merseyjambo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Very simple What is the acceptable points level after the first round of games and what points total would people be concerned about after first round of games. Acceptable - 15-21 Concern level - Under 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Top 5 after 1st round of games, anything below that its panic stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) What the fans think is completely irrelevant. There’s only one opinion that matters at tynie these days. Edited July 25, 2021 by Mars plastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Some on here wont be happy unless we get 34 Others on here wont be happy unless we get 0. Edited July 25, 2021 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 This season is about consolidation, consolidation within the top 6. Although, Aberdeen are very much in transition post McInnes, St Johnstone have lost a couple of players and Hibs, are Hibs. So I'd be disappointed if we missed out on qualifying (to qualify....) for Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 If Hearts do not reach 10 pts after the first tranche of games I would be concerned, they had 8 pts in 2019/2020, however I would expect them to amass at least 26 pts as n 2018/2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Couple of critical signings or fully fit best 11 top 6 Current first 11 with injuries to Gino (not great today) Soapy or, perish the thought Gordon we’re in bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Anything less than 16/17 will cause me grave concern. 22 plus is where I want us to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: If Hearts do not reach 10 pts after the first tranche of games I would be concerned, they had 8 pts in 2019/2020, however I would expect them to amass at least 26 pts as n 2018/2019. “they” “them”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, merseyjambo said: Very simple What is the acceptable points level after the first round of games and what points total would people be concerned about after first round of games. Acceptable - 15-21 Concern level - Under 10 under 10 would be a total disgrace - instant dismissal and protests on the plaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: “they” “them”? I saw that too. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I expect us to be competing for top 4 this season and to be in the mix for that after we have completed our first round of fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: “they” “them”? Wrong target, long term Hearts man and member of JKB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Acceptable - 18-21 Concerned - 15 points or under My logic is if we only have 15 points that means we have lost more than we have won ie 6 losses to 5 wins. Edited July 25, 2021 by gregzy2k7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Tazio said: Wrong target, long term Hearts man and member of JKB. Not a target a weird way of talking about your team. With all the obvious hibees on here its hard to know what to think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: Not a target a weird way of talking about your team. With all the obvious hibees on here its hard to know what to think Just a different way of talking. Clearly they refers to the team and not the club. If someone reported in watching a practice match or preseason friendly they may say “they looked good/shite” and not always we. Several people on here i suspect strongly but Tasavallan isn’t one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Looking down the first 5 fixtures, the only I'm confident of winning is at home to the vermin, just because it is them. For me, by the time you have played 11 you should have a minimum of 18 points on the board - that's 6 wins. That shouldn't be a big ask but I'm not sure that this team, as it stands, is capable of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, merseyjambo said: Very simple What is the acceptable points level after the first round of games and what points total would people be concerned about after first round of games. Acceptable - 15-21 Concern level - Under 10 What are we calling 10-14 points? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: “they” “them”? I wouldn't fixate on that too much. Some people just don't like to say "We" or "Us" because they're technically not the ones on the park playing the game. It's just a matter of preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 19 points from the first round would have us bang on course for 60 points. Anything above that would be fantastic start, 19 would be a great start...less than that is fine but we wouldn’t want to be under 15. (That would mean we would have given up two ‘target’ fixtures). No point worrying too much about position in the table or what others have due to the imbalance in fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I wouldn't worry too much about the points total as in our league all the teams seem to take points off each other. Top 4 is where we need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: If Hearts do not reach 10 pts after the first tranche of games I would be concerned, they had 8 pts in 2019/2020, however I would expect them to amass at least 26 pts as n 2018/2019. You're going to be disappointed if you expect 26 points from the first 11 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niemi’s gloves Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said: Acceptable - 18-21 Concerned - 15 points or under My logic is if we only have 15 points that means we have lost more than we have won ie 6 losses to 5 wins. 15 points could also be 4 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses Edited July 25, 2021 by Niemi’s gloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Taffin said: I wouldn't worry too much about the points total as in our league all the teams seem to take points off each other. Top 4 is where we need to be. Position only matters after 38 matches. The points required for each position are remarkably consistent from season to season. Get the points on the board and the position takes care of itself. No point being 4th mid-season on a lower than average points total and then realise that the fixture imbalance means that we are actually off the pace in the long run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I would like to think we are capable of winning all the home games in the first set of fixtures. Celtic obviously being the hardest. Hibs and Aberdeen I just always expect to beat at home as its what I've mostly been used to. Think we also have Motherwell, Livingston and Dundee. Games we should be winning. I don't fancy us picking up many points away from home though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, OTT said: This season is about consolidation, consolidation within the top 6. Although, Aberdeen are very much in transition post McInnes, St Johnstone have lost a couple of players and Hibs, are Hibs. So I'd be disappointed if we missed out on qualifying (to qualify....) for Europe. This season's excuse nice and early, next year it will be a rebuild after getting rid of this season's deadwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Diego10 said: You're going to be disappointed if you expect 26 points from the first 11 games Indeed...26 points from the first 11 would have any side genuinely on course for the title. I would take it of course but to expect it is not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: Position only matters after 38 matches. The points required for each position are remarkably consistent from season to season. Get the points on the board and the position takes care of itself. No point being 4th mid-season on a lower than average points total and then realise that the fixture imbalance means that we are actually off the pace in the long run... After 33 matches position matters. Or fewer given how corrupt the game is in Scotland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JamboGraham said: Position only matters after 38 matches. The points required for each position are remarkably consistent from season to season. Get the points on the board and the position takes care of itself. No point being 4th mid-season on a lower than average points total and then realise that the fixture imbalance means that we are actually off the pace in the long run... 20/21 - 56 19/20 - 45 18/19 - 67 17/18 - 67 16/17 - 58 Points tally for 4th last 5 season. Quite a variation there with a 22 point difference from once season to the next (50% more points required in 18/19 than the season after). Edited July 25, 2021 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Taffin said: 20/21 - 56 19/20 - 45 18/19 - 67 17/18 - 67 16/17 - 58 Points tally for 4th last 5 season. Quite a variation there with a 22 point difference from once season to the next (50% more points). 19/20 wasn’t a full set of matches. The two 67’s were the last two where Rangers were dropping more points than would reasonably be expected. When you have a strong Rangers and Celtic competing with each other we end up back down nearer the 56-58 point mark. Go a little further back, the most recent seasons are not the norm. Edited July 25, 2021 by JamboGraham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, JamboGraham said: 19/20 wasn’t a full set of matches. The two 67’s were the last two where Rangers were dropping more points than would reasonably be expected. When you have a strong Rangers and Celtic competing with each other we end up back down nearer the 56-58 point mark. Go a little further back, the most reasons seasons are not the norm. True, I forgot about the shortened season but it's still a big variation 4 out if the last 5 seasons. I'm still not too fussed where we are on points though after a round of fixtures and will be gauging our success on league placement at the end of the first round of fixtures, at 33 games and at 38. That's just personal preference though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 16-18 would be a decent return. Anything below a point a game and its relegation form, but if we’re struggling that badly there’s no way neilson lasts 11 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1964m Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Top 5 club with hibs below us every season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: “they” “them”? 9300 posts and £519 donated, yet drops the “they” “them” chat 😂😂😂 I’m laughing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: Not a target a weird way of talking about your team. With all the obvious hibees on here its hard to know what to think Who are all these obvious hibees? By the way, PHM don't refer to that shower as hibees (which is what they call themselves), PHM prefer vermin, hobos, hubs, and other less flattering phrases. See what I did there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said: Who are all these obvious hibees? By the way, PHM don't refer to that shower as hibees (which is what they call themselves), PHM prefer vermin, hobos, hubs, and other less flattering phrases. See what I did there? Whatever they are they're never Hearts fans. So I'll go with Hibs fans. Nowhere to be seen when going well and miserable after winning. I go with Hibees personally. "Hobos" is a modern thing - as cringy as "yams". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Whatever they are they're never Hearts fans. So I'll go with Hibs fans. Nowhere to be seen when going well and miserable after winning. I go with Hibees personally. "Hobos" is a modern thing - as cringy as "yams". You should have recognised by now that some Hearts fans are "glass half empty" types. But they're still Hearts fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: Who are all these obvious hibees? By the way, PHM don't refer to that shower as hibees (which is what they call themselves), PHM prefer vermin, hobos, hubs, and other less flattering phrases. See what I did there? I take issue with you slightly. I call them cabbages and that is all a title to which they self describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Niemi’s gloves said: 15 points could also be 4 wins, 3 draws, 4 losses Yeah I know that but for me it doesn't really matter how the points are divided up or won the fact would be that it is 15 out of 33 points available, which equates to only 5 wins in 11, I don't think that's good enough for hearts any way you like to cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 As an aside, I insist on us taking maximum points from Hibernian, St Johnstone and St Mirren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) Can't keep up on here anymore. Thought we'd dispensed with worrying about results and just cared about swashbuckling entertainment with flair and excitement. With that in mind, I'll go for 5 points but with 10 goals a game and Jobby Nilson sacked on Xmas eve, just so I fit in with the group mind. Edited July 26, 2021 by Bull's-eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Hibs finished with 63 last season. An average of 1.7 points per game. So I'd be looking for us to be on 18 points through 11 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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