Georgecowie Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, i8hibsh said: I don't even think about him as a Hearts player anymore. Just another 'what could've been' from our conveyor belt of crocks. Between the Woman's Guild in the office recruiting and dishing out the t's and c's on their contracts,, Dougie Howser MD and Doctor Nick Riveira in the medical room, 5 Moray House placement students doing the sport science and Hoddit and Doddit as groundskeeers doing their weekly bob a job our players truly are ****ed. Thanks i8. Inspirational stuff as usual. Do you offer such sage advice on the Fab Four as well? Love to hear your thoughts on Linda McCartney and Yoko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Georgecowie said: Thanks i8. Inspirational stuff as usual. Do you offer such sage advice on the Fab Four as well? Love to hear your thoughts on Linda McCartney and Yoko. Linda was lovely and my hatred towards Yoko is no more. It is difficult to hate a women in her mid 80s. I may even ease off Ann in 10 years. They both inspired a shit load of amazing solo work too, so only fair to mention that. I also find Lindas love of Scotland very warming. Edited November 24, 2020 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Linda was lovely and my hatred towards Yoko is no more. It is difficult to hate a women in her mid 80s. I may even ease off Ann in 10 years. They both inspired a shit load of amazing solo work too, so only fair to mention that. I also find Lindas love of Scotland very warming. Well thought off in Campbelltown with a nice memorial. Not much of a keyboard player though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Well thought off in Campbelltown with a nice memorial. Not much of a keyboard player though. Her vegetarian sausages were nothing to write home about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Well thought off in Campbelltown with a nice memorial. Not much of a keyboard player though. Proficient for sure. Being taught of a musical genius like McCartney for years, you are going to be able to hold your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 What worries me about Souttar is this: a torn Achilles tendon is an uncommon injury. For a player to get that injury twice, let alone three times, makes me wonder if there’s something the matter with his connective tissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 39 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: What worries me about Souttar is this: a torn Achilles tendon is an uncommon injury. For a player to get that injury twice, let alone three times, makes me wonder if there’s something the matter with his connective tissues. Typical doubter with your medical nonsense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Typical doubter with your medical nonsense... But he is a doctor 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, CJGJ said: But he is a doctor 😉 I know. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, CJGJ said: But he is a doctor 😉 Probably dislaying a level of expertise that rules him out of the threads on here then. The JKB Experts On Everything will soon put him and his medical knowledge to the sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 10:31, i8hibsh said: Proficient for sure. Being taught of a musical genius like McCartney for years, you are going to be able to hold your own. Saw Wings at the Odeon on their first tour and was pleasantly surprised to find she could hold her own on the keyboard, though she didn't do much more than play chords along with the guitars. Importantly she didn't try to play anything she wasn't capable of playing but did get a telling off at one point for tinkling the keys between songs. As you'd expect with McCartney, every chord, note and voice was spot on and in this, again to my surprise, his missus made no mistakes with her backing vocals. You are so right, though, to say that learning from a musical genius ensures at least adequacy. Off topic, I suppose, but the Odeon wasn't that far from Tynecastle (when you were young), and a lot closer if you ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: Saw Wings at the Odeon on their first tour and was pleasantly surprised to find she could hold her own on the keyboard, though she didn't do much more than play chords along with the guitars. Importantly she didn't try to play anything she wasn't capable of playing but did get a telling off at one point for tinkling the keys between songs. As you'd expect with McCartney, every chord, note and voice was spot on and in this, again to my surprise, his missus made no mistakes with her backing vocals. You are so right, though, to say that learning from a musical genius ensures at least adequacy. Off topic, I suppose, but the Odeon wasn't that far from Tynecastle (when you were young), and a lot closer if you ran Was at that one. Sound system went down for a while but they carried on regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 How did a thread about John Souttar descend into a discussion on seeing Wings at The Odeon almost 50 years ago? Fwiw, I never saw Wings live, not my cup of tea, but my first gig was at The Odeon to watch a proper band - The Damned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, RobNox said: How did a thread about John Souttar descend into a discussion on seeing Wings at The Odeon almost 50 years ago? Fwiw, I never saw Wings live, not my cup of tea, but my first gig was at The Odeon to watch a proper band - The Damned! mine was AC/DC at Leith Town Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jr ewing said: Was at that one. Sound system went down for a while but they carried on regardless. You must have been at the second performance, first went without a hitch, as far as I can remember, and I'd have remembered something like that, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, RobNox said: How did a thread about John Souttar descend into a discussion on seeing Wings at The Odeon almost 50 years ago? Fwiw, I never saw Wings live, not my cup of tea, but my first gig was at The Odeon to watch a proper band - The Damned! Golden Earring for me! Drummer did a 5 minute solo then dived out over the drums, got up ran back and started again. No idea why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: mine was AC/DC at Leith Town Hall Another proper band, and as a Leither I have to give you extra kudos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jambo61 said: Golden Earring for me! Drummer did a 5 minute solo then dived out over the drums, got up ran back and started again. No idea why! I remember seeing Radar Love on TOTP, the drummer did have a habit of jumping over his kit. Rat Scabies of The Damned often set his kit on fire before trashing it. Drummers seem to be rock music's equivalent of goalies, a breed of their own and often as daft as a brush. It reminds me of my favourite drummer joke... Q. What's the difference between a drummer and a drum machine? A. With a drum machine, you only need to punch the instructions in once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: mine was AC/DC at Leith Town Hall Jimmy James and the Vagabonds - Magoos. (I think) John would've liked Jimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: Jimmy James and the Vagabonds - Magoos. (I think) John would've liked Jimmy. Awesome! Magoos... that's even before my time but I remember the front of it (if it's the same place) as a kid in the High Street just across from John Knox's House...is that the one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 6 hours ago, RobNox said: Another proper band, and as a Leither I have to give you extra kudos That's dangerous talk around these parts! LOL (I'm a proud Jambo Leither too BTW) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokHearts Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 17:26, Mister T said: Her vegetarian sausages were nothing to write home about Ahead of the curve though with all the plant based 'meat' available now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 10:26, Mister T said: Her vegetarian sausages were nothing to write home about They were compared to what was passed off as 'bacon' which was extraordinarily awful. One of the few foodstuffs truly outranked by cardboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, RobNox said: How did a thread about John Souttar descend into a discussion on seeing Wings at The Odeon almost 50 years ago? Fwiw, I never saw Wings live, not my cup of tea, but my first gig was at The Odeon to watch a proper band - The Damned! Did see The Clash, The Specials and Thin Lizzy at the Odeon but my first was Santana at the Playhouse 😎 Edited November 27, 2020 by moonraker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 any news on John Soutter then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 22/11/2020 at 17:19, Irufushi said: Let’s be honest, he’s finished. Oh dear.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, RobNox said: How did a thread about John Souttar descend into a discussion on seeing Wings at The Odeon almost 50 years ago? Fwiw, I never saw Wings live, not my cup of tea, but my first gig was at The Odeon to watch a proper band - The Damned! I like it when threads derail. Boomtown Rats for me. 78 I think. Punks my arse. Wonder what our punk legend thought of them. Trying a further derailment. Edited November 27, 2020 by Tommy Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: I like it when threads derail. Boomtown Rats for me. 78 I think. Punks my arse. Wonder what our punk legend thought of them. Trying a further derailment. First was Hawkwind in the Caley picture house Lothian road. Only knew one song, it was rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: Awesome! Magoos... that's even before my time but I remember the front of it (if it's the same place) as a kid in the High Street just across from John Knox's House...is that the one? Was a loooong time ago but aye, it was kicking around that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: I like it when threads derail. Boomtown Rats for me. 78 I think. Punks my arse. Wonder what our punk legend thought of them. Trying a further derailment. At Tiffany's perchance? Never seen so much spittle. Always best catching bands in small venues rather than e.g. stadiums. 7th September 1977. How time flies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Jim Panzee said: any news on John Soutter then? Was thinking the same. Not even remotely on topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 March 2021 Was orig out for season but progress to date has been good. Do you risk an early return though even if all the tests/scans etc are passed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borders Jambo Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 00:06, Uncle Buck said: Bet he could play with two ruptured achilies and a blind fold, and still be our best centre half. ”He’s finished” - absolute nonsense. I very much hope this even if he doesn't hit the heights we all hoped he would, I hope at least a competent player in our league who enjoys his football without worrying about breaking down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: March 2021 Was orig out for season but progress to date has been good. Do you risk an early return though even if all the tests/scans etc are passed ? Given his history, I'd be inclined not to risk bringing him back fully this season, unless we are really struggling in defence. Maybe we could introduce him gradually towards the end of the season, in the same way that Robbie brought Haring back in gently. Build him up slowly so he is in peak condition for the 2021 Scottish Cup Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Called this about 2 years ago. Through no fault of his own he is just 'one of those players' unfortunately. Decent player but he is completely finished. He will return from this injury, at least for a while until his next injury. His body will be suffering too much. He is made of glass. He will retire within 18 months. His and our bad luck that sadly, for us has cost us a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) Ask yourself this, has any player went on to have a long successful career after 2 horrendous career threatening injuries (as well as less serious injuries) at such an early stage in his career? If you think this is even possible then you are deluded. Edited November 27, 2020 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 He was thrown in too early at Dundee United and played too often at too early a stage. 7 years as a pro and he has had 2 career ending injuries as well as about 3 other small more minor injuries iirc (ankle, etc). It works out at almost 1 injury every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 10 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Called this about 2 years ago. Through no fault of his own he is just 'one of those players' unfortunately. Decent player but he is completely finished. He will return from this injury, at least for a while until his next injury. His body will be suffering too much. He is made of glass. He will retire within 18 months. His and our bad luck that sadly, for us has cost us a fortune. We didn't pay much for him, and you can't 'lose' a fortune you never had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, upgotheheads said: We didn't pay much for him, and you can't 'lose' a fortune you never had. I said "cost us a fortune". salaries, rehab, expenses, physios etc. Unless you think it is all free? He has been a very poor signing. The signs of his fragility were there from his very early days at United. Basically, we have invested heavily for very little return* *not the fault of the player Edited November 28, 2020 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 If you buy an Audi TT with one previous owner and spends half the time in the garage it would be classed as a bad investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: If you buy an Audi TT with one previous owner and spends half the time in the garage it would be classed as a bad investment. You have a bee in yer bonnet about Souttar, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, davemclaren said: You have a bee in yer bonnet about Souttar, for sure. He is a very decent player Dave imo and I am gutted he is not playing every week. But he is just another poor signing from our club and another example of poor man management. He should've joined Sunderland (I think) and avoided us. We simply do not harvest the crop. We plant lots of seeds but that is it. Our academy is practically fruitless and these young promising players we continue to sign end up on the scrapheap. Questions need to be asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjambo21 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: He is a very decent player Dave imo and I am gutted he is not playing every week. But he is just another poor signing from our club and another example of poor man management. He should've joined Sunderland (I think) and avoided us. We simply do not harvest the crop. We plant lots of seeds but that is it. Our academy is practically fruitless and these young promising players we continue to sign end up on the scrapheap. Questions need to be asked. No doubt he has been injured far to long but what about the important games he has been involved in. He has played close to 100 games for us which is not bad for someone we got cheap. Also worth every penny of his medical bills for that tackle of Brandon Barker 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Madjambo21 said: No doubt he has been injured far to long but what about the important games he has been involved in. He has played close to 100 games for us which is not bad for someone we got cheap. Also worth every penny of his medical bills for that tackle of Brandon Barker 😁 It was a belter. I shop in Lidl mj as I like getting more for my money. Souttar was a Waitrose signing. We could've got more for our money at Lidl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjambo21 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It was a belter. I shop in Lidl mj as I like getting more for my money. Souttar was a Waitrose signing. We could've got more for our money at Lidl. Problem with Lidl signings is no doubt you get some decent ones but that bargain isle in the middle can give you a Grzelak Christ most of our signings have been from poundland in the last few years then 😬 Still hope Souttar has a future playing but do worry this could be the end for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Madjambo21 said: No doubt he has been injured far to long but what about the important games he has been involved in. He has played close to 100 games for us which is not bad for someone we got cheap. Also worth every penny of his medical bills for that tackle of Brandon Barker 😁 John Souttar tends to remind me a lot of Andy Webster, in terms of his presence on the field. Like Webster I never walked away from a game thinking Souttar was superb today, both just got on with what they had to do without doing anything spectacular. But again, like Webster, it is only now Souttar isn't in the team you realise more just how much better we look when he is there. A three with Gordon in goal and Halkett and Souttar in front of him and Smith and Kingsley at full back sounds like a comfortable base for going forward. Edited November 28, 2020 by portobellojambo1 Pish spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 hours ago, i8hibsh said: If you buy an Audi TT with one previous owner and spends half the time in the garage it would be classed as a bad investment. Very few cars, especially cars like Audi TT, are investments, they're almost always a depreciating asset. If Football clubs only ever signed players who couldn't be injured they would never sign anyone. And since Bosman no player can ever be described as an investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: Very few cars, especially cars like Audi TT, are investments, they're almost always a depreciating asset. If Football clubs only ever signed players who couldn't be injured they would never sign anyone. And since Bosman no player can ever be described as an investment. We invest money in him every week in the hope of a return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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