Dawnrazor Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, luckyBatistuta said: Wait...am I allowed to say that about Wookiee π€π’ As long as you're a wookie the yes because wookie on wookie racism isn't a thing, no siree Bob, as long as you're only using fur colour as the abusive term then that's fineπ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: As long as you're a wookie the yes because wookie on wookie racism isn't a thing, no siree Bob, as long as you're only using fur colour as the abusive term then that's fineπ πππ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: As long as you're a wookie the yes because wookie on wookie racism isn't a thing, no siree Bob, as long as you're only using fur colour as the abusive term then that's fineπ Β 11 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: πππ Dr seriously cracks me up sometimes π€£π€£π€£π€£ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, luckyBatistuta said: Β Dr seriously cracks me up sometimes π€£π€£π€£π€£ In a good way I hopeπ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, luckyBatistuta said: Β Dr seriously cracks me up sometimes π€£π€£π€£π€£ Aye heβs a good guy. , well I think heβs a guy if not heβs a good lassie , if he is a lassie , if not heβs a good whatever lolΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Β Oh dear. Couple of pages ago you called me "disgraceful" for joking about this thread being closed. And here this is, no doubt in your mind to prompt "debate", making light of suicide in transgender youth, who are up to 8 TIMES more likely to attempt suicide than the general population. Sheesh, "disgraceful" π Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Β Oh dear. Couple of pages ago you called me "disgraceful" for joking about this thread being closed. And here this is, no doubt in your mind to prompt "debate", making light of suicide in transgender youth, who are up to 8 TIMES more likely to attempt suicide than the general population. Sheesh, "disgraceful" π That meme perfectly sums up the whole debacle . No disgrace here . And for your information β transβ kids are also gay or lesbian ( many of them ) who naturally and always have struggled with identity at this stage in their lives . Itβs only the moronic trans militants who are without question distorting those so called suicide stats to suit their own agenda and further their insidious ideology . Gay and lesbian youth have always figured more in suicide stats and still do but now are labelled as β trans βΒ Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: That meme perfectly sums up the whole debacle . No disgrace here . And for your information β transβ kids are also gay or lesbian ( many of them ) who naturally and always have struggled with identity at this stage in their lives . Itβs only the moronic trans militants who are without question distorting those so called suicide stats to suit their own agenda and further their insidious ideology . Gay and lesbian youth have always figured more in suicide stats and still do but now are labelled as β trans βΒ Β Β "Moronic" "Trans militants" "So-called suicide stats" "Insidious ideology" "Own agenda" Β I think you need to take a step back. That rabbit hole is a long way behind you now.Β Β I also just went back and looked at the first page of this thread where you were hoping it would be enlightening education for some. Not sure that meme achieves that tbh.Β Edited August 9, 2022 by Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Β "Moronic" "Trans militants" "So-called suicide stats" "Insidious ideology" "Own agenda" Β I think you need to take a step back. That rabbit hole is a long way behind you now.Β Itβs hard when you canβt handle the truth isnβt it ? I mean you ! ! Wake up . Dearie me . You wonβt be telling me to take any step back . Educate yourselfΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Itβs hard when you canβt handle the truth isnβt it ? I mean you ! ! Wake up . Dearie me . You wonβt be telling me to take any step back . Educate yourselfΒ Β Okay, Jack Nicholson. I don't see truth in anything you've posted on this thread for a long, long time. I'll keep looking though.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Β Okay, Jack Nicholson. I don't see truth in anything you've posted on this thread for a long, long time. I'll keep looking though.Β Take the rose tainted glasses off thenΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, jonesy said: Still haven't had a reasonable explanation as to why the Ts are in with the Gs and Ls in this nonsense. As for Q... give me a break. You can use whatever adjectives you want to describe yourself.Β Because the nice gays and lesbians wanted to welcome another group into the melting pot whom they felt may have similar issues to what they had previously ? Itβs become s Trojan horse though . Also the gays and lesbians had won most of their battles re equality soΒ β advocacy β groups needed to gravy chain to continue and viola it has with the inclusion of t . A monumental error of LGB culture really . The old saying springs to mind β the road to hell is paved with good intentions β there are now sone requesting that MAP people join the alphabet , talk about going down a rabbit warren .Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, jonesy said: Still haven't had a reasonable explanation as to why the Ts are in with the Gs and Ls in this nonsense. As for Q... give me a break. You can use whatever adjectives you want to describe yourself.Β Not got a clue regarding the β qβ seems to be busy saddos who arenβt content being heterosexual so need to feel different ?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Not got a clue regarding the β qβ seems to be busy saddos who arenβt content being heterosexual so need to feel different ?Β "Q" I thought was "Questioning" which I thought was fair and should be included. Who decides or decided to add the other groups under the lesbian and gay umbrella, were the lesbian and gay communities consulted on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: "Q" I thought was "Questioning" which I thought was fair and should be included. Who decides or decided to add the other groups under the lesbian and gay umbrella, were the lesbian and gay communities consulted on this? I wasnβt asked lol ! As Iβve said before I feel it should only be LGB . T can fight their own equality issues . Iβm sure they are very able to do so , however their mantra seems to be β he / she / they who shout the loudest β which isnβt winning over people . Demanding equality whilst happily trampling on womens sex based rights is not the best look really . Itβs misogynist .Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Because the nice gays and lesbians wanted to welcome another group into the melting pot whom they felt may have similar issues to what they had previously ? Itβs become s Trojan horse though . Also the gays and lesbians had won most of their battles re equality soΒ β advocacy β groups needed to gravy chain to continue and viola it has with the inclusion of t . A monumental error of LGB culture really . The old saying springs to mind β the road to hell is paved with good intentions β there are now sone requesting that MAP people join the alphabet , talk about going down a rabbit warren .Β There's no such thing as a nice gay ... all gays are evilΒ !!Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Had a group of mates over recently who called me a dinosaurπ€·πΌββοΈπ€ͺ...I had said that if either of my boys came home and said that they were gay, Iβd still love them as much as the moment before they told me this. I then added that if either of my boys had told me they were gender neutral, Iβd have been seriously disappointed in them. If that makes me a dinosaur, then so be it. Just attention seeking nonsense in my opinion. All my pals kids are coming out with this and some wanting to be identified as exactly the same name, internetπ€ Iβm not a bad guy and Iβll try and help anyone out if I can. I treat everyone as I find them, if theyβre nice to me, then Iβm nice to them. Wish everyone could just get the #### on, all this constant bickering and being offended is depressing as. Sorry if Iβve offended anyone with this, at the golf club and had a couple.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There's no such thing as a nice gay ... all gays are evilΒ !!Β Tell me about it.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Had a group of mates over recently who called me a dinosaurπ€·πΌββοΈπ€ͺ...I had said that if either of my boys came home and said that they were gay, Iβd still love them as much as the moment before they told me this. I then added that if either of my boys had told me they were gender neutral, Iβd have been seriously disappointed in them. If that makes me a dinosaur, then so be it. Just attention seeking nonsense in my opinion. All my pals kids are coming out with this and some wanting to be identified as exactly the same name, internetπ€ Iβm not a bad guy and Iβll try and help anyone out if I can. I treat everyone as I find them, if theyβre nice to me, then Iβm nice to them. Wish everyone could just get the #### on, all this constant bickering and being offended is depressing as. Sorry if Iβve offended anyone with this, at the golf club and had a couple.Β Great post. Its all a manic fad just now which someone along the road took seriously and its all spiralled out of control.Β As soon as the first kid said to their parent " im a boy trapped in a girls body" the said parent should have just said " dont be a silly billy , now go away and play with your toy tractors girls can play with them too ". Β The non binary is just nonsense as well as " gender identity".Β Yes its the internet and tik tok and other social media are really to blame for all a lot of it. Fads , hysteria and wanting to belong and be seen to be " different ".Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: .... at the golf club and had a couple.Β Ah, the golf club, the last bastion of tolerance, inclusiveness and modern thinking!!! To be fair I'm where you are, I've a teenage son who sees a lot of this thing at school, it's very difficult times for them at that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Ah, the golf club, the last bastion of tolerance, inclusiveness and modern thinking!!! To be fair I'm where you are, I've a teenage son who sees a lot of this thing at school, it's very difficult times for them at that age. Yes teenage years are socially and psychologicallyΒ very difficult. Its all about identity and where one fits in.Β Β "Identity versus role confusion is the fifth stage of ego in psychologistΒ Erik Erikson'sΒ theory ofΒ psychosocial development. This stage occurs during adolescence between the ages of approximately 12 and 18. During this stage, adolescents explore their independence and develop a sense of self. Β According to Erikson,Β people progress through a series of stages as they grow and change throughout life. During each stage, everyone faces a developmental conflict that must be resolved to successfully develop the primary virtue of that stage. Erikson wasΒ interested in how social interaction and relationships affectΒ development and growth"Β Β Β Β Its up to parents to adequately guide their children through this stage and not strange people online who have their own agenda.Β Β Worth a read Β Β Identity vs. Role Confusion in Psychosocial Development (verywellmind.com) Β Β Β Β Β Edited August 9, 2022 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, jonesy said: I think the problem lies in the very concept of a gay and lesbian community. If where or whether you like to play hide the sausage is your defining characteristic, then you're a pretty one dimensional person. Β I remember having a similar grumble in a US Politics seminar when all the various groups started coming out with Irish-American, Mexican-Americsn etc stuff. As an outside observer, I simply stated that they were all Americans and until they and the rest of their country got behind that then they were forever going to be in trouble. Got a round of applause! I get why the lesbian and gay community band together for social and political strength, it's hugely sad that they felt and feel the need to but I understand why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, jonesy said: I think the problem lies in the very concept of a gay and lesbian community. If where or whether you like to play hide the sausage is your defining characteristic, then you're a pretty one dimensional person. Β I remember having a similar grumble in a US Politics seminar when all the various groups started coming out with Irish-American, Mexican-Americsn etc stuff. As an outside observer, I simply stated that they were all Americans and until they and the rest of their country got behind that then they were forever going to be in trouble. Got a round of applause! Unfortunately so some groups thatβs the end and all of their existence , theirΒ β identity β . Itβs consumes their every thought , every day . ObsessiveΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Why isn't there a straight people thread? Ragin π‘π‘π‘π‘ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: Why isn't there a straight people thread? Ragin π‘π‘π‘π‘ π€£π€£π€£ a thread you couldnβt go on, now youβre all bent out of shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: π€£π€£π€£ a thread you couldnβt go on, now youβre all bent out of shape Touché Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 08/08/2022 at 13:16, JudyJudyJudy said: Call social services pleaseΒ Β Β Β Β Β Am I the only one thinking "so ****ing what?" The bairn's 4, if he says he's a wildebeest, he's a wildebeest. If he says he's a boy, he's a boy. Who cares? Be a yak next, have a beard, grow a tail. Β I used to dress up in my mum's clothes and put on makeup at 4, sometimes I'd carry my dad's briefcase and umbrella about and be English (Β funny how you see things as a kid!) Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Smithee said: Β Am I the only one thinking "so ****ing what?" The bairn's 4, if he says he's a wildebeest, he's a wildebeest. If he says he's a boy, he's a boy. Who cares? Be a yak next, have a beard, grow a tail. Β I used to dress up in my mum's clothes and put on makeup at 4, sometimes I'd carry my dad's briefcase and umbrella about and be English (Β funny how you see things as a kid!) Β Β But if your parents had been telling you that you could have an operation to become a wildebeest and had been pushing you to become a wildebeest then that would be different. Personally i have absolutely no objections or qualms about adults transitioning, its their choice and if it makes them happy then go for it. I doubt a 4yr old has any real idea if they feel like a boy or a girl, though.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: But if your parents had been telling you that you could have an operation to become a wildebeest and had been pushing you to become a wildebeest then that would be different. Personally i have absolutely no objections or qualms about adults transitioning, its their choice and if it makes them happy then go for it. I doubt a 4yr old has any real idea if they feel like a boy or a girl, though.Β Β There's no suggestion that's what's happened though. The bairn's 4 and thinks announcing it is the final step.Β Β Re the bit in bold, 4 year olds haven't a clue about anything, that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Let them be what they want to be. Edited August 11, 2022 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Smithee said: Β There's no suggestion that's what's happened though. The bairn's 4 and thinks announcing it is the final step.Β Β No there isn't any suggestion of that happening. A 2yr old is never going to have enough awareness of gender to decide that they are in the wrong body without any prompting though, are they?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Just now, Dick Dastardly said: No there isn't any suggestion of that happening. A 2yr old is never going to have enough awareness of gender to decide that they are in the wrong body without any prompting though, are they?Β Β It sounds exactly like a 2 year old to go "No! I'm a boy!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: Β It sounds exactly like a 2 year old to go "No! I'm a boy!" So that should be taken seriously? They should then be given surgery and medication to allow that whim to become a fact? That should be unveiled in the public domain? Really?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said: So that should be taken seriously? They should then be given surgery and medication to allow that whim to become a fact? That should be unveiled in the public domain? Really?Β Β The bairns says he's a boy and has taken the final step by announcing it, what have surgery and medication got to do with it? Have you actually read the thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Smithee said: Β The bairns says he's a boy and has taken the final step by announcing it, what have surgery and medication got to do with it? Have you actually read the thing? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/02/09/heres-how-sex-reassignment-surgery-works/ Β So if the girl had decided she was a wildebeest she would actually be a wildebeest?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/02/09/heres-how-sex-reassignment-surgery-works/ Β So if the girl had decided she was a wildebeest she would actually be a wildebeest?Β Β You need to come back to the story we're talking about - wee girl says she's a wee boy. That's it, that's all that's happened. Β He's a wee boy now. If he says he's a dinosaur, he's a dinosaur. He'll either grow out of it, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Β You need to come back to the story we're talking about - wee girl says she's a wee boy. That's it, that's all that's happened. Β He's a wee boy now. If he says he's a dinosaur, he's a dinosaur. He'll either grow out of it, or not. She isn't a wee boy, she is a girl. She could never be a dinosaur. Anyway, I'm away to take my polar bear a walk through Mordor.Β P.s. In reality it's a dog and I'm going to the park.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Tavistock gender clinic to be sued by 1000 plus families. Shelling out life changing drugs to troubled teens . Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: She isn't a wee boy, she is a girl. She could never be a dinosaur. Anyway, I'm away to take my polar bear a walk through Mordor.Β P.s. In reality it's a dog and I'm going to the park.Β Β He's a wee boy if he says he's a wee boy. He's 4 ffs, let the bairn be a bairn, who cares? Β Enjoy the expedition, it's your business how you identify, and if you feel like shouting it from the rooftops, you go for it. Β It makes no difference to anyone's life if you're a little teapot or a space adventurer. Knock yourself out, your dog can be a toaster if you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 52 minutes ago, Smithee said: Β He's a wee boy if he says he's a wee boy. He's 4 ffs, let the bairn be a bairn, who cares? Β Enjoy the expedition, it's your business how you identify, and if you feel like shouting it from the rooftops, you go for it. Β It makes no difference to anyone's life if you're a little teapot or a space adventurer. Knock yourself out, your dog can be a toaster if you want! I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. I wish she would be allowed to be a bairn and not a pawn for her parents beliefs.Β Anyway, lets agree to disagree ππ»Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 46 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. I wish she would be allowed to be a bairn and not a pawn for her parents beliefs.Β Anyway, lets agree to disagree ππ»Β I guess we'll have to π Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: She isn't a wee boy, she is a girl. She could never be a dinosaur. Anyway, I'm away to take my polar bear a walk through Mordor.Β P.s. In reality it's a dog and I'm going to the park.Β Exactly . Validating delusional thinking at that age is abusive really. The parents are complicit in this . Wonder how the kid will feel when sheβs 22 and has no tits and a penis made out of skin from his arm and heβs on medication for the rest her life to keep the allusion alive ?Β 3 hours ago, Ked said: Tavistock gender clinic to be sued by 1000 plus families. Shelling out life changing drugs to troubled teens . Madness. Good . Itβs all crumbling downΒ 3 hours ago, Smithee said: Β He's a wee boy if he says he's a wee boy. He's 4 ffs, let the bairn be a bairn, who cares? Β Enjoy the expedition, it's your business how you identify, and if you feel like shouting it from the rooftops, you go for it. Β It makes no difference to anyone's life if you're a little teapot or a space adventurer. Knock yourself out, your dog can be a toaster if you want! See my previous commentΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 When does this end, when they get the P added to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ri Alban said: When does this end, when they get the P added to the list. Β Edited August 11, 2022 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JudyJudyJudy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Great article Β Β Eddie Izzard and the denigration of women | The Spectator Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ron Burgundy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: π, it's spot on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JudyJudyJudy Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Sack them Β Β Β https://www.gbnews.uk/news/trans-supermarket-workers-complain-about-being-forced-to-hand-out-harry-potter-cards-amid-jk-rowing-row/355197?fbclid=IwAR3DUq0IAkTPQFiPW09iXb-SaacLH0VS61nJTB_UaaZAooebv9yBRZpZru0&fs=e&s=cl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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