Section Q Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Not sure how accurate this is.. ""The English Premier League’s current television deal is worth £4.7bn, while the Scottish Premiership’s broadcasting contract is valued at just £125m."" https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2021/08/scottish-clubs-paying-the-price-when-it-comes-to-wages/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Section Q said: Not sure how accurate this is.. ""The English Premier League’s current television deal is worth £4.7bn, while the Scottish Premiership’s broadcasting contract is valued at just £125m."" https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2021/08/scottish-clubs-paying-the-price-when-it-comes-to-wages/ I know the writer of that piece very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arry Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 “Compare that to the English Premier League where players earned on average more than £1.2 million per year and the gulf in riches continues to be a real problem for the likes of Rangers boss Steven Gerrard and his Celtic counterpart Ange Postecoglou as they strive to strengthen their squads.” Surely situation worse for other Scottish clubs trying to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Arry said: “Compare that to the English Premier League where players earned on average more than £1.2 million per year and the gulf in riches continues to be a real problem for the likes of Rangers boss Steven Gerrard and his Celtic counterpart Ange Postecoglou as they strive to strengthen their squads.” Surely situation worse for other Scottish clubs trying to compete. They don’t matter so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Really poor reporting from Kiddie as usual. He states that League One paid out £99m in wages last season whereas the Scottish Premiership paid out £60m. Neglected to mention that League One has 24 clubs to the 12 in Scottish Premiership. His inference being that League One clubs pay more than our top league clubs true when in fact the opposite is clearly the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 A two horse race that drones on for 38 games is a tough sell especially for a man of Donkey's abilities (I actually think he'd struggle to give away inflatable dinghies in Calais). Hopefully we can mount a challenge, but as you saw on Saturday it's a tough ask given the bias (unconscious or otherwise) that leans towards the larger Glasgow clubs. Disgraceful that the media stick their heads in the sand for fear of loss of privileges, particularly galling with the BBC given how they are funded and that they are already being bent over the table by the blue half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, soonbe110 said: Really poor reporting from Kiddie as usual. He states that League One paid out £99m in wages last season whereas the Scottish Premiership paid out £60m. Neglected to mention that League One has 24 clubs to the 12 in Scottish Premiership. His inference being that League One clubs pay more than our top league clubs true when in fact the opposite is clearly the case. Agree. Similar issue with the comparison of the Scottisb Premiership to the Dutch League and Siere B, as well as the Scottish Championship to the Thai league. In each case the Scottish league pays less overall but more per player based on these players. Ordering the table by total wage bill seems an odd choice by the data company. The other big issue with the article is suggesting these figures show the challenge facing Rangers and Celtic. That is clearly nonsense because the Scottish Premiership average weekly wage is not a good reflection of the Old Firm average weekly wage. That issue is solely with the journalist. The data would be much better used to show the challenges facing non-Old Firm clubs, noting that even the average is artificially high due to the OF. It shows the wide range of leagues that can offer higher or comparable wages to non-OF Scottish clubs from Saudi to Mexico to Greece, to the Spanish second tier. Presumably though that isn't as interesting to the journalist/publication because it isn't Old Firm click bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybalfour Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 This article is a load of rubbish.Look at the Bundesliga compared to the premier league and the figures just don't make sense as they have almost the same amount of teams in the league.He should get reprimanded by his bosses for even producing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Ordering it by the average weekly wage paid would change the table dramatically. As others have pointed out comparing total wages for a league of 12 teams to leagues of 18, 20, 22 or 24 teams is not a fair comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Saint Jambo said: Agree. Similar issue with the comparison of the Scottisb Premiership to the Dutch League and Siere B, as well as the Scottish Championship to the Thai league. In each case the Scottish league pays less overall but more per player based on these players. Ordering the table by total wage bill seems an odd choice by the data company. The other big issue with the article is suggesting these figures show the challenge facing Rangers and Celtic. That is clearly nonsense because the Scottish Premiership average weekly wage is not a good reflection of the Old Firm average weekly wage. That issue is solely with the journalist. The data would be much better used to show the challenges facing non-Old Firm clubs, noting that even the average is artificially high due to the OF. It shows the wide range of leagues that can offer higher or comparable wages to non-OF Scottish clubs from Saudi to Mexico to Greece, to the Spanish second tier. Presumably though that isn't as interesting to the journalist/publication because it isn't Old Firm click bait. 👍second rate work by both the data company and the reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambostuart Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 hours ago, EIEIO said: Ordering it by the average weekly wage paid would change the table dramatically. As others have pointed out comparing total wages for a league of 12 teams to leagues of 18, 20, 22 or 24 teams is not a fair comparison. And even at that, the average in Scotland is slightly skewed and would look different if you took the OF out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, jambostuart said: And even at that, the average in Scotland is slightly skewed and would look different if you took the OF out Indeed. Though, probably the same in Netherlands if you took eg PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord out and Portugal if you took Porto, Benfica and Sporting out. It's quite a poor article to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 hours ago, billybalfour said: This article is a load of rubbish.Look at the Bundesliga compared to the premier league and the figures just don't make sense as they have almost the same amount of teams in the league.He should get reprimanded by his bosses for even producing this. It’s complete rubbish. Where is Bundesliga 2, for example? Are we expected to believe that Morton are playing in a league that pays higher average wages than the one Hamburg and Bremen play in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 If we're ever looking for compairson, it should be against the Scandinavian nations IMO. Maybe Belgium too. Comparisons against the big 5 leagues is pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, EIEIO said: Indeed. Though, probably the same in Netherlands if you took eg PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord out and Portugal if you took Porto, Benfica and Sporting out. It's quite a poor article to be fair. Celtic's wage bill exceeds all other clubs wages put together if you exclude Rangers.. The balance in Scotland is even more skewed. We sit between England's Leage 1 and League 2, they don't have the OF imbalance, so I guess the standard is down at England League 2 😞 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, H2 said: Celtic's wage bill exceeds all other clubs wages put together if you exclude Rangers.. The balance in Scotland is even more skewed. We sit between England's Leage 1 and League 2, they don't have the OF imbalance, so I guess the standard is down at England League 2 😞 . Pretty sure Sunderland and Sheff Wednesday are paying more than most others in League 1. Do you mean the standard of football compares to English League 2 or the average wage? I would disagree with the first point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, EIEIO said: Pretty sure Sunderland and Sheff Wednesday are paying more than most others in League 1. Do you mean the standard of football compares to English League 2 or the average wage? I would disagree with the first point. No I think the standard of football is probably about League 1. The average wage is perhaps a bit misleading when you have a club paying 10 times plus the wages of most of the other clubs. After reading your response I looked up Sheff Wed wages (20-21)and was stunned. Their top paid player earned £30K a week, a former Hearts player is on £13.5 K a week. They top Celtic who's top player, Scott Brown as on £25K a week. Leigh Griffiths on £18,200/week. Hibs highest earner by a long way was Jamie Murphy on £5K a week. Rangers look to have been the highest payers last season with three players 0n £30K+, with only two players under £3K a week. The EPL is scary - Harry Kane £200k a week De Gea £350K a week Pogba £300K a week De Bruyne £230K a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 hours ago, Arry said: “Compare that to the English Premier League where players earned on average more than £1.2 million per year and the gulf in riches continues to be a real problem for the likes of Rangers boss Steven Gerrard and his Celtic counterpart Ange Postecoglou as they strive to strengthen their squads.” Surely situation worse for other Scottish clubs trying to compete. That's definitely a strange take - making Rangers and Celtic our to be paupers when the gulf between them and the other Scottish teams is bigger than the gulf between most of the EPL and the OF. Yeah it's a massive problem knowing you have a 50/50 chance of winning the league every year and (with two places) a 100% chance of entering the CL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I can see a future for football in Scotland (maybe within 10-15 years) when most clubs are fan owned and in England where more and more clubs go bust below the EPL, especially in the Championship, as they chase the pot of gold. Most seem to be operating at very unsustainable levels in terms of wages/revenue, and didn't they bring in new financial rules to force lower league English teams to stop paying so much in wages? If we could only get rid of the OF we'd have a sustainable, well-supported and potentially very competitive league, and if English football implodes we should be able to compete for players especially when we would have several clubs with real chances of silverware and Europe every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 hours ago, EIEIO said: Indeed. Though, probably the same in Netherlands if you took eg PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord out and Portugal if you took Porto, Benfica and Sporting out. It's quite a poor article to be fair. 4 hours ago, EIEIO said: Pretty sure Sunderland and Sheff Wednesday are paying more than most others in League 1. Do you mean the standard of football compares to English League 2 or the average wage? I would disagree with the first point. While it might we'll be true these leagues have a couple of outliers, even if the difference between them and the rest is the same as in Scotland, they'll actually have less of an impact on the average wage for their leagues because there are more teams in those leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Saint Jambo said: While it might we'll be true these leagues have a couple of outliers, even if the difference between them and the rest is the same as in Scotland, they'll actually have less of an impact on the average wage for their leagues because there are more teams in those leagues. Agreed. Scottish Premiership is a strange league with OF paying top dollar with Hearts, docksiders and Aberdeen paying "decent wages" , Dundee teams playing a fair bit less than us but more than the likes of Well, St Mirren , Livi and Ross County. Hard to have an accurate common or average salary figure when the clubs are so different in terms of turnover and the wages they can afford to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 If English players wages are so high, and they're out of reach, we just need to start looking at other countries instead. Where we differ to the League 1 and League 2 teams is we have a potential route into European competitions at the end of every season, with generally bigger crowds and a better atmosphere where a good player can become a fan favourite within 90 minutes. They can pay all the wages they want, but trying to sell "we hope we get a good draw in the cup and can be pumped silly by a big team to make some money" must be difficult. Hearts should be able to easily sell themselves to players, offering the chance of playing in Europe and acting as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. If the UK based players aren't interested because they might get more money down south then start looking elsewhere. Not sure if we have scouts going round looking at players in places with similar league sizes that always produce good players like Norway, Denmark, Austria, Czech Republic, etc. but we definitely should be. Keeping an eye on players who look like they've got potential, try and sell them the idea of playing in the capital of Scotland, for a club with one of the best Derby records in football. Shouldn't be hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I find this stuff really interesting normally but how is it surprising or newsworthy that we pay less than the Greek teams, Eredivisie teams and Serie B teams? And who was thinking the Championship was going to be paying anywhere near the Polish league? The Thai league is one of the biggest in Asia so that's hardly a disgrace our mixed-level second tier is paying less than theirs 🙄 . Pleasantly surprised to see we have a higher wage than Poland and Denmark, but then brought back down to concern that these countries club and national sides now do consistently well compared to ours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 18 hours ago, tian447 said: They can pay all the wages they want, but trying to sell "we hope we get a good draw in the cup and can be pumped silly by a big team to make some money" must be difficult. Hearts should be able to easily sell themselves to players, offering the chance of playing in Europe and acting as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. The only real difference here is our pumping might take place in a foreign country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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