gashauskis9 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Last Hearts LB to score twice in a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 John Millar Paul Ritchie Both scored twice wearing no 3 in the 1990s but weren't playing left back. So last time was George Thomson with 2 penalties Mon 31 Aug 1959 19:30 Hearts 8 The British Army 1 Floodlight Friendly Thomas Frew scored two in Sat 18 Aug 1900 16:00 Hibernian 3 Hearts 2 East of Scotland League And Nick Ross scored five back in 1884 Sat 08 Mar 1884 Hearts 12 West Calder 1 Friendly Though unlikely He was playing what we would think as a 'left back' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Another one for the statisticians (sorry if it's been covered on another thread): Have we ever been awarded 5 penalties in our first 4 competitive matches before? 5 in 4 at any stage of the season must be pretty rare, I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) Only previous Occurrence of being awarded penalties in 4 consecutive competitive games. Thu 30 Jul 2015 Hearts 4 Arbroath 2 League Cup (Sow Osman) Scored Sun 02 Aug 2015 Hearts 4 St Johnstone 3 Premiership (Sow Osman) Missed Sat 08 Aug 2015 Dundee 1 Hearts 2 Premiership (Delgado Juanma) Scored Wed 12 Aug 2015 Hearts 2 Motherwell 0 Premiership (Reilly Gavin) Scored Edited October 17, 2020 by Hearts Heritage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Hearts Heritage said: Only previous Occurrence of being awarded penalties in 4 consecutive competitive games. Thu 30 Jul 2015 Hearts 4 Arbroath 2 League Cup (Sow Osman) Scored Sun 02 Aug 2015 Hearts 4 St Johnstone 3 Premiership (Sow Osman) Missed Sat 08 Aug 2015 Dundee 1 Hearts 2 Premiership (Delgado Juanma) Scored Wed 12 Aug 2015 Hearts 2 Motherwell 0 Premiership (Reilly Gavin) Scored Thank you HH! (from HH) Interesting that it was also the first 4 games of a season - and also under Robbie. Must be a reasonable chance of setting a new record with a game against Arbroath. I'd forgotten that 2015-16 opened with 7 straight wins (5 league, 2 league cup) - hopefully we can do even better this time... Edited October 17, 2020 by Hackney Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 12 hours ago, Hearts Heritage said: John Millar Paul Ritchie Both scored twice wearing no 3 in the 1990s but weren't playing left back. So last time was George Thomson with 2 penalties Mon 31 Aug 1959 19:30 Hearts 8 The British Army 1 Floodlight Friendly Thomas Frew scored two in Sat 18 Aug 1900 16:00 Hibernian 3 Hearts 2 East of Scotland League And Nick Ross scored five back in 1884 Sat 08 Mar 1884 Hearts 12 West Calder 1 Friendly Though unlikely He was playing what we would think as a 'left back' Superb, thanks for this 👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 George Thomson ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I should know this, as I did play this formation in my younger days, but I think a number three was a wing-half in a 2-3-5 setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1951 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: I should know this, as I did play this formation in my younger days, but I think a number three was a wing-half in a 2-3-5 setup? Number 3 was left back. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, john1951 said: Number 3 was left back. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 The formatting of that on mobile looks hilarious btw 6, 10 and 11 playing on a different pitch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, tian447 said: The formatting of that on mobile looks hilarious btw 6, 10 and 11 playing on a different pitch! Football was complicated in those days. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, tian447 said: The formatting of that on mobile looks hilarious btw 6, 10 and 11 playing on a different pitch! In the Wheatfield getting pies and Bovril for their team mates. Football was different in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Kenny Black scored a hat trick including two penalties but not sure he was playing left back or left midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasthere1954 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, David Black said: George Thomson ? Went to Everton at the same time as Alec Young. He later got invnolved in some kind of match fixing/or something else along with a couple of Sheffield Wednesday players. I'm thing Swan and Lane. Can't quite remember as it was a long time again. Think they all got suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, iwasthere1954 said: Went to Everton at the same time as Alec Young. He later got invnolved in some kind of match fixing/or something else along with a couple of Sheffield Wednesday players. I'm thing Swan and Lane. Can't quite remember as it was a long time again. Think they all got suspended. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Thomson_(footballer,_born_1936) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, iwasthere1954 said: Went to Everton at the same time as Alec Young. He later got invnolved in some kind of match fixing/or something else along with a couple of Sheffield Wednesday players. I'm thing Swan and Lane. Can't quite remember as it was a long time again. Think they all got suspended. Took all our penalties in that era and I can't remember him missing. Perhaps HH can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatfield to sheffield Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, jambos are go! said: Kenny Black scored a hat trick including two penalties but not sure he was playing left back or left midfield. Against Dumbarton, 5-1. First hat trick I ever saw. I think Whittaker (or George Cowie) would have been playing so KB was in midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Test the historian with this query ... 4 left footed goals in game ( 3 scorers ) I know Rudi had a few braces and hat tricks but unusual to see four great goals with the left peg . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 6 hours ago, john1951 said: Number 3 was left back. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Total Football 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 hours ago, luckydug said: Took all our penalties in that era and I can't remember him missing. Perhaps HH can help. Another full back, Bobby Kirk, was the penalty taker before George Thomson. We had some prolific goal scorers in those days, and I always wondered why the let defenders take penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said: Another full back, Bobby Kirk, was the penalty taker before George Thomson. We had some prolific goal scorers in those days, and I always wondered why the let defenders take penalties. Used to wonder that myself. Obviously the two players quoted but Rangers had Eric Caldow on pens. Hibs had Joe Davis, Celtic had Tommy Gemmell. I'm sure there's more but they stick in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 9 hours ago, David Black said: George Thomson ? The very first attacking full back in Britain at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambobas Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 8 hours ago, iwasthere1954 said: Went to Everton at the same time as Alec Young. He later got invnolved in some kind of match fixing/or something else along with a couple of Sheffield Wednesday players. I'm thing Swan and Lane. Can't quite remember as it was a long time again. Think they all got suspended. You're doing George Thomson a grave disservice. He was not involved in the Peter Swan et al match fixing case and therefore was never suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 9 hours ago, jambobas said: You're doing George Thomson a grave disservice. He was not involved in the Peter Swan et al match fixing case and therefore was never suspended. That's what I thought as well. Is the poster not getting confused with former Celtic goalie Dick Beatie. Apologies to Dick Beatie if I'm wrong. Sheffield Wed were involved iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 11 hours ago, chrystaf said: The very first attacking full back in Britain at the time. Yes, and before Tommy Gemmell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambobas Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 9 hours ago, luckydug said: That's what I thought as well. Is the poster not getting confused with former Celtic goalie Dick Beatie. Apologies to Dick Beatie if I'm wrong. Sheffield Wed were involved iirc Yes, Dick Beattie was involved along with the main players - Peter Swan, David Layne and Tony Kay, all of Sheffield Wednesday. There were several other minor players involved, and the organiser was ex-player Jimmy Gauld. All were banned from football for life and sentenced to various terms of imprisonment. The FA allowed the players to appeal their ban in 1971, and several of them played again for a few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airthjambo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 21 hours ago, luckydug said: Used to wonder that myself. Obviously the two players quoted but Rangers had Eric Caldow on pens. Hibs had Joe Davis, Celtic had Tommy Gemmell. I'm sure there's more but they stick in my mind. Sandy Jardine for Rangers and Hearts occasionally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 There will be more pens this season but maybe we are seeing the “old firm” argument in effect: The more you are attacking and in the oppo box the more pens you’ll get. Sorry 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: There will be more pens this season but maybe we are seeing the “old firm” argument in effect: The more you are attacking and in the oppo box the more pens you’ll get. Sorry 😬 no need to be sorry i agree we will get many more this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasthere1954 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 18/10/2020 at 00:48, jambobas said: You're doing George Thomson a grave disservice. He was not involved in the Peter Swan et al match fixing case and therefore was never suspended. As I said it was a long time ago. I seem to remember George being mentioned at the time although if as you say it wasn't anything to do with match fixing I can't think what it was. Certainly not wanting to blacken George's name as he was a superb full back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 17/10/2020 at 21:45, luckydug said: Used to wonder that myself. Obviously the two players quoted but Rangers had Eric Caldow on pens. Hibs had Joe Davis, Celtic had Tommy Gemmell. I'm sure there's more but they stick in my mind. I think Joe Davis was Hibs top scorer one season due to the amount of penalties they got. Hibs had a few players who could dive for Scotland, Stevenson, Cormack, Stein to name but 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 hours ago, iwasthere1954 said: As I said it was a long time ago. I seem to remember George being mentioned at the time although if as you say it wasn't anything to do with match fixing I can't think what it was. Certainly not wanting to blacken George's name as he was a superb full back. George Thomson could also play left half and inside left. In fact I think he scored a hat trick one game playing inside left. A goal scoring fullback a few years before Tommy Gemmill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 18/10/2020 at 19:42, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: There will be more pens this season but maybe we are seeing the “old firm” argument in effect: The more you are attacking and in the oppo box the more pens you’ll get. Sorry 😬 I think you are right too. The more you are attacking, the more chance you have of the opposition giving away a foul and penalties. I think we have seen it already this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav1e Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Im sure Jim Jeffries scored a double against Aberdeen in a midweek game mid 70's. Can't remember if he was left back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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