Jambo in Bathgate Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Ben Woodburn’s yellow card against Ross County has been rescinded. Should we have been awarded a penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 It was hard to see from the other end but I assumed the booking was for arguing with the ref. He seemed adamant that he was the one who was fouled right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, 1953 said: It was hard to see from the other end but I assumed the booking was for arguing with the ref. He seemed adamant that he was the one who was fouled right enough. Says on Twitter it was for simulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Welcome to Scotland Ben - get used to it as it wont improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 I wasn’t at match but watched on PPV. Booking looked wrong as he was tripped by Ross County player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 No question, should have been a penalty. Would have been if he was wearing Uglies Blue and offside but not as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leith_dude Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Watching it on the telly at the time it looked a horrendous decision. It was obviously not a dive and how the referee saw it that way is a mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 So that's 2 points deducted by the SFA. Nice of them to take away the yellow card right enough..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Should think so as well. That ref was ****ing hopeless. *****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Should think so as well. That ref was ****ing hopeless. *****! I thought up then that the ref who I had never heard of was doing ok. He then gave a free kick against Boyce when pulled down from behind with opponents arm wrapped around him. I just seemed to be constantly shouting "you're joking ref" for the rest of the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I was in line with the penalty box at that end. After I sat down I turned to my brother-in-law and said that was a stonewaller. The County fans around me thought l was joking. Vindication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: I thought up then that the ref who I had never heard of was doing ok. He then gave a free kick against Boyce when pulled down from behind with opponents arm wrapped around him. I just seemed to be constantly shouting "you're joking ref" for the rest of the match. Tbh, I didn’t notice him much before that point either. You could see by his face he knew he’d got it wrong booking Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brux Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Anyone got a clip of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Mywords Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, GinRummy said: Should think so as well. That ref was ****ing hopeless. *****! He was cheap as chips though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mark_Mywords said: He was cheap as chips though. Tango man. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 "Good Sense Breaks Out in Scottish Football, Everyone's Flabber is Gasted" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, scott herbertson said: So that's 2 points deducted by the SFA. Nice of them to take away the yellow card right enough..... This is what annoys me. They’ll rescind the booking, but we’re left with the aftermath of the bad decision. Just as we were on 1/1/06, where the red card was cancelled, but the effect that it had on our title challenge remained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: This is what annoys me. They’ll rescind the booking, but we’re left with the aftermath of the bad decision. Just as we were on 1/1/06, where the red card was cancelled, but the effect that it had on our title challenge remained. Almost makes you wish we had VAR. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzinho Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Almost makes you wish we had VAR. 😳 If the VAR referees watching the TV pictures were the same crap/biased Scottish refs, I'm not sure I'd have any more confidence that we'd get correct decisions. I'd want it to be neutral, non- Scottish VAR refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22games nro Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Stevie wonder referees our game then runs the line for the rangers Motherwell game 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: This is what annoys me. They’ll rescind the booking, but we’re left with the aftermath of the bad decision. Just as we were on 1/1/06, where the red card was cancelled, but the effect that it had on our title challenge remained. I didn't think it was a dive at the time but neither was it a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Hmfc1965 said: I didn't think it was a dive at the time but neither was it a penalty. Correct, if you completely ignore the fact that the rules state that a deliberate foul in the box is a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Ref couldnt wait to get the card out. Knew he was crap when their keeper rushed out the box to clear a ball and was then out of position, gave offside against Boyce (I think) for a ball he hadnt gone for. How many times does play continue when a player is offside but we end up with a throw in in our own half and no offside. The ball to Woodburn was played behind him so he did have to stretch back but it definitely wasnt a dive, wonder if players from a different team would have got the free kick. Boyle seems to get one every time someone touches him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: Almost makes you wish we had VAR. 😳 Very sensible suggestion that won’t go well with the conspiracy theorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Correct, if you completely ignore the fact that the rules state that a deliberate foul in the box is a penalty. It didn't look a clear cut foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I didn't think it was a foul either. The way I saw it, Woodburn was reaching back for the pass that was played slightly behind him. But as he was running at full pelt, he lost his balance and went down. And the ref randomly called that simulation. Would like to see it again though...if others think it should have been Hearts' pen. Anyone got the footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gershwin said: I didn't think it was a foul either. The way I saw it, Woodburn was reaching back for the pass that was played slightly behind him. But as he was running at full pelt, he lost his balance and went down. And the ref randomly called that simulation. Would like to see it again though...if others think it should have been Hearts' pen. Anyone got the footage? Full 90 mins are on the BBC iPlayer. Go to the ALBA section. It's around the 47 minute mark on the programme, 41st minute of the match. I agree with you, Woodburn just over stretches. No foul either way for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Let’s play like Rankers. Player goes down , penalty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Gershwin said: I didn't think it was a foul either. The way I saw it, Woodburn was reaching back for the pass that was played slightly behind him. But as he was running at full pelt, he lost his balance and went down. And the ref randomly called that simulation. Would like to see it again though...if others think it should have been Hearts' pen. Anyone got the footage? The RC player clearly clipped him on the back of the leg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Thomaso said: The RC player clearly clipped him on the back of the leg! Just had a look on the iPlayer – it's quite hard to tell in real time but this screenshot suggests it was a foul, albeit outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I knew the ref a few years ago while he was still only doing lower league games. His main attribute was a refusal to ever see a ref as having called anything wrong. Even when it was totally blatant and everyone in the media was in agreement and the TV evidence was undeniable, still he would defend every decision. He certainly wasn't pro-Hearts, believing that the club was too critical of refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 This was an absolute travesty of the highest order. He plainly was tripped by the RC player At worst, and at the very very worst, We don’t get the penalty But to book the player for simulation! Absolutely incredulous Its about time these so called referees are asked to explain and justify their decisions to the paying public. They think that they are beyond giving an explanation to justify some of the nonsensical decisions that they make It’s the fact that he booked Ben basically saying that he dived, therefore was trying to get a penalty in addition to trying to get their player sent off - deliberately. It’s a f…… joke of the highest order No fecking wonder they introduced VAR. That should in theory work wonders in Scotland. More muppets involved with running our game than most other places still seething about that one tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 S***e decision against Hearts. No s**t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessnkona Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 So Hearts got nothing instead of a goal scoring chance with a penalty,but what happens to the referee the financial cost of these mistakes could be significant.What repercussions does he suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WASTREL Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 14 hours ago, 1953 said: It was hard to see from the other end but I assumed the booking was for arguing with the ref. He seemed adamant that he was the one who was fouled right enough. Booking was for simulation. RN ws incensed at it as it tarnishes a players reputation and immediately after the match said the Club would appeal it.. I didnt know a yellow card could be appealed and rescinded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Disco Ball said: Booking was for simulation. RN ws incensed at it as it tarnishes a players reputation and immediately after the match said the Club would appeal it.. I didnt know a yellow card could be appealed and rescinded. Can be appealed for simulation and mis-identification of a player, I.E wrong player booked instead of a teammate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WASTREL Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Can be appealed for simulation and mis-identification of a player, I.E wrong player booked instead of a teammate. So is it the match referee who sanctions the rescinding of the card after a review (like VAR pitchside on screen) or a panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Time for full time ref's with the sanction of demotion to lower league money if mistakes are made. In the mean time Hearts lose a chance to go top and possibly lose money in league position at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Disco Ball said: Booking was for simulation. RN ws incensed at it as it tarnishes a players reputation and immediately after the match said the Club would appeal it.. I didnt know a yellow card could be appealed and rescinded. The only yellow card that can be appealed. We've had a few But not a more clear and obvious error when player booked after opponent tripped by his own player Edited September 23, 2021 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 The frustrating thing about this is how the habitual cheats, like Boyle, seem to get away with diving for penalties more often than they should. To be fair to referees, it can't be easy sometimes, when so many players these days go down looking for decisions that can put an professional player in trouble. The current addition of the girly scream from the likes of Davidson of St Johnstone makes those players look even more pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Disco Ball said: Booking was for simulation. RN ws incensed at it as it tarnishes a players reputation and immediately after the match said the Club would appeal it.. I didnt know a yellow card could be appealed and rescinded. Fair point about reputation. Either way it's a poor substitute recinding the card instead of a penalty and potential 2 more points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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