Harry Potter Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, Sir PH said: Don't be silly. Offside was brought in years ago to stop poaching, to be offside by an inch or 2 is farcical. imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 35 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Offside was brought in years ago to stop poaching, to be offside by an inch or 2 is farcical. imo. 👍🏻 especially now the game is so compressed and teams are so good at squeezing the game. I think it absolutely needs a shake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 18 hours ago, Footballfirst said: The VAR system is not at fault. It's the people who operate it, those who feel empowered to re-referee a game, a reluctance to ask more senior officials to review their decisions, changes to the laws and inconsistency in the interpretation of those laws. So what you're saying is, it is the system that is at fault... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: So what you're saying is, it is the system that is at fault... Nope. It's people who are at fault, the same people whose failings resulted in VAR being implemented in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 47 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Offside was brought in years ago to stop poaching, to be offside by an inch or 2 is farcical. imo. I'd bring in the daylight rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Those are sports that have natural breaks between plays, like cricket. Football doesn't. In every American sport where it was introduced, there have been complaints about overturning the field ref, taking too long, ruining the drama, breaking the flow of the game. Every single one. In every sport it's been reformed significantly since its first introduction to the point that it's widely considered a good thing and the disruptions have been reduced so that the ones that remain are considered worth the cost. That football has deemed itself too unique and special to learn anything from these experiences (including a stopwatch that limits review time, narrowly defining what can be reviewed, narrowing the criteria of what has to be visible in the review, making reviews the subject of a coach's challenge and limiting those per game, etc.) that is the problem. These problems have all been solved before if the great minds that run football care to peer beyond their associations. 50 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Offside was brought in years ago to stop poaching, to be offside by an inch or 2 is farcical. imo. 2 minutes ago, Sir PH said: I'd bring in the daylight rule. Exactly. it would change the way defenders had to play but it would also likely open more space in the midfield as more sagged off of attackers for caution. How many football fans watch and see an offside trap and say, "ah, that's a thing of beauty, that's what football is all about. . ." Even if you appreciate the graft and guile of it it's hardly enjoyable to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 36 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: In every American sport where it was introduced, there have been complaints about overturning the field ref, taking too long, ruining the drama, breaking the flow of the game. Every single one. In every sport it's been reformed significantly since its first introduction to the point that it's widely considered a good thing and the disruptions have been reduced so that the ones that remain are considered worth the cost. That football has deemed itself too unique and special to learn anything from these experiences (including a stopwatch that limits review time, narrowly defining what can be reviewed, narrowing the criteria of what has to be visible in the review, making reviews the subject of a coach's challenge and limiting those per game, etc.) that is the problem. These problems have all been solved before if the great minds that run football care to peer beyond their associations. Exactly. it would change the way defenders had to play but it would also likely open more space in the midfield as more sagged off of attackers for caution. How many football fans watch and see an offside trap and say, "ah, that's a thing of beauty, that's what football is all about. . ." Even if you appreciate the graft and guile of it it's hardly enjoyable to watch. In Italy, it's an art form. And I wish I was exaggerating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 19 hours ago, Footballfirst said: The VAR system is not at fault. It's the people who operate it, those who feel empowered to re-referee a game, a reluctance to ask more senior officials to review their decisions, changes to the laws and inconsistency in the interpretation of those laws. Yep. Can't get away from the belief that they've taken what should be a relatively simple and straightforward addition to the game and added too many weird rules that don't make sense. It was always advertised as "Clear and Obvious Errors" yet we've seen countless clear and obvious errors still get through. I don't even think refs should be "taking a turn on VAR" it should be totally separate. Edited April 25 by OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiro Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 8 hours ago, JimmyCant said: It’s the handball rule that needs looked at again, not VAR. Some of the penalties given for what was essentially an inconsequential accidental handball are ridiculous. Offside needs looked at as well. Being offside by a fecking toenail isn’t why the rule is there The offside VAR check is the one that is most open to abuse. We are shown a picture with lines drawn on it and we are told that, on this evidence, a player is onside/offside. The problem is that we don't know for certain that the picture presented was taken as the ball was played forward .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 39 minutes ago, Tiro said: The offside VAR check is the one that is most open to abuse. We are shown a picture with lines drawn on it and we are told that, on this evidence, a player is onside/offside. The problem is that we don't know for certain that the picture presented was taken as the ball was played forward .. I’ve seen a close up of the Coventry goal the other day and the lines were drawn in the wrong place (across the last boot rather than right on the toe end) Dunno if that puts the boy onside right enough but it’s squeaky close and probably he is (onside) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Nope. It's people who are at fault, the same people whose failings resulted in VAR being implemented in the first place. If people design and implement a faulty system, then the system is at fault. I accept that the technology works as well as it can, but the VAR system sucks balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Tiro said: The offside VAR check is the one that is most open to abuse. We are shown a picture with lines drawn on it and we are told that, on this evidence, a player is onside/offside. The problem is that we don't know for certain that the picture presented was taken as the ball was played forward .. That's the thing that I've often wondered too - we sometimes see lines drawn and then accept that a player is offside, even if it's by a centimetre, but how do we know the video has been frozen at exactly the correct point when the ball is played not, not a split second too early or late. Is that left to the VAR or is there some technology that knows the exact moment to freeze the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Not read the thread, but has anyone suggested that VAR should start running an offside check immediately, in order to award the Free Kick, or indeed let play continue? They certainly don't do this every time in Scotland; It's clearly worthy of being announced as the official course of action Am I well wrong and it's been announced officially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 24/04/2024 at 23:26, waterboy11 said: It’s not necessarily Var that is the issue. It’s the interpretation of the handball rule which is now really overly complex. simplify the handball rule and it should be workable with Var. Moving hand towards the ball = penalty as it was before the men in suits got involved with the law Simplest way is any handball is a pen. If you have the skill to play it against another players hand or arm, you benefit from that skill. If it hits you anywhere on the arm or hand it will have an effect on the direction of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If carlsberg did rivals... Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Var would work better if we got teams of people with no interest in football or any club and trained them on the laws on the game and sat them in a var room to help the officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Apologies for that last post, it's not quite on topic, specifically 👆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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