Roy Slater Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 It was warm yesterday, I was sweating like Neil lennons postie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 What's the only thing that's worse than letting Charlie Mulgrew watch your kid.............letting him play pass the parcel with Neil Lennon! boom boom, al get ma coat.......... Was that an intentional double entendre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Someone posted about the Berwick Rangers player yesterday. It is on STV news today that his contract has been terminated. I don't want to link it because I know the other link was removed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Someone posted about the Berwick Rangers player yesterday. It is on STV news today that his contract has been terminated. I don't want to link it because I know the other link was removed yesterday. According to the info available via the link on the first page of this thread, a Jambo called Jim Hardie was also the recipient of many pizzas, kebabs, escorts, telephone calls, fake estimate enquiries, Hibs season ticket application forms and god knows what else last night as a consequence of a silly remark he made on his twitter. I believe he has appointments for new windows, patio, conservatory, driveway coming up plus a mobile hairdresser should be visiting sometime tomorrow. Oh yeah, and a Clyde U19 player called Max McKee was reported for a daft remark he made too.As was a Motherwell U19 youngster I believe. Some twitter entity called @CelticResearch is handling the search and destroy mission, they've pledged to report everything they find to friends/family/employers/customers...you name it.... don't these people have proper jobs to go to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 According to the info available via the link on the first page of this thread, a Jambo called Jim Hardie was also the recipient of many pizzas, kebabs, escorts, telephone calls, fake estimate enquiries, Hibs season ticket application forms and god knows what else last night as a consequence of a silly remark he made on his twitter. I believe he has appointments for new windows, patio, conservatory, driveway coming up plus a mobile hairdresser should be visiting sometime tomorrow. Oh yeah, and a Clyde U19 player called Max McKee was reported for a daft remark he made too.As was a Motherwell U19 youngster I believe. Some twitter entity called @CelticResearch is handling the search and destroy mission, they've pledged to report everything they find to friends/family/employers/customers...you name it.... don't these people have proper jobs to go to? The fact that someone with 9000 posts can write that without irony says a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 The fact that someone with 9000 posts can write that without irony says a lot Well, yes. The difference being that while I can accept that some weedgies have figured out how to use the interweb and do some typing, I refuse to believe that they're in any way, shape or form capable of the essential life/employed-forum-dweller skill known as multi-tasking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Just got that book, It's pretty interesting I might have to as well, looks like an informative read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 According to the info available via the link on the first page of this thread, a Jambo called Jim Hardie was also the recipient of many pizzas, kebabs, escorts, telephone calls, fake estimate enquiries, Hibs season ticket application forms and god knows what else last night as a consequence of a silly remark he made on his twitter. I believe he has appointments for new windows, patio, conservatory, driveway coming up plus a mobile hairdresser should be visiting sometime tomorrow. Oh yeah, and a Clyde U19 player called Max McKee was reported for a daft remark he made too.As was a Motherwell U19 youngster I believe. Some twitter entity called @CelticResearch is handling the search and destroy mission, they've pledged to report everything they find to friends/family/employers/customers...you name it.... don't these people have proper jobs to go to? Just...wow. I see they are picking up the twitter of u14 kids at ayr, for example, and then reporting them. Club has had something of a deluge of calls and emails - senior club staff and their academy looking into into it. Very serious, unacceptable, especially with the background of this week, will be "quashed" official statement will follow. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 According to the info available via the link on the first page of this thread, a Jambo called Jim Hardie was also the recipient of many pizzas, kebabs, escorts, telephone calls, fake estimate enquiries, Hibs season ticket application forms and god knows what else last night as a consequence of a silly remark he made on his twitter. I believe he has appointments for new windows, patio, conservatory, driveway coming up plus a mobile hairdresser should be visiting sometime tomorrow. Oh yeah, and a Clyde U19 player called Max McKee was reported for a daft remark he made too.As was a Motherwell U19 youngster I believe. Some twitter entity called @CelticResearch is handling the search and destroy mission, they've pledged to report everything they find to friends/family/employers/customers...you name it.... don't these people have proper jobs to go to? What did this hearts fan say to merit all that. A witch hunt is deeply disturbing if all that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 What did this hearts fan say to merit all that. A witch hunt is deeply disturbing if all that is true. it is deeply disturbing. Have you looked at the kerrydale st thread? It is incredible. I'm shocked at the levels of hate, of this them and us mentality which is really quite shocking. It's of a level though, which seems to be beyond paranoia, beyond delusion and is actually quite frightening. They are ruining people's lives over, admittedly stupid, offensive or misguided comments made onthe internet. Now there is a whole other question there over humour, over misplaced humour, over uneducated morons even, and of course over bigotry, but what kind of victory is it for an adult to have a 17 yr old kid sacked from his job? If they were really interested in curing the problem then some kind of educational solution would be suggested, but no, personal and vindictive witch hunts over what are, in most cases, poor jokes. But they just can't see that. The fact that three youth players from three Scottish teams from three different parts of the country all had one common interest - the death of Neil Lennon, should prove that there is this dark and frighteningly widespread intolerance in this country and not among the old hardcore but among the supposed future of the game. Did these kids really wish for Lennon's death? Right now in many parts of Scotland there is a dark intolerance so ingrained in much of it's society that those who wish Neil Lennon was dead feel quite comfortable saying such things in public, among strangers, with impunity. In many parts of Scotland? What Scotland do they live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 The Old Firm and their breeds of fans actually sicken me. Beneath contempt. And yet they think they are morally upstanding people. The fact that they can't even see what they are is the worst part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 The Old Firm and their breeds of fans actually sicken me. Beneath contempt. And yet they think they are morally upstanding people. The fact that they can't even see what they are is the worst part. Indeed. Nothing worse than old firm fans or internet hate mobs. Put the two of them together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 it is deeply disturbing. Have you looked at the kerrydale st thread? It is incredible. I'm shocked at the levels of hate, of this them and us mentality which is really quite shocking. It's of a level though, which seems to be beyond paranoia, beyond delusion and is actually quite frightening. They are ruining people's lives over, admittedly stupid, offensive or misguided comments made onthe internet. Now there is a whole other question there over humour, over misplaced humour, over uneducated morons even, and of course over bigotry, but what kind of victory is it for an adult to have a 17 yr old kid sacked from his job? If they were really interested in curing the problem then some kind of educational solution would be suggested, but no, personal and vindictive witch hunts over what are, in most cases, poor jokes. But they just can't see that. Did these kids really wish for Lennon's death? In many parts of Scotland? What Scotland do they live in? It's the hypocrisy that gets me. It's all one way, how did they react when Diamond and Paton of Aberdeen posted about the pope running over "prodies" in his pope mobile, or is it ok to sing a song calling for the death of a Rangers player (Novo) by the IRA. I was reading Ewan Murray's guardian article today, and the comments section was full of Celtic fans calling for the end of the old firm tag when talking about Celtic as only Rangers are sectarian. They also give Ewan abuse for saying anything otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 It's the hypocrisy that gets me. It's all one way, how did they react when Diamond and Paton of Aberdeen posted about the pope running over "prodies" in his pope mobile, or is it ok to sing a song calling for the death of a Rangers player (Novo) by the IRA. I was reading Ewan Murray's guardian article today, and the comments section was full of Celtic fans calling for the end of the old firm tag when talking about Celtic as only Rangers are sectarian. They also give Ewan abuse for saying anything otherwise. It's just pure delusion. Incredible. Notice no one was sacked for calling for the pope to go amok with his popemobile. The stuff on kerrydale st is dripping with hatred and anger and bile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Did these kids really wish for Lennon's death? Nope, not literally. Silly remarks but nothing more malicious than standard kids being daft kids sort of stuff. I saw one of them literally spamming his own Twitter account last night in fright, trying to explain that he was only joking and apologising repeatedly. It was awful. These arsepieces are obviously getting some great big sense of self-righteousness and power out of this mission of theirs. Aye, very good Celtic fans...attacking teenagers over the internet, that's really getting to the heart of the problem. The problem that YOU created and perpetuate with your ignorance and your screwed up 'politics'. ARGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I might have to as well, looks like an informative read. It's out of print and the only one on Amazon was about ?40, I've just finished it so it'll be back in the city Library pretty soon (Shelfmark BR 5060) The central thesis, that the scale of sectarianism in Scotland has been massively exagerated both in terms of modern day society and in terms of Scottish history, is well argued and backed up with data. Few people will read it without their preconceptions being challenged Historically it's demonstrated that the anti-popery movement was a marginal fringe group in Scottish protestantism even in the mid 19th century and even during the brief flare up in the early '30s when anti-Irish candidates were elected in bits of Glasgow and Leith they were political opportunists cashing in on perceived failure of mainstream politics. There are obvious parallells with contemporary minor triumphs by UKIP, The SSP, The BNP and George Galloway. Just as so called "Traditionalist" supporters might be uncomfortable with the idea that their wasn't a golden age when their views weren't treated with derision by the mainstream. What's more any Catholic reader who's grown up with the idea that 'his people' have suffered generations of bleak oppression and discrimination since arriving on these shores will have to question those assumptions. To summarise, Unskilled Catholic Irish Immigrants started at the bottom of the labour market their offspring were poor overwhelmingly for the same reasons that lower working class protestant Scottish people and their children were poor. The fact that the church refused to allow it's schools into the state system will 1918 didn't help either. Such resentment as there was towards the newcomers was found chiefly amongst the people who were competing with them for the low end jobs and these were exactly the people who were in no position to wield substantial power to discriminate against them. The distortion of history and current day events is understandable. The occasional flash point is memorable and newsworthy, people getting on with their lives and getting on with their neighbours isn't. What's more there are plenty of reasons for people to play up the prevalance of damaging sectarianism in modern Scotland. It suits politicians because they can condemn a perceived problem without actually alienating anybody. Binge drinking causes more damage but lots of voters like binge drinking so measures to stop them are going to be un popular. It certainly suits organisations such as "Nil by mouth" who rely on the problem being perceived to be important to receive continued funding. The section on their falsification of crime figures is very interesting. It suits the press for obvious reasons It appeals to Working class Glaswegian males machismo "Ah'm no saying ma neighbourhood was rough but..." It suits such bigots as there are because they would like to fantasise that they're not as fringe as they think. It also suits them to suggest that their opposite numbers are far more numerous and hence a more serious threat, note the way that the Green Brigade are held up as representative of the Celtic support in general. And while the point isn't made in the book it suits modern enlightened liberal metropolitans such as myself in that it appeals to our sense of arrogance and social superiority. On threads like this it's not uncommon for people to proudly proclaim that their hatred for the 'knuckle dragging troglodytes'* of Ibrox and Parkhead is equal as if hating 100,000 people was clearly more reasonable than hating 50,000. Which brings us on to the other part of the book which deals with the Old Firm One thing that is apparent in the analysis is that most serious violent crime identified as sectarian is football related. Indeed football is often the only reason the crime is deemed sectarian in the first place. Attacks involving Protestant Rangers fans and Celtic fans or even Catholic Celtic fans on each other have been reported as sectarian. The meaning of the word "sectarian" is slippery at the best of times but if, as it appears to be, it is being used to mean "connected to Rangers or Celtic" then all further questions regarding the links between these clubs and sectarianism become incoherent. Attempts are also made to contextualise the Old Firm Game compared to other volatile derbies in other parts of the world. Glasgow's police may have a tough time maintaining public order but lots of other forces face similar or sometimes worse challenges, not least in Rotterdam. The gist of the argument seems to be that Modern Scotland has a drunken thug problem rather than a sectarian problem per se. I find myself persuaded * actual insults may vary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Nope, not literally. Silly remarks but nothing more malicious than standard kids being daft kids sort of stuff. I saw one of them literally spamming his own Twitter account last night in fright, trying to explain that he was only joking and apologising repeatedly. It was awful. These arsepieces are obviously getting some great big sense of self-righteousness and power out of this mission of theirs. Aye, very good Celtic fans...attacking teenagers over the internet, that's really getting to the heart of the problem. The problem that YOU created and perpetuate with your ignorance and your screwed up 'politics'. ARGH. Sad, sad state of affairs. Genuinely can't describe my disgust at some of the OF fans, some who should be old enough to know better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 It's out of print and the only one on Amazon was about ?40, I've just finished it so it'll be back in the city Library pretty soon (Shelfmark BR 5060) I've returned it. It'll be in the Scottish Library at the bottom of the Central Library on George IV Bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmaroon Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I've returned it. It'll be in the Scottish Library at the bottom of the Central Library on George IV Bridge An elegant and erudite summary of the book, by the way. This one takes a similar line, but is somewhat more 'academically' oriented: http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?is=1403921679 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Up to our knees in what? Oh, just a joke...didnae really mean it... its just banter... no, the young kids here won't pick it up.... and nut, I wouldn't sing it if i wasn't surrounded by thousands of folk... The next Jambo to sing this, deserves to be handed to the Old Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 An elegant and erudite summary of the book, by the way. This one takes a similar line, but is somewhat more 'academically' oriented: http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?is=1403921679 Looks interesting. Will track it down at my local library. It would seem to sum up my own feelings. Sectarianism today is limited to a small percentage of mostly semi-retarded 'white trash' (and I can count some of my own family in this, sadly) to be blunt and instigated by football tribalism rather than religious bigotry. If Rangers' hordes were real Christian Protestants, they'd be in church on a Sunday and not at Ibrox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 An elegant and erudite summary of the book, by the way. This one takes a similar line, but is somewhat more 'academically' oriented: http://www.palgrave....x?is=1403921679 Unfortunately Edinburgh City Library don't have it and I'm not going to spend ?60 on a 200 page book Do you have a copy I could borrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmaroon Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Unfortunately Edinburgh City Library don't have it and I'm not going to spend ?60 on a 200 page book Do you have a copy I could borrow? PM me TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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