Craig Gordons Gloves Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know how much this story has been covered in the UK media outside of the telegraph and the daily heil but it's top news here, especially as he's from Minnesota. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/28/minnesota-dentist-walter-james-palmer-cecil-lion-africa/30785881/ Now, while I wholeheartedly agree that what he did was wrong, the social justice warriors are out in force on the Internet and have set about destroying this guy, his dental practice has had to close its Facebook page down, the yelp reviews are nothing but abuse and Twitter is having 'fun'. At his dental office Minnesotans have been leaving stuffed animals outside including lions. That's how they register their displeasure here Anyway, I guess my point is all about the pitchfork nation inhabitants that have basically gone to town on this guy. Again, I don't agree with what he did or hunting in general aside from for subsistence but this is another classic example of people losing their shit on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This guy should be made to go back over there and face criminal charges along with the guys who helped him. Makes no sense to me but I don't enjoy killing things just for the sake of it for a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Big tough guy shoots an unsuspecting animal with a bow and arrow, which then took 40 hours to die. The more verbal abuse he gets, the better. He deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 OP is dead wrong here, with respect. Web warriors are usually ridiculous but in this case the boy deserves everything he gets. People power at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Twitter will be outraged for a few days - ruin the guy's life - and move on to the next thing Twitter is outraged about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know how much this story has been covered in the UK media outside of the telegraph and the daily heil but it's top news here, especially as he's from Minnesota. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/28/minnesota-dentist-walter-james-palmer-cecil-lion-africa/30785881/ Now, while I wholeheartedly agree that what he did was wrong, the social justice warriors are out in force on the Internet and have set about destroying this guy, his dental practice has had to close its Facebook page down, the yelp reviews are nothing but abuse and Twitter is having 'fun'. At his dental office Minnesotans have been leaving stuffed animals outside including lions. That's how they register their displeasure here Anyway, I guess my point is all about the pitchfork nation inhabitants that have basically gone to town on this guy. Again, I don't agree with what he did or hunting in general aside from for subsistence but this is another classic example of people losing their shit on the Internet. In fairness, unless someone shot him with an actual crossbow and had made him look at social media for the last 40 hours, it's probably pretty easy for him to avoid the pitchforks. If the guy's reputation and business are destroyed as a result of his weird, and apparently illegal, desire to murder defenceless animals purely for fun, I'm not very sympathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stone rose Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He's getting off pretty lightly IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm all for his life being ruined. I wish we could get an update on these people in, say, 5 years time. Would be nice to know that their life was still in tatters. See if they have some genuine remorse at that point instead of just an empty apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm assuming that this guy has employees who'll be affected by the pitchfork brigade ruining his business. But screw them, right? As for the people wanting his life ruined I assume they feel the same way about any other person involved in criminal activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm all for his life being ruined. I wish we could get an update on these people in, say, 5 years time. Would be nice to know that their life was still in tatters. See if they have some genuine remorse at that point instead of just an empty apology. My guess is he will have moved somewhere else and still be involved in horrific acts of animal torture. It's just in these people to be cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm assuming that this guy has employees who'll be affected by the pitchfork brigade ruining his business. But screw them, right? As for the people wanting his life ruined I assume they feel the same way about any other person involved in criminal activity? So anyone who runs a business and employs people is above the law. He wont get what he deserves but hopefully his life will be in tatters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm assuming that this guy has employees who'll be affected by the pitchfork brigade ruining his business. But screw them, right? As for the people wanting his life ruined I assume they feel the same way about any other person involved in criminal activity? this is a guy with previous, so he obviously doesn't give a flying about laws, do we just let him wade through the rules until he finds 1 that upsets everyone. people involved in criminal activities, know what their doing so ***k them, i'm more interested in seeing that the victims of these criminals are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 People have every right to make the ***** life a misery, anyone who thinks it's ok or fun to kill animals is a ****ing scumbag and should be recognised as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Killing lions Absolutely idiotic behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Big tough guy shoots an unsuspecting animal with a bow and arrow, which then took 40 hours to die. The more verbal abuse he gets, the better. He deserves it. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm assuming that this guy has employees who'll be affected by the pitchfork brigade ruining his business. But screw them, right? As for the people wanting his life ruined I assume they feel the same way about any other person involved in criminal activity? What a surprise.I bet you enjoy fox hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm assuming that this guy has employees who'll be affected by the pitchfork brigade ruining his business. But screw them, right? As for the people wanting his life ruined I assume they feel the same way about any other person involved in criminal activity? Your posts are usual good Maj even if I don't agree a lot but this was a really stupid thing to say. So if I want to break the law I should just start a business. Just those that take a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Killing animals for fun puts people in the must have a very small penis and be very insecure category. I hope he never gets a good night's sleep ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Who did he pay the 50k to to hunt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He deserves all he gets. A supposedly intelligent person shooting an animal with a bow and arrow for pleasure and it taking 40 hours to die. A real hero. Did he really expect any other reaction from the rest of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Who did he pay the 50k to to hunt it? the 2 hunter/trackers with no license, who have since been arrested and charged with poaching/illegal hunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I see that the locals who helped this scumbag are being prosecuted but he isn't because he is a foreigner. He should be extradited and be forced to do hard time in some hell-hole African prison. He committed a crime and should do the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If the guy has broken the law then he should be prosecuted. What I can't get onboard with is a rent a mob online or in person harassing people. It's pitchfork stuff and isn't acceptable. I didn't say he should be above the law. But actively targeting a business that will employ others is the work of a total scumbag. 'Community justice' though, amarite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 No sympathy for him. You reap what you sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 His comments show no remorse for the suffering of the lion only that he never had the right paperwork to torture it. I'd get banned for saying what I hope happens to him and his kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 His comments show no remorse for the suffering of the lion only that he never had the right paperwork to torture it. I'd get banned for saying what I hope happens to him and his kind. Me too. He has lost his rights to human existence. Luring a creature with bait then shooting it with a crossbow? Then trying to destroy the tracker when he found it? Then decapitating the body? May his soul rot in hell and any of his family who supported this evil animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He didn't realise it was a famous lion. Like that matters a ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 guy should be shot in the knee with a bow and arrow, forced to crawl in agony for 40 hours then have his head blown off with a high power rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 guy should be shot in the knee with a bow and arrow, forced to crawl in agony for 40 hours then have his head blown off with a high power rifle. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If the guy has broken the law then he should be prosecuted. What I can't get onboard with is a rent a mob online or in person harassing people. It's pitchfork stuff and isn't acceptable. I didn't say he should be above the law. But actively targeting a business that will employ others is the work of a total scumbag. 'Community justice' though, amarite? if normal justice is served, he will be on a plane to Zimbabwe now, facing up to 15 years and his employees will be out a job so unfortunately for them circumstances havn't worked well. without the online/pitchfork carry on this might well have been swept under/ignored, it is only by highlighting it that some form of justice, will be served. I doub't America has a treaty with Zimbabwe and Americas appeal/counter claim courts could drag this case out way beyond justice ever being served so publicly embarrassing him is about as much as he's going to suffer and by his attitude that wont be a great hardship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If the guy has broken the law then he should be prosecuted. What I can't get onboard with is a rent a mob online or in person harassing people. It's pitchfork stuff and isn't acceptable. I didn't say he should be above the law. But actively targeting a business that will employ others is the work of a total scumbag. 'Community justice' though, amarite? The death of religion has produced a lot of unfounded certainty and a lot of self-righteousness. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5605/why_charlatans_and_demagogues_are_flourishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are people genuinely condoning torture and death for this guy? If they are, they're no better than the dentist in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So a presumably flourishing (if the ***** can afford $50k to go kill a lion it can't be doing too badly) dental practice is just gonna go to the wall, d'you reckon? Or do think some entrepreneurial type will snap it up and this arsehole's employees won't actually find themselves unemployed for a sustained period? ***** deserves all he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If the guy has broken the law then he should be prosecuted. What I can't get onboard with is a rent a mob online or in person harassing people. It's pitchfork stuff and isn't acceptable. I didn't say he should be above the law. But actively targeting a business that will employ others is the work of a total scumbag. 'Community justice' though, amarite? See if these folk haven't broken the law with what they are doing then you don't have any position to bitch and moan from. You'd be happy for this to be swept under the carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are people genuinely condoning torture and death for this guy? If they are, they're no better than the dentist in my opinion. I honestly hope he endures the same pain he inflicted on the lion. I'm a bad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Nowhere near as bad as a photo I saw this week of a bunch of hunters posing on a dead rhino draped with the Stars and Stripes. That's a whole higher level of stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are people genuinely condoning torture and death for this guy? If they are, they're no better than the dentist in my opinion. For premeditated luring and murder of an innocent creature? Yes. I cant begin to feel how desperate that poor animal must have been in its last hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 For premeditated luring and murder of an innocent creature? Yes. I cant begin to feel how desperate that poor animal must have been in its last hours. Fair enough. Personally, I can't support capital punishment and torture as punishments for any crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 To go out hunting properly is one thing. I've been out deer hunting a couple of times. On each occasion, any animal shot was not left to suffer for 40 hours, but was dealt with there and then. Any deer killed then entered the food chain. It's the same as going salmon fishing. When you go shooting endangered animals for fun, leave the animal to suffer in agony for almost 2 days, then use the animal as a trophy is totally different, it is basically murder, IMHO anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The death of religion has produced a lot of unfounded certainty and a lot of self-righteousness. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5605/why_charlatans_and_demagogues_are_flourishing Struggling to get the link with your article about a Spanish philosopher; economic narcissism and an outdated summary on the SNP's Mhairi Black and a culture of resentment; with the story of a man with an obvious inbred need to shoot live animals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hunting for meat however you look at it is a legitimate practice provided it is carried out humanely but hunting for trophies should be left to the dark ages. This pathetic human being deserves all the flack he has received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 See if these folk haven't broken the law with what they are doing then you don't have any position to bitch and moan from. You'd be happy for this to be swept under the carpet. You cant just make stuff up to paint me as a bogey man. And I am perfectly entitled to bitch and moan about behaviour I don't approve of. You can act within the law but still act like an animal. The savages that chased Farage off the streets of Edinburgh didn't break the law but acted like hooligans - I disapprove of that, for example. (mod delete. Please leave Scottish politics out of this discussion.) If this guy has broken the law he should be prosecuted - he should not be hounded and his place of work should not be harassed. I like it how the pitchforkers pick and choose what crimes they get upset about and act accordingly. Do you think that everyone who commits a crime should be harassed? Should everyone who works with someone who has committed a crime be subjected to 'social justice' which could damage the business? The answer should, of course, be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He didn't realise it was a famous lion. Like that matters a ****! That's actually the bit that stood out to me from the article as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Struggling to get the link with your article about a Spanish philosopher; economic narcissism and an outdated summary on the SNP's Mhairi Black and a culture of resentment; with the story of a man with an obvious inbred need to shoot live animals ? Both the article and this thread are partly about "community justice" and why it flourishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 **** him. He's a dick. (I can argue this more intelligently if required) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Feel sorry for his staff at the dental practice , feel sorry for his family if they're receiving abuse For him well he can go **** himself Leaving an animal to suffer for 40 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Feel sorry for his staff at the dental practice , feel sorry for his family if they're receiving abuse For him well he can go **** himself Leaving an animal to suffer for 40 hours I'm sure his staff will be supported - everyone will know its not their fault. As for his family though - it depends if they are supportive of him paying $50,000 dollars, presumably of family money, to go and lure and murder a creature in another country. If they were, then they need to suffer the feedback from others. As for him - no sympathy whatsoever. I hope he doesn't "get off with it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Both the article and this thread are partly about "community justice" and why it flourishes. It's interesting - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm sure his staff will be supported - everyone will know its not their fault. As for his family though - it depends if they are supportive of him paying $50,000 dollars, presumably of family money, to go and lure and murder a creature in another country. If they were, then they need to suffer the feedback from others. As for him - no sympathy whatsoever. I hope he doesn't "get off with it". What about the loss of business "I'm not getting my teeth done there as that is that nasty hunter's practice"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 What about the loss of business "I'm not getting my teeth done there as that is that nasty hunter's practice"? So what about it? People choose where to take their business on a range of reasons. I happen not to drink Tennents Lager because they sponsored Celtic at the time of the Green Brigades protest on rememberance day. Thats my personal choice based on my personal principles. In this case staff will I'm sure be supported. I bear no ill-will to them and I'm sure the community at large will support them. But premeditating murderers can rot in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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