sorry for Sutton. He's not an out and out target man and we can't punt the ball up to him for 90 minutes because it won't get us anywhere. We need to get the wingers to run to the byline and cross it in from there, that's his game and he will get goals if we do this. Jefferies seemed to realise this by bringing on Novikovas and Skacel and trying to get the team to play the ball down the line a bit more, but then if he's going to take Sutton off 5 minutes later then there's no point making the original substitutions in the first place. Agreed. I was disappointed when he was subbed off at that point, and although he wasn't really in the game, thought he still might have scored. I was more disappointed in Elliott's performance. He seemed to lack movement, and missed a few chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The service to him today was pretty poor as he is certainly no KK. That having been said his own movement was very poor. He did seem heavy legged and off the pace. Seemed to be a second or two late in terms of reaction and nd as far as being in the right place at the right time... Stevenson showed more attitude and determination in 5 minutes. Far too early to write the guy off but that certainly won't feature as his best performance in a Hearts jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty JTs Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He does not look fit, hardly got off the ground once and looked heavy legged. Completely agree with that and Gary (chunter) Kennith had him in his back pocket for what must have been the easiest game of his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 I'm certainly not righting him off and as I said in my opening post the guy needs help and keeping him stuck up there on his own isn't going to do his confidence any good.Maybe all it will take is that first goal but I still thought he was dire today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Agreed. I was disappointed when he was subbed off at that point, and although he wasn't really in the game, thought he still might have scored. I was more disappointed in Elliott's performance. He seemed to lack movement, and missed a few chances. Shows you how people see games differently. I though Elliot was doing most of the running for the front two. JJ says that Elliot has been on fire in training. Would have to ask what exactly is he doing to earn those plaudits coz I haven't really seen it since he arrived. He ain't a natural finisher that's certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 we can all agree on 1 thing this 442 formation didnt work sutton didnt get any service give him a chance he is just settling in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 we can all agree on 1 thing this 442 formation didnt work sutton didnt get any service give him a chance he is just settling in Did we play 4-4-2.I thought it was more 4-2-3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Rudi was on one minute and he'd set up Sutton with a close chance. Sutton needs service and got none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Early days but he looks immobile and one-paced. His brother had the footballing nous but does John? Perhaps he will get better when our other players work out what sort of service he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 we can all agree on 1 thing this 442 formation didnt work sutton didnt get any service give him a chance he is just settling in The 442 didnt seem as straight forward as 442 should in the first half there was no width especially on the right, mcgown didnt get forward and black had to move out there and utd found it easy to cover. Sutton was poor, for a 6 foot plus player he doesn't win headers and if he aint a target man then his positioning is poor. and he looks unfit. JJ took too long to give us width, it was obvious in the first half but no change till midway second. Having said that i thought we were the slightly better team today they just got the goal. And their fans were better than ours!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Did we play 4-4-2.I thought it was more 4-2-3-1 from my angle it was a 442 with temps ocassionally going up beside sutton and elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Did we play 4-4-2.I thought it was more 4-2-3-1 Seemed to me it was 4-2-2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Complaining about a player like Sutton after 90 minutes of Hearts players punting the ball from the back or playing absolutely shyte passes around midfield shows how utterly stupid some fans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The 442 didnt seem as straight forward as 442 should in the first half there was no width especially on the right, mcgown didnt get forward and black had to move out there and utd found it easy to cover. Sutton was poor, for a 6 foot plus player he doesn't win headers and if he aint a target man then his positioning is poor. and he looks unfit. JJ took too long to give us width, it was obvious in the first half but no change till midway second. Having said that i thought we were the slightly better team today they just got the goal. And their fans were better than ours!! i agree that jj took way too long to make the sub the game was crying out for width i actually think if we had brought novi and rudi on 10 min earlier we would have a least got a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Paul's Ray Bans Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He has got the ability. Needs to play with another striker to get the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He has got the ability. Needs to play with another striker to get the best out of him. He was playing with Elliott today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Strikers need service, he got....... none. To single him out as pish is incredible and a typical kickback drama queen over reaction. Exactly! Every single ball came to his head. When was he given a chance to run with the ball? He wasn't! But yes... he was pish! We were ALL over them in the first half, but second half we were sh*te! I PRAY Sutton comes good, but right now its looking horrendous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i agree that jj took way too long to make the sub the game was crying out for width i actually think if we had brought novi and rudi on 10 min earlier we would have a least got a point If he'd done it first half we would won IMO, i dont like to criticise jj but subs with 10/20 mins to go when its clear the system isnt working is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Strikers need service, he got....... none. To single him out as pish is incredible and a typical kickback drama queen over reaction. Thanks for that. Still thought he was pish today, and has looked equally pish in any of the games I have seen him play for us in so far. That's not to let anyone else - our wingers and attacking midfielders, especially - off the hook. Most of the time, they've been pish as well, and have given him pish service where they've given him any at all. Equally, it's not to say that Sutton is a pish player: I know he's capable of playing a lot better than he has done so far for us. But, as a long-suffering Hearts fan of many years, I reserve the right to decry pish where and when I see it. And Sutton, Zaliukas, Templeton (almost all of the time), Elliott, Novikovas (I know he was only on for a short period but - for that period - he was pish), and JJ's formation, tactics, and game-plan were all pish. Jonsson wasn't great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Paul's Ray Bans Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He was playing with Elliott today My bad. Ignore my inane rambling... but i agree with most posters here - needs better service. Hopefully Taouil will be deployed as a creative midfielder and create more; although i would prefer a new player brought in to create chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 If he'd done it first half we would won IMO, i dont like to criticise jj but subs with 10/20 mins to go when its clear the system isnt working is poor. i still believe in jj he can get it right in games but he can get it wrong today was just 1 of those days we also couldve had a couple of goals if elliott didnt miss those sitters it couldve been a completely diffrent conversation that we are having Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 i still believe in jj he can get it right in games but he can get it wrong today was just 1 of those days we also couldve had a couple of goals if elliott didnt miss those sitters it couldve been a completely diffrent conversation that we are having Your right mate, we got beat so it's negative's that are coming out! I think if that's utd's best then they're nothing to worry about,we were slightly better had better chances and had the euro hangover every team suffers when returning. Grainger was class, obua tried to play the ball on the deck and spread it, dissapointed to lose but it'll come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD_JAMBO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Your right mate, we got beat so it's negative's that are coming out! I think if that's utd's best then they're nothing to worry about,we were slightly better had better chances and had the euro hangover every team suffers when returning. Grainger was class, obua tried to play the ball on the deck and spread it, dissapointed to lose but it'll come together. totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Your right mate, we got beat so it's negative's that are coming out! I think if that's utd's best then they're nothing to worry about,we were slightly better had better chances and had the euro hangover every team suffers when returning. Grainger was class, obua tried to play the ball on the deck and spread it, dissapointed to lose but it'll come together. Don't know about that, Utd will be the main 3rd place challenger this season again, they have been pretty much the most consistant side outwith the oldfirm for about 4 seasons now, had we not went on that good run of form in the middle of last season then they would've finished 3rd quite comfortably. Was expecting them to be poorer this season with the players they've got rid off from last year but looks like they'll be our main threat again. The scouting and coaching must be better quality than we have at our place. Utd moped up everything we threw at them today and this has become a regular thing these last few years against them, we always struggle against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Agree with most of the posts from 10 to about 20. He is not Kevin Kyle. There is no point just humping long balls at him from the final third as that's not his game. He likes to takes balls into his chest and lay them off, he likes running on to decent crosses, he's a good finisher. How many decent crosses has he had to attack in his games for us so far ? We need to play to his strengths not just lump it forward to him from the centre halfs. Fecking dreadful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He had no help at Ibrox dont know about today wasnt there but when KK returns Sutton will come good When KK returns Sutton will be on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Agree with most of the posts from 10 to about 20. He is not Kevin Kyle. There is no point just humping long balls at him from the final third as that's not his game. He likes to takes balls into his chest and lay them off, he likes running on to decent crosses, he's a good finisher. How many decent crosses has he had to attack in his games for us so far ? We need to play to his strengths not just lump it forward to him from the centre halfs. Fecking dreadful stuff. 2 very good chances from excellent crosses against Paksi, one of which he barely touched and the other he put straight at the goalie with little conviction. Not writing him off in any way - he may well come good. He was the signing I had most worry about though, while most seemed to be creaming themselves. Looking at his career, he's had a good half season. People were turning their noses up at the thought of Higdon, but there's no much difference in them. He was signed by JJ mainly because he caused us problems when he played us and has always looked a handful. I think there have been worries so far that he isn't the player we thought we were signing. Hopefully he's just finding his feet. He has to do it fast. Can't comment on today, but I was a little disappointed with him against Paksi and Rangers - especially second half when we needed him to lead the line for us. No need to get on the lad's back though - lets give him time to get some form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebles jambo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 When KK returns Sutton will be on the bench. not so sure about that, think he was better than elliot today, more likely elliot will be benchwarming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Rom?n Riquelme Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 He's getting used like a target man and that doesn't suit his game. Just cos he's big doesn't mean he can deal with 70 yards balls lumped at his head for a whole game. Our wingers need to get to the byline and provide some decent service to him before he starts scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Two games in and we're pissed off already. It normally takes until at least the start of September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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