Negan Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 A good couple of signings there. Even if they are signed as squad players (no one knows yet), they know the league well and can actually beat the first man with a cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On the basis of this season, Spittal and Dhanda will be a clear upgrade on Fraser and Grant. At the very least it’ll help massively with the Thurs/Sun schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May98 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 23 minutes ago, Chimp said: So we're in the same position financially as Killie? You're not grasping that different clubs have different limits as to what they are able to accept/reject. If they were to get anything close to £1M for a player with a year left that's a lot of cash for a team like Kilmarnock. We are in a similar position of wanting to hold out for the best possible offer for our best player. They will be looking for more than £1m for Armstrong and correctly so based on his performances the last couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May98 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 16 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: What's the issue with that? You do realize if we sell Shankland (or anyone else for that matter), we receive money? That's where the money comes from. Oh, and wait until you hear this, we get money for finishing 3rd in the league (£5M minimum!!) once we get that over the line. We also have this thing called the Foundation of Hearts, people pay monthly. Add in season ticket sales, and the new 7 figure shirt sponsorship we've just announced last week too. But wait, there's more, Ann Budge has openly said this week, that as we're not restricting cash for any off the field projects, and we'll be spending more on players?! Does that answer where the money is coming from? There is no issue breaking our record transfer fee, I just can’t see it happening for Danny Armstrong of Kilmarnock, it will be for a player we will look to eventually sell for double or treble that amount. Im not daft, I know there is money available and will have a fantastic budget, if you think it’s worth it to break £1m barrier on Armstrong fair enough, I just can’t see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, May98 said: We are in a similar position of wanting to hold out for the best possible offer for our best player. They will be looking for more than £1m for Armstrong and correctly so based on his performances the last couple of seasons. Yes, the best possible is different with each club though I don't know how you don't understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 20 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: Transfermarkt have Armstrong as expiring in 2025, same as Shankland's. They might just want to cash in with a new pitch to pay for. We’re used to signing players that get injured all the time. Signing a dead one would be different, even for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, 1874robbo said: Cos he’s pish Well he’s not, is he? He can be inconsistent and struggle to put a run together, but when he’s good he’s very good. Saying you’d drive him down for free is complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Working on the basis a few are away and others just generally sicknotes, what it looks like perhaps, with departures GK: Clark Gordon RB: Atkinson LB: Penrice Kingsley CB: Kent Rowles Nielson CM: Devlin, Spittal, Nieuwenhof, Tait, Denholm AM/W: McKay, Forrest, Oda, Dhanda, Pollock F: Shankland, Vargas, Tagawa Omissions, Boyce and Halkett, legs have fallen off, transferred out either willingly or unwillingly, Sibbick, Cochrane, Haring, Grant, Beni, Dexter and Fraser loans complete. 4 more in then I reckon assuming no one else disappears. No doubt I have forgotten someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: somehow. Were nearly dead a few years ago Pieman turned them around 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvo69 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I notice Cameron scored a beauty for the U21s last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I think Armstrong is a serious consideration. Yes he's one of Killie's better players and I'm sure they will want a decent fee, but I think a million is stretching it. I think 5 or 6 hundred thou will have them considering it. That's big money for a club like Kilmarnock on a player with one season left on his contract. At only 26 there's also going to be a transfer fee for us in the future if he does well. He would be worth pursuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Interestingly, the EEN have Daniel Phillips ranked #46 out of 60 on the free agents available to sign this summer within the league. Granted it's on a market value basis, but having him at £200K seems very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, tiger Rudi said: I think Armstrong is a serious consideration. Yes he's one of Killie's better players and I'm sure they will want a decent fee, but I think a million is stretching it. I think 5 or 6 hundred thou will have them considering it. That's big money for a club like Kilmarnock on a player with one season left on his contract. At only 26 there's also going to be a transfer fee for us in the future if he does well. He would be worth pursuing. Totally agree on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Interestingly, the EEN have Daniel Phillips ranked #46 out of 60 on the free agents available to sign this summer within the league. Granted it's on a market value basis, but having him at £200K seems very low. is it not based on transfer market. Which is utter shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 29 minutes ago, liam11 said: On the basis of this season, Spittal and Dhanda will be a clear upgrade on Fraser and Grant. At the very least it’ll help massively with the Thurs/Sun schedule. Exactly where I'm at. Not really noticed Penrice overly, other than a good left foot on him. But Spittal and Yan, absolute upgrades in their positions/part of squad imo. Afraid not been overly impressed with Fraser, which isn't to say he isn't a good player and if Naisy trusts him to kick on, fair enough, but I'd suggest both the above are clear upgrades. Similar Grant, actually really like Jorge, but we can have someone with more impact. Dhanda that man. Look at the end of the day, we can incrementally improve. Up the level here and there, deepend the quality in the squad. It's up to the other teams like Hubs and Aberdeen to not only bridge the quality gap but also find a style, manager etc etc which gives them the consistency we have. Essentially we need to do what weve been doing but just up the level a little. Easier said than done, of course, but these types of signings we've made so far are EXACTLY how you do that. It also allows us to have a few boxes ticked and when the window opens we can be looking for the magic to add to our squad, perhaps looking at guys a level or two above which cost a few? Thing is we don't HAVE TO do that, but we now CAN. Nice position to be in frankly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May98 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 31 minutes ago, Chimp said: Yes, the best possible is different with each club though I don't know how you don't understand that. I do. Our valuation of £700k is much lower than what they will be looking for though. Like Shankland the player will be more valuable to the club than selling for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: is it not based on transfer market. Which is utter shite Aye market value. Has Haring astonishingly higher than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, tiger Rudi said: I think Armstrong is a serious consideration. Yes he's one of Killie's better players and I'm sure they will want a decent fee, but I think a million is stretching it. I think 5 or 6 hundred thou will have them considering it. That's big money for a club like Kilmarnock on a player with one season left on his contract. At only 26 there's also going to be a transfer fee for us in the future if he does well. He would be worth pursuing. Not sure what Kilmarnock would be after or who else is interested, but he'd be one of my top targets if it's remotely feasible. Good delivery, chips in with goals, can play winger or wing-back. Most importantly, he seems like a big game player who would handle the additional expectations no bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I wonder if we've already got some agreements in place for others that will cost a fee to bring in. Seems like we're keen to have our squad in place in decent time for European competition this year. I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, Taffin said: I wonder if we've already got some agreements in place for others that will cost a fee to bring in. Seems like we're keen to have our squad in place in decent time for European competition this year. I'm all for it. Yep, we have until end August to get ready for play-offs assuming Aberdeen don’t win the cup and end September before first group/league stage games. Hopefully we make a much better start to league campaign next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: I don’t think Shankland will get any more than 30 minutes at the Euros unless there’s an injury to the players ahead of him. He’s been scoring goals for 2 years and Clark has ignored him, preferring Dykes or Adams. I don’t see that changing I agree with that. A few sun appearances late on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 54 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: We’re used to signing players that get injured all the time. Signing a dead one would be different, even for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedoorsdown Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Lennon Miller would be the one I’d go for. Risky but this window would be the only realistic chance we have of even a sniff of signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) I also hope this is a sign that we’re making our moves as early as possible this time round. So frustrating the last two years of going into the first week of the season & crucial European ties needing 2 or 3 key positions filled and guys not up to speed. Edited March 22 by liam11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, liam11 said: I also hope this is a sign that we’re making our moves as early as possible this time round. So frustrating the last two years of going into the first week of August needing 2 or 3 key positions filled and guys not up to speed. I think bringing in 3 already is quite a clear sign... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I agree with that. A few sun appearances late on. Probably, although surely he will get a chance to start at least one of the upcoming friendlies. Would be negligent and abysmal management by Clarke not to. Will be just Shankland’s luck that the only chance he gets to prove himself is tonight, away to Netherlands where he will probably hardly get a kick of the ball. Clarke will then see that as justification to persist with Dykes / Adams no matter how badly they play. Would probably be best from Shanks’ point of view to miss tonight and play 90 minutes against N Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 One of our main issues this season has been breaking defences down, especially ones who like to sit in deep. Dhanda and Spittal are great signings for looking to overcome this and believe they will thrive in a team that dominates possession. Penrice is an interesting one, I thought he was very good when we played them away at New Year, and whether or not we sell Cochrane it could prove to be a very astute signing. Excited to see what else we have planned, and it is clear Naismith is targeting the Scottish market more then Neilson did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Devante Cole must be looked at as a shanks replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mud and mullets Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, OTT said: I'm not looking for him to be all singing all dancing, but his attacking output is a lot more limited than lesser players. And him having it in his locker but so rarely using it is part of why I'm highlighting it. He can do it, he just doesn't naturally want to. If we want to improve our attacking play, we need to be getting the ball to the likes of Shanks, Forrest, Oda etc. quicker. Too often are we dicking about with short passes whilst the other team gets back into position. Beni seems to have his own fan club on here, so its one of those ones where you have to grab the kid gloves when you say anything negative. Yes, he's a wonderful defensive mid, but I think getting a more well rounded player that can among other things, more easily take risks in getting the ball forward wouldn't be a bad thing. As I say, I'm not too worried we'll struggle to replace him. Baccus, Fuchs or Phillips all seem more than viable options. Count me in as a member of the Beni fan club. During his first season I was astounded we'd signed a player of his quality. I reckon he's the most technically-gifted and effective player in his position we have behind Shankland and Gordon. I get what you're saying that if he was more of an all rounder he might bring more to the team but I look on it as a positive that we're in a position to sign specialist players for specialist positions, which is what good teams do. The key is maybe having the right players around him, which hasn't always happened this season. Partnered with more of a playmaker than another more defensive midfielder he could be the best DM in the league. I keep thinking of Andy Irving as possibly the last midfielder we had with vision who could spray around really good long and short passes from quite deep (and shoot from distance). Since him and Souttar left we haven't had anyone who can play good long passes consistently. Wonder if we could get Irving back on loan from West Ham! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mud and mullets Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: They don't want to give a rival club a big transfer fee. By rival club, I mean a Scottish club who could nick a cup off them if they spent the money wisely and the stars aligned on a given day that we were drawn against them. They want to keep us, and others, down. I think it's one of the reasons that the poor tv deals aren't challenged more by them. They can take the much bigger European money by restricting the ambitions of the likes of Hearts, Aberdeen and Hibs. I wouldn't be surprised if both Celtic and Rangers are taking an interest in how we have emerged from being skint to having created a sustainable model for growth of future income. Yeah, maybe it makes sense to them but the top 5 English teams buy players from rivals and teams trying to challenge them all the time for big money. I think it's just an arrogance from the OF that they assume players will walk over glass to play for them and don't need to pay proper fees.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Fozzyonthefence said: We’re used to signing players that get injured all the time. Signing a dead one would be different, even for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle Valhalla Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Id keep Cochrane / Boyce / Halkett / Sibbick / grant from that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Gone are the days of a first 11, every game is different and with the exception of a few not many are guaranteed to start every week. We are going to have a busy schedule next season and we need to learn mistakes from the last time when we were nowhere near prepared enough for the games coming our way. Injuries didn't help but even then we were struggling. I like Armstrong, I just think for whatever reason he will end up somewhere other than Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: Well he’s not, is he? He can be inconsistent and struggle to put a run together, but when he’s good he’s very good. Saying you’d drive him down for free is complete nonsense. When’s he been very good then buck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Tynecastle Valhalla said: Id keep Cochrane / Boyce / Halkett / Sibbick / grant from that list Boyce and Sibbick can go for me. We may not have a choice over Cochrane if we get an offer too good to turn down in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboscanbevicius Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Squad trimming: we are in a decent place but obviously going to move a few on this summer. Thinking probably: Sibbick Haring Grant Tagawa Beni (very reluctantly) Oda (reluctantly) Obviously Cochrane and Shankland may attract offers. Would love us to turn them down and extend both, but if they have made their decisions then we may need to negotiate the best we can. There's little to be gained in keeping players prisoner unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, Tynecastle Valhalla said: Id keep Cochrane / Boyce / Halkett / Sibbick / grant from that list Why? There’s only one on that list that has contributed anything over the last 2 seasons. The other 4 are a mixture of almost permanently injured or not good enough. A fit Halkett is our best CB but I’ve almost given up hope on him. However, he’ll still be with us next season as I think he’s still under contract so hopefully he can get fit over pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 29 minutes ago, Threedoorsdown said: Lennon Miller would be the one I’d go for. Risky but this window would be the only realistic chance we have of even a sniff of signing him. Suitors already if the tabloids are to be believed. Seems this level of talent is hoovered very early these days. Johnston last year was playing for Cove at Christmas, handful of games and he is off to Austria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I think we are looking still for 2 full backs, either side (another LB allows Kingsley in the middle), centre back, forward and a sitter of some class, 5 more then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 36 minutes ago, Threedoorsdown said: Lennon Miller would be the one I’d go for. Risky but this window would be the only realistic chance we have of even a sniff of signing him. Still think we've no chance this window. If one of the OF get scent we're looking at him they'll simply put more money on the table. He's a top player even at 16 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 33 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: When’s he been very good then buck? worth a read if you really want to know. Jorge Grant: Steven Naismith provides inside track on Hearts progress | Hearts Standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Hearts are a better team when Grant plays, hasn’t been spectacular but links midfield and attack. criminally underrated by a few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 27 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: I think we are looking still for 2 full backs, either side (another LB allows Kingsley in the middle), centre back, forward and a sitter of some class, 5 more then We need 2 RBs, assuming Dexter goes back to Wolves and Atkinson moves on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, kingantti1874 said: Hearts are a better team when Grant plays, hasn’t been spectacular but links midfield and attack. criminally underrated by a few And it seems, criminally overrated by others! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, kingantti1874 said: Hearts are a better team when Grant plays, hasn’t been spectacular but links midfield and attack. criminally underrated by a few he certainly offers something that our other midfield options do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I think we'll lose Cochrane, Beni and possibly Shankland. Haring will be released. Fraser end of loan. Atkinson, Sibbick, Grant, Boyce and Devlin told playing time limited. Penrice replaces Cochrane. Dhanda replaces Fraser. Spittal gives us options out wide and completes our positions in the wide areas with McKay, Forrest and Oda. We'll spend money on a quality RB, CM and ST (ST should Shankland leave). I'd be delighted with all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said: Hearts are a better team when Grant plays, hasn’t been spectacular but links midfield and attack. criminally underrated by a few When he plays well. I like him, but we need more than linking play. He's almost too tidy at times, I want a moment of unpredictability. When he's off it, like he was against Morton, it's not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: When he plays well. I like him, but we need more than linking play. He's almost too tidy at times, I want a moment of unpredictability. When he's off it, like he was against Morton, it's not great. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said: When he plays well. I like him, but we need more than linking play. He's almost too tidy at times, I want a moment of unpredictability. When he's off it, like he was against Morton, it's not great. tbf, we could say that about majority of our players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, Daveandal said: Cameron would be a sign of intent. It might not work out for him or us, every move is a gamble. But he is such a good player and only 21. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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