Hearts Women

[tcjambo]

Lockwood sent off

 

[tcjambo]

Needs to make sure Celtic win

[Topper]

Getting a Celtic fan as a referee has really made the difference.

[heartmussel]

Watched about 30 mins of second half and saw two assaults on Hearts players, no action then Lockwood with a strong challenge after being hustled by two Celtic players off she goes, what chance have we got🤦‍♂️

[cookieboy]

well said Ciara Grant

[Malinga the Swinga]

It's almost impossible to get a result against the top 3. Not only are they full time while rest are not, they have a one player advantage in every game.

Refereeing is ridiculous as they can foul safe in knowledge ref will refuse to book or send them off. If opposition player do much as looks at one of them, it's straight to a card.

Thank goodness Celtic knocked out of CL as much like their make counterparts, euro refs don't give them special treatment.

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 minutes ago, heartmussel said:

Watched about 30 mins of second half and saw two assaults on Hearts players, no action then Lockwood with a strong challenge after being hustled by two Celtic players off she goes, what chance have we got🤦‍♂️

Read the BBC report. No mention of Celtics fouling but quickly on to say ref with no option but to send Lockwood off.

The whole thing is rigged and the compliant media we have won't rock the boat.

Glasgow teams with Glasgow refs reported on by BBC Glasgow. Only in this country

[tcjambo]

47 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Read the BBC report. No mention of Celtics fouling but quickly on to say ref with no option but to send Lockwood off.

The whole thing is rigged and the compliant media we have won't rock the boat.

Glasgow teams with Glasgow refs reported on by BBC Glasgow. Only in this country

And some people want independence  from .....England lol

 

[Cade]

Pushed them all the way, had to rely on the ref to intervene.

That's progress.

[Mikey1874]

New signing incoming

 

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[gorgierulesapply88]

What's their budget this year then? Clearly it's up from 100k which was quoted as 1st team down to the youngest girls team...

 

 

[Clerry Jambo]

Saw the headline on Twitter thought Naisy had swooped, oh well

[Stendelnator]

1 minute ago, gorgierulesapply88 said:

What's their budget this year then? Clearly it's up from 100k which was quoted as 1st team down to the youngest girls team...

 

 

Think that was a few years ago. 
 

Would guess it’s about 3/4x that going by the amount of professional players there now. 

[gorgierulesapply88]

1 minute ago, Stendelnator said:

Think that was a few years ago. 
 

Would guess it’s about 3/4x that going by the amount of professional players there now. 

Interesting. What does winning the woman's league bring in prize money? And even champions league qualifiers which with Eva in charge seem to be at least another couple years away.

 

An investment if you can call it that, is a stab in the dark.

[colinmaroon]

I do wish the paper headlines would differentiate between the men's and women's teams.  Fed up hitting an article and finding it's the women, which I am interested in but, first and foremost, it's the first team.  Are they afraid of getting put on some deathlist?

 

 

[colinmorewasgash]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Signed more players than mens team haha

[Saint Jambo]

45 minutes ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Signed more players than mens team haha

 

They have, but that is the nature of women's football at the moment where most players seem to be signed on a one year contract. 

 

This will take us to 22 women listed in the women's first team squad on the website. By contrast their are 31 listed in the men's first team squad.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Saint Jambo

[Nookie Bear]

Very odd signing. Lot of effort to bring someone over and go through the work permit stuff at this stage of the women’s teams development. 

[tcjambo]

Eva is doing a great job. No club is going to be able to function at a high level in future without a women's team of comparable quality. We are two or rhree signings away from really competing for the league title.

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, tcjambo said:

Eva is doing a great job. No club is going to be able to function at a high level in future without a women's team of comparable quality. We are two or rhree signings away from really competing for the league title.

In what way?

[tcjambo]

To attract supporters of both sexes and get taken seriously by the media. Women's football is growing far faster than the men's game and we would be foolish not to be at the forefront.

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, tcjambo said:

To attract supporters of both sexes and get taken seriously by the media. Women's football is growing far faster than the men's game and we would be foolish not to be at the forefront.

It’s growing at the very top because they are focussing on the major clubs and international teams. The rest are not taken seriously and realistically have zero chance of competing. 
 

Are we supporting women’s football to raise the profile of the club as a whole, which really means the men’s team? Attaching the clubs so closely to the men’s teams has always been a mistake imo 

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

Very odd signing. Lot of effort to bring someone over and go through the work permit stuff at this stage of the women’s teams development. 

 

Have work permits already for previous signings. Pretty straightforward.

 

Interesting another signing from England.

[Sir PH]

1 hour ago, tcjambo said:

To attract supporters of both sexes and get taken seriously by the media. Women's football is growing far faster than the men's game and we would be foolish not to be at the forefront.

The men's game can't really grow anymore. It's been established as the number one sport for a very long time in this country. They've been pushing women's football for years and yet the crowds in the top league down south are still not great, unless it's a cup final. 

[DB-14]

1 hour ago, tcjambo said:

To attract supporters of both sexes and get taken seriously by the media. Women's football is growing far faster than the men's game and we would be foolish not to be at the forefront.

 

What a bizarre comment.  

How is men's football to grow much further at all from being the number one played and most watched sport in the world.

[TheBigO]

1 hour ago, DB-14 said:

 

What a bizarre comment.  

How is men's football to grow much further at all from being the number one played and most watched sport in the world.

Where he's correct is brand and sponsorship/investment.  A lot been said, but our benefactors wouldn't have put the money in to our infrastructure without a push on the women's team.  That's the cold light.  Same will go soon if not already on sponsorships and perhaps even kit deals etc.  It's an emerging market, even if still small in Scotland.

 

And as a dad of 2 girls who like the fitba, I'm over the moon that Hearts have our women's team front and centre and would be just as proud of either of them if they ever pull on the maroon as I would my boy (who happens to prefer chess and maths - he'll make my millions in other avenues!!).  Maybe this doesn't resonate with all, but it does strongly for me as I see my girls inspired by it.  The other option is we lose more fans (even if they're only FEMALES - yuck!) to English glitzy glamball.

[braveheart]

3 hours ago, tcjambo said:

To attract supporters of both sexes and get taken seriously by the media. Women's football is growing far faster than the men's game and we would be foolish not to be at the forefront.

Off course it's growing far quicker than the men's game.having coming from nowhere they have attached themselves to the men's game with a ready made stadium,ready made investors and even a ready made fanbase whilst actually achieving nothing.

[tcjambo]

9 hours ago, DB-14 said:

 

What a bizarre comment.  

How is men's football to grow much further at all from being the number one played and most watched sport in the world.

Not as bizarre as your reaction

[tcjambo]

8 hours ago, braveheart said:

Off course it's growing far quicker than the men's game.having coming from nowhere they have attached themselves to the men's game with a ready made stadium,ready made investors and even a ready made fanbase whilst actually achieving nothing.

What do you mean "attached". Tribes and affiliations are well established in Scotland and other football playing countries. How quickly do you expect to achieve £something" and what does "something" look like?

[tcjambo]

9 hours ago, Sir PH said:

The men's game can't really grow anymore. It's been established as the number one sport for a very long time in this country. They've been pushing women's football for years and yet the crowds in the top league down south are still not great, unless it's a cup final. 

It's been a slow drip but it's accelerating - coverage i the lasty year has ballooned and it can only get more prominent. I accept the product isn;t that great currently but it can only get better.

[Nookie Bear]

1 hour ago, tcjambo said:

What do you mean "attached". Tribes and affiliations are well established in Scotland and other football playing countries. How quickly do you expect to achieve £something" and what does "something" look like?

Basically means that the game is heavily subsidised by the mens game. 
 

Nothing wrong with that of course but there is a ceiling on what we can spend on the women’s team and that can only take us so far. At the moment, without a paying crowd, it’s a subsidised money pit and that’s not sustainable in the long term. 

[Saint Jambo]

27 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Basically means that the game is heavily subsidised by the mens game. 
 

Nothing wrong with that of course but there is a ceiling on what we can spend on the women’s team and that can only take us so far. At the moment, without a paying crowd, it’s a subsidised money pit and that’s not sustainable in the long term. 

 

To know that for sure, you would have to know the thinking of the benefactor(s). If it is the case that the benefactors was to financially support a team with a strong women's team and wouldn't be providing funding in the absence of a women's team, then the women's team is effectively profit making for Hearts. It is far too simplistic to think of the financial state of the women's team only in terms of gate receipts.

 

In the absence of that knowledge, we are shooting blind as to the income vs expenditure of the women's team.

[Pasquale for King]

Good to see Eva, the Scotland women’s manager and the guy at Celtic bringing fresh ideas to the game here, oh for some new coaches to modernise the mens game. 

[Nookie Bear]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Good to see Eva, the Scotland women’s manager and the guy at Celtic bringing fresh ideas to the game here, oh for some new coaches to modernise the mens game. 

What are the fresh ideas?

[Nookie Bear]

8 hours ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

To know that for sure, you would have to know the thinking of the benefactor(s). If it is the case that the benefactors was to financially support a team with a strong women's team and wouldn't be providing funding in the absence of a women's team, then the women's team is effectively profit making for Hearts. It is far too simplistic to think of the financial state of the women's team only in terms of gate receipts.

 

In the absence of that knowledge, we are shooting blind as to the income vs expenditure of the women's team.

Fair point and we hear a lot about how the benefactors have put conditions on their involvement that include the women’s team. 
 

Difference is, the club survives without the benefactor, the women’s team doesn’t. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

What are the fresh ideas?

To actually play football in the modern way, not the type of backward Industrial crap that every manager of Scottish teams plays. It’s actually scary that there are no non UK managers at any one of the 42 Scottish league clubs, no wonder we are a football backwater. 

[Sir PH]

46 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

To actually play football in the modern way, not the type of backward Industrial crap that every manager of Scottish teams plays. It’s actually scary that there are no non UK managers at any one of the 42 Scottish league clubs, no wonder we are a football backwater. 

What is the modern way? I'm sure the other 42 managers would love to know as well. 

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

What is the modern way? I'm sure the other 42 managers would love to know as well. 

Look at the way the great teams all over Europe play, rarely are they coached by someone from the UK who are tactically naive, train once a day and think that diet and conditioning don’t really matter? 
Can there be another country that has 42 league clubs without a foreign manager working there?

[Ked]

The last derby was free but poorly attended.

I'm not convinced it will be able to ever pay its own way .

 

[Nookie Bear]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Look at the way the great teams all over Europe play, rarely are they coached by someone from the UK who are tactically naive, train once a day and think that diet and conditioning don’t really matter? 
Can there be another country that has 42 league clubs without a foreign manager working there?

Not really seen much of the women’s team, are they particularly tactic-savvy and fitter?

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, Ked said:

The last derby was free but poorly attended.

I'm not convinced it will be able to ever pay its own way .

 

The attitude towards the women’s team seems directly impacted by how well the men’s team is doing. 

[Perth to Paisley]

The most successful Scottish women's team are Glasgow City.

They are 1 step away from the groups stages of the champions league.

A certain Mrs Anderson is now one of their major [likely the major] sponsors. 

 

Winning is 'good' but these teams are there for much more than a bit silver.

 

Promotion of women's equality/opportunity is  very  high on their agenda.

 

Spend a million on the mens team gets a few more league points, spend a million on a women's team and you get Champions League - what's more attractive for a sponsor?

'Glory' and showing yourself to be on the 'right side' wins.

[Ked]

4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

The attitude towards the women’s team seems directly impacted by how well the men’s team is doing. 

I hadn't thought of that.

[Sir PH]

9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Look at the way the great teams all over Europe play, rarely are they coached by someone from the UK who are tactically naive, train once a day and think that diet and conditioning don’t really matter? 
Can there be another country that has 42 league clubs without a foreign manager working there?

Loads of foreign coaches have worked in Scotland, only one or two (outside of the Old Firm) have managed to make a big impression. 

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, Ked said:

I hadn't thought of that.

Tbf everything is fair game when we’re on a bad run. Women’s team, pies, academy etc

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

Loads of foreign coaches have worked in Scotland, only one or two (outside of the Old Firm) have managed to make a big impression. 

Like our two last cup winning managers? The point you’re missing is that we will never progress in this country by employing the likes of McInnes/Robinson/Goodwin etc. The UK players in our leagues aren’t used to having to look after themselves or train more than once a day, when we play even average teams in Europe we look slower/unfit/weak and clueless tactically. 
None of this will change without an influx of modern thinking coaches, from wherever. 

[Pasquale for King]

25 minutes ago, Ked said:

The last derby was free but poorly attended.

I'm not convinced it will be able to ever pay its own way .

 

Over 13k fans took tickets but 6k didn’t turn up, costing the club money. Until we start beating them, I think that will see an upturn but it’s more about creating an avenue for young girls to support the club, only been to one game but it was completely different experience. 

[Sir PH]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Like our two last cup winning managers? The point you’re missing is that we will never progress in this country by employing the likes of McInnes/Robinson/Goodwin etc. The UK players in our leagues aren’t used to having to look after themselves or train more than once a day, when we play even average teams in Europe we look slower/unfit/weak and clueless tactically. 
None of this will change without an influx of modern thinking coaches, from wherever. 

A lot of our league performances under Sergio were horrendous. Umpteen foreign coaches have tried and failed in the UK. You're not reinventing the wheel by suggesting everything would be great if we employed someone from abroad. It wouldn't. 

[Pasquale for King]

27 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Not really seen much of the women’s team, are they particularly tactic-savvy and fitter?

Yeah since Eva came in they’ve tried to get them fitter and playing passing football. Andy Kirk wanted them to be fitter but the team had day jobs etc so that was difficult. We seem to be bringing in more foreign players that are more used to the tactics and fitness regime. Im no expert or huge fan but know a few people involved in the womens game. I was hoping that watching them on Alba beat Hibs last Sunday would give me some positivity about us but they lost, so they’re getting more like the men all the time 🤦🏽.