j1964m Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Would be great if the top flight now vote you must have grass playing surface in the top fight of the SPFL to be promoted. Only Livingston left in top flight with a plastic pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Agree, saying that the surface at Raith i thought was very good .. that’s the only one tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 It does raise the question. Kilmarnock and Hamilton have defended themselves strongly. Not sure though what the vote would be. Might need all the divisions to approve a vote and no chance the Championship would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, kingantti1874 said: Agree, saying that the surface at Raith i thought was very good .. that’s the only one tho I thought Falkirk and Queen of the South were decent enough in 2014/15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Yep, the top level certainly shouldn't allow plastic pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I was going to start this as a topic, its the perfect time to ban them, and just in case Brechin win the highland league, stop the pyramid system too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Never seen 1 good game of football on a plastic pitch. They’re pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professorfate Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I agree no wonder English people think our league is pish. I think it is the bare minimum to have grass pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I tend to agree, on the other hand we've seen some very poor grass pitches as well this season, at Morton for example. Maybe if clubs at Championship level and above were told at the start of the season that a grass pitch would be required for promotion or continuation in the PL it would encourage them to get their act together in good time, maybe with ground sharing arrangements with other teams in the lower leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyMcL Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 It’s a rule for the Football League in England. Sutton Utd have been promoted (well run club) and are having to rip up their artificial pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) I’d have thought as the outcome of this vote would affect more than just the current batch of Premiership clubs, it would need to be a full 42 club vote. Edited May 25, 2021 by DH1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Drew Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Never seen 1 good game of football on a plastic pitch. They’re pish. Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, DavyMcL said: It’s a rule for the Football League in England. Sutton Utd have been promoted (well run club) and are having to rip up their artificial pitch. Didn't know that but think that is how it should be . Livingston have [did have] an amazing home record . Not belittling their efforts but think there can be a definite advantage . Yes I know who got relegated ! Main argument is these pitches are not conducive to good football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true-jambo Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 There appears to be a difference of opinion regarding the voting requirements to exclude the use of artificial surfaces in the Premier League. I am sure one of the more educated posters, in terms of the SPFL rules, would be able to throw some light on whether or not Premier League clubs on an 11-1 can have them excluded from use in the top division, or whether clubs from all 4 divisions would need to vote in favour. If the vote were to be restricted to the Premier League, and given only one club, Livingston, currently play on plastic, the chances of success would surely be quite high. It is probably worth noting the players voted heavily in favour of outlawing artificial playing surfaces. My question is, that if the Premier League clubs are indeed in charge of their own destiny, should we the supporters be lobbying the club strongly to raise the issue with the SPFL Board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 It's the quality of surface that is important not the element. Our pitch is hybrid, do we need to start again, again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, true-jambo said: There appears to be a difference of opinion regarding the voting requirements to exclude the use of artificial surfaces in the Premier League. I am sure one of the more educated posters, in terms of the SPFL rules, would be able to throw some light on whether or not Premier League clubs on an 11-1 can have them excluded from use in the top division, or whether clubs from all 4 divisions would need to vote in favour. If the vote were to be restricted to the Premier League, and given only one club, Livingston, currently play on plastic, the chances of success would surely be quite high. It is probably worth noting the players voted heavily in favour of outlawing artificial playing surfaces. My question is, that if the Premier League clubs are indeed in charge of their own destiny, should we the supporters be lobbying the club strongly to raise the issue with the SPFL Board Divisions can definitely make up their own rules as evidenced by our 27 game season and only being allowed 3 subs in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true-jambo Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, David McCaig said: Divisions can definitely make up their own rules as evidenced by our 27 game season and only being allowed 3 subs in the Championship. Agreed, but isn't it different depending on the type of rule which is to be changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Never seen 1 good game of football on a plastic pitch. They’re pish. Pretty much this, some on here saying some were not too bad, is that due to the type of hybrid or the way it is kept, anyway top league should be grass only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: It's the quality of surface that is important not the element. Our pitch is hybrid, do we need to start again, again? hybrid is 97% grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, David McCaig said: hybrid is 97% grass Same as Murrayfield, top quality surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Its strange this whole Plastic pitch debate. some teams who have it say its for allowing football training and kids football on it even rent it out to amateur sides to train mid week. These teams who have the plastic pitch all have more pitches around the ground. Hamilton, Falkirk, Livingston. they all have more astro pitches outside their stadium. It should be similar to when you needed 10k stadium to get into the SPL years ago . When you reach the Premier League if you have a plastic pitch it should be replaced by grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said: I was going to start this as a topic, its the perfect time to ban them, and just in case Brechin win the highland league, stop the pyramid system too I think If Brechin win the Highland League they won't get past the team who win's the lowland there is about 4/5 good teams in the Lowland who will eventually get up like Kelty in the future. Think Brechin will disappear like East Stirling and Berwick for sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Shouldn't have plastic pitches in top league in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 One of the few arguments for having them was that games would never be postponed due to bad weather. In the season just ended a fair few games on artificial (all weather) pitches were postponed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I would like to see plastic pitches banned in the top league. In fairness to Livi - if it happened i'd expect a grace period allowing them a season to change it. In fairness to Raith (for example) i'd probably be content to suggest the same to any club promoted. If they last more than one season then it has to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, David McCaig said: hybrid is 97% grass Only time I had the pleasure of walking it, can be certain it wasnt 97% grass but take your point Thanks for clarifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I've played on both Hamilton's (admittedly I think they've laid a new one since) and Livi's and they are horrific. I tore ankle ligaments landing awkwardly on Hamilton's, where my foot would have slid away on grass. Didn't play again for 9 months. Livi's seemed to be vertical so studs struggled to gain any traction, like a comb. Grass all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7165826/premiership-clubs-discuss-banning-artificial-pitches/ Just as I thought..... It’ll take 75% of all 42 clubs to vote out artificial pitches for the Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 On 25/05/2021 at 11:13, kingantti1874 said: Agree, saying that the surface at Raith i thought was very good .. that’s the only one tho Maybe all that's needed is a ban on shit plastic pitches Some clubs seem to confuse "cheap to maintain and durable" with "maintenance free with no need to replace ever" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 If the vote doe 22 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Shouldn't have plastic pitches in top league in my opinion This. They stopped teams from getting promoted before because their facilities weren't of a high enough level. Should be the same with pitches. Of Course the vote won't go through because the lower leagues get a say in it. After the events of last year, we need a breakaway league IMO - two larger top leagues of teams capable of being proper professional football clubs and everyone else in a semi pro set-up. The problem is do we even have enough clubs who meet the criteria to form those two top leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 2 hours ago, DH1986 said: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7165826/premiership-clubs-discuss-banning-artificial-pitches/ Just as I thought..... It’ll take 75% of all 42 clubs to vote out artificial pitches for the Premiership. Once again a load of part-time clubs, that bring nothing to the game, get to decide what's best for professional club trying to make things better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Once again a load of part-time clubs, that bring nothing to the game, get to decide what's best for professional club trying to make things better. Yep...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 A lot of clubs in Scotland rely on their plastic pitches as a source of income through the season. Livi’s pitch is used every night of the week for kids training, local amateur teams playing and the club get decent rental fees on it. Top level football I agree though they should be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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