frankblack Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, weegie jambo said: This thing will go on for much, much, longer than a few months. From my point of view going out at all may not be an option until a vaccine is developed. Covid-19 does not go away even if the curve flattens out considerably. It's a risk I may have to think very seriously about taking. UEFA seems to be suggesting that leagues will not be recognised unless they complete fully which is all well and good but it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Better to "null & void" and reconstruct and move on to a new season when it is safe to do so. UEFA should adopt this approach as these are unusual times and every country will be in different places re infection rates and population safety. Who really cares about European competitions next season? There will be ridiculous travel restrictions in place everywhere with quarantine requirements no doubt. The UEFA threats about european places are fairly empty threats if the competions are impractical for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegie jambo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, frankblack said: Who really cares about European competitions next season? There will be ridiculous travel restrictions in place everywhere with quarantine requirements no doubt. The UEFA threats about european places are fairly empty threats if the competions are impractical for a couple of years. Totally agree, suspend all European competitions for a couple of years. It only benefits a few mega rich clubs and isn't for the likes of Hearts. The only people who benefit is the greedy rich top 5 nations and the TV companies. It stopped being a fair competition for me when they started letting 4th placed clubs from the top 5 in. Champions League , my a***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Gizmo said: Look at me everybody, I don't conform. Like Michael Gove, I've had "far too much of experts". Your RTA explanation is a false equivalence - and patently wrong. Annual road deaths UK (2018): 1,784 Link: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2019/09/27/uk-road-casualty-statistics-labelled-dsigraceful Current UK coronavirus deaths: 4, 313 Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ We are no-where near the peak, either. I suggest that, you too, know very little about the subject matter since even a cursory glance at the readily available data would have illustrated that the surety and arrogant confidence of your position was not in any way matched by reality. Unfortunately, that is the way of the internet and world these days - people espouse stuff with such brash, forceful surety that other folk swallow it and we end up with anti-vaxxers, anti-science and idiots setting mobile telecommunications masts on fire. Where did I say that I am not conforming. I work from home and stick to the rules . My point is that a long term lockdown is unsustainable and will result in many thousands of people breaking the rules. I would draw the line at a ban on outdoor exercise though. Any attempt by the government to ban that would be lunacy and probably illegal in a liberal democracy.. OK, I thought RTA figures would be a lot higher and accept that. I should have checked the data. However, the general point stands that many more people die from respirarory illnesses, sepsis, cancer each year than will die from this virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: My daughter, an ICU Nurse, can testify that this is more than scaremongering. I don't want to mention her again on a forum like this but I can assure you if the guidelines are not followed then this will go on longer than we can foresee. Let's leave it at that. Fair point Johno. Just to reiterate, I do stick to the rules, including working from home. Finally, I think we are all really appreciative of the excellent job that your daughter and all her colleagues in the NHS do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Where did I say that I am not conforming. I work from home and stick to the rules . My point is that a long term lockdown is unsustainable and will result in many thousands of people breaking the rules. I would draw the line at a ban on outdoor exercise though. Any attempt by the government to ban that would be lunacy and probably illegal in a liberal democracy.. OK, I thought RTA figures would be a lot higher and accept that. I should have checked the data. However, the general point stands that many more people die from respirarory illnesses, sepsis, cancer each year than will die from this virus. What a moronic post. The last sentence shows that you have no grasp of what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Alva-Jambo said: There is a chance to use the window of mid june to mid July to play the remaining matches however no-one knows how to stop the virus returning as soon as we all start going back to work or matches. So it seems very unlikely. We may well be in lockdown for 9 months! To be fair, the Scottish scientist whose company in California are working on a vaccine - I can't remember her name right now - has previously stated that the virus could well disappear in the summer but may return in the winter. She also pointed out it could mutate and disappear altogether...."we might never see it again". The truth is that nobody, scientists included, knows what will happen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, karipidis said: What a moronic post. The last sentence shows that you have no grasp of what is going on. Moronic how?? Banning outdoor exercise would be lunacy on stilts and would have worse repercussions than the virus itself. Feel free to disagree but the idea that there is only one solution to this or one school of thought as to the severity of it is, quite frankly, nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Anyone any idea when the part time medical professors usually disappear from the thread and head back to other media platforms and we get back on topic chatting football on a football forum ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Moronic how?? Banning outdoor exercise would be lunacy on stilts and would have worse repercussions than the virus itself. Feel free to disagree but the idea that there is only one solution to this or one school of thought as to the severity of it is, quite frankly, nonsense. That is what has been done in the likes of Italy and Spain, so you are kidding yourself if you think it isn't an option if people won't obey the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ramrod said: Anyone any idea when the part time medical professors usually disappear from the thread and head back to other media platforms and we get back on topic chatting football on a football forum ? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, jonnothejambo said: I know, mate. Sorry I got a bit tetchy. Totally understandable mate. Me too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Presumably the mods are in self isolation. Nothing else can explain the huge number of posts that have nothing to do with the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Where did I say that I am not conforming. I work from home and stick to the rules . My point is that a long term lockdown is unsustainable and will result in many thousands of people breaking the rules. I would draw the line at a ban on outdoor exercise though. Any attempt by the government to ban that would be lunacy and probably illegal in a liberal democracy.. OK, I thought RTA figures would be a lot higher and accept that. I should have checked the data. However, the general point stands that many more people die from respirarory illnesses, sepsis, cancer each year than will die from this virus. Firstly, you mentioned conformity in a barb so it's logical to assume the writer does not adhere to the same pattern of behaviour as everyone else. I'm glad you are sticking to the rules - we all have to stay the course here. Secondly, RTA deaths are much lower - yet you posted as if a lofty expert which really grinds my gears, the manner in which people claim to be an authority whilst berating others "lack" of knowledge. If that wasn't the intent then I apologize for a robust response. Thirdly, throwing in all the other things that will kill us annually is a strawman fallacy - we already do our best to mitigate these factors and are successfully doing so with things like vaccines, better medications, screening, new therapies and better lifestyle choices. This current pandemic has the capacity to kill off a massive swathe of society on top of the current usual death rate - which will cost society a whole lot more than having to reboot the economy. I don't disagree with the point on attempting to ban exercise in the same way I'm livid at celebrities getting tests when nurses can't, members of the Royal family can flout the rules and that idiotic CMO completing undermining all of her public advice. We have to stay the course here until we plateau or the virus dies off, assuming it does establish a seasonal pattern. Then we can re-assess, hopefully with a vaccine undergoing testing and some of the potential therapies like the anti-flu drug favipiravir have been hopefully proven as effective treatments (anecdotal testing has shown a pattern of reducing viral load an recovery from 11 days down to 4). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Presumably the mods are in self isolation. Nothing else can explain the huge number of posts that have nothing to do with the subject. It’s laughable how this thread has went of topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said: It’s laughable how this thread has went of topic. The worst thing about This thread is the number of posts from people with zero knowledge of virology, yet spout as if they were oracles. Mods please kill this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: It’s laughable how this thread has went of topic. Yup, I was about to make a comment on how Covid19 will lead to a better world. Won't bother now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, maroonsgotop said: so people suggesting we will go back to work before a vaccine is discovered which as a result many thousands will die. Think the numbers were put at 200,000 to 500,000 before the Government back tracked from herd immunity as hospitals would be totally over whelmed and business would have ground to a halt anyway. In other words collateral damage to protect big business. In the World wars mainly young people got killed as cannon fodder now it's the time for auld codgers to make the ultimate sacrifice. You couldn't make up this stuff. No doubt money will be put before people's health Money vs people's health really isn't the issue. A lockdown until a vaccine is available might save lives. It's impact on the world economy could, probably would, cost many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Looks like posters are still determined to show their limited understanding of virology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 There IS only one topic right now. It’s a shadow over literally everything we do right now, 24/7. It’s therefore natural that any discussion will turn the way it has. So, unless you are willing to post your scientific credentials...stop whinging, you tarts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I think this has gone a bit off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: There IS only one topic right now. It’s a shadow over literally everything we do right now, 24/7. It’s therefore natural that any discussion will turn the way it has. So, unless you are willing to post your scientific credentials...stop whinging, you tarts. Most of us aren't interested in a few goons trying to sound knowledgeable and full of their own importance taking a footballing thread miles of topic with their ill informed drivel . There is plenty opportunity on other media platforms or indeed threads in the shed to fuel their egos . I come on specific threads to get information on Hearts and Scottish Foorball in general to get some relief from what's happening not to read ill informed pish . The mods should really be getting on top of it tbh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, ramrod said: Most of us aren't interested in a few goons trying to sound knowledgeable and full of their own importance taking a footballing thread miles of topic with their ill informed drivel . There is plenty opportunity on other media platforms or indeed threads in the shed to fuel their egos . I come on specific threads to get information on Hearts and Scottish Foorball in general to get some relief from what's happening not to read ill informed pish . The mods should really be getting on top of it tbh . This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said: Keeping on Topic, Football will return around September/October But I hope the league is declared null and void, Celtic NOT crowned champions and we stay up. The seethe will be magical. Bonus would be league reconstruction, Sevco going bust, Hibs in serious financial meltdown and all redtop newspapers going completely out of business for life more so the SUN. And FFS back to talking about Brexit!!!! Seriously though Lets just hope though for a return to normality as soon as we can and folk just do the right thing and stay at bleeding home!!! and this will be a shorter nightmare if we do! Football will however be transformed, lets just make it for the better. I will just settle for this website doing something about the constant resizing of adds making the screen unreadable You don’t know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: You don’t know that because it won’t. Scottish football is done for the year. We’ve budgeted for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Scottish football won’t do it but we could finish season behind closed doors latter end of July/early aug. Games could be televised (pay for view) which would restart revenue streams. I know tv contracts are in place but everyone is currently in a lose situation so need to rethink how that could change. Will be able to make an informed decision end of April as covid is due to have peaked mid/end month. However we are talking about the total idiots that run Scottish football so any reasonable option will be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Baxfee said: Scottish football won’t do it but we could finish season behind closed doors latter end of July/early aug. Games could be televised (pay for view) which would restart revenue streams. I know tv contracts are in place but everyone is currently in a lose situation so need to rethink how that could change. Will be able to make an informed decision end of April as covid is due to have peaked mid/end month. However we are talking about the total idiots that run Scottish football so any reasonable option will be ignored. Its a complete non starter. Social distancing will be in place, which means no player could stand within 2 metres of another to start with. Then there is the lack of player insurance, breaking current TV contracts, players out of contract, ..... Pay per view could only ever be internet based as you won't get the likes of Hamilton vs St Mirren on Sky Box Office. Income from that wouldn't cover the wages of the players on the park. Edited April 6, 2020 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 apparently the EPL are in advanced talks with the Government to restart their league in mid June playing games behind closed doors (Daily Mirror claim) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said: apparently the EPL are in advanced talks with the Government to restart their league in mid June playing games behind closed doors (Daily Mirror claim) I hope the government tells them to bolt. Selfish pricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said: apparently the EPL are in advanced talks with the Government to restart their league in mid June playing games behind closed doors (Daily Mirror claim) Sounds nonsense as there is no way that they could do this while we have safe distancing and isolation measures in force, and the players wouldn't be insured. This reeks of desperation from clubs who are desperate for those Sky payment installments to restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its a complete non starter. Social distancing will be in place, which means no player could stand within 2 metres of another to start with. Then there is the lack of player insurance, breaking current TV contracts, players out of contract, ..... Pay per view could only ever be internet based as you won't get the likes of Hamilton vs St Mirren on Sky Box Office. Income from that wouldn't cover the wages of the players on the park. In relation to covid some relaxation of restrictions will be in place. All the other stuff is based on pre-covid world and that’s really my point. We are currently seeing Scottish and uk legislation temporarily changed to get us through this. Contracts, insurance, etc could also be looked at. The driver will, eventually, be money. It always is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Baxfee said: In relation to covid some relaxation of restrictions will be in place. All the other stuff is based on pre-covid world and that’s really my point. We are currently seeing Scottish and uk legislation temporarily changed to get us through this. Contracts, insurance, etc could also be looked at. The driver will, eventually, be money. It always is A contact sport like Football won't meet any social distancing requirements and will fall down if the £300k per week players can't get insurance let alone the 3k players. Edited April 6, 2020 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatlock Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its a complete non starter. Social distancing will be in place, which means no player could stand within 2 metres of another to start with. Then there is the lack of player insurance, breaking current TV contracts, players out of contract, ..... Pay per view could only ever be internet based as you won't get the likes of Hamilton vs St Mirren on Sky Box Office. Income from that wouldn't cover the wages of the players on the park. We should be fine though as our defence has been practicing social distancing all season🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 To make sure they get the money the EPL are looking foolish greedy and disgusting as teams and players looking to carry on as normal Full proof money has indeed fecked the game there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its a complete non starter. Social distancing will be in place, which means no player could stand within 2 metres of another to start with. Many of our players have been social distancing all season anyway so shouldn't be a problem for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 In fairness to the EPL (!) i suspect a lot of businesses are looking at future income and making sure they are maintained. I have friends who work with Universities and Colleges and they are doing everything to make sure students are matriculating on schedule in Aug/Sep, even if it is online, as that keeps the fees rolling in. No way will they postpone the start of the academic year until Oct or consider suspending the entire year. However, UEFA and the EPL are particularly cynical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borders Jambo Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 The desperation on the part of the Scottish red tops to declare Celtic champions is laughable, coupled by their attempts to discredit our Club. I would urge anyone with Hearts leanings to avoid the Sun and the Record, including the online editions despite their clickbait attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansen Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 So the EPL want to televise behind closed doors games so that they dont have to repay a huge chunk of tv money. Imagine that there is a still a lockdown of sorts, vulnerable people still have to stay indoors, and on your tv is some f'ing football players dancing around a field cos they won the league/didnt get relegated. Now imagine that these same players are celebrating after thousands of people have been sick or died, businesses are collapsed/close to collapse and the economy is in bits. Parasites. F them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 51 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said: apparently the EPL are in advanced talks with the Government to restart their league in mid June playing games behind closed doors (Daily Mirror claim) Aye because people are really going to tolerate football being an exception to restrictions they have to adhere to. You only have to look at how the SCMO got slaughtered yesterday to see that’s not happening. Closed doors games will only be backed when everyone else is free to go about their daily business. The government dare not and will not make an exception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: In fairness to the EPL (!) i suspect a lot of businesses are looking at future income and making sure they are maintained. I have friends who work with Universities and Colleges and they are doing everything to make sure students are matriculating on schedule in Aug/Sep, even if it is online, as that keeps the fees rolling in. No way will they postpone the start of the academic year until Oct or consider suspending the entire year. However, UEFA and the EPL are particularly cynical! (Tangent, but... ) I work for UoE, and there’s all kinds of problems arisen from this. We are a relatively small college compared to say social sciences, but financially, academically, and logistically its a nightmare. As it stands we will probably have graduate entry programme (GEP) students (already have a degree in another/related subject), but recruitment of first years is a big headache. Their final school exams probably aren’t going ahead in many cases. That means either going with their prelim results, or attempting to find ways of examining them virtually. Our college is ‘best of the best’ when it comes to student entry requirements, so obviously this could compromise things. I am working from home just now, and I have been asked to think up ways of delivering classes, in a way that would not contravene infection control measures like social distancing. I do a lot of work in imaging, particularly histology imaging, and I’ve created electronic versions of the histology slides that the students use in undergraduate histology practicals, and this could be done from their homes if they download the software necessary to view the files. The problems for putting on classes comes from gross anatomy, and clinical skills, as both of these can’t really be done remotely, for obvious reasons. We were all set to put on clinical skills exams in the next few weeks and that has been halted now. I would normally be examining students on clinical skills, where they have to show their ability to perform ‘first day competencies’, the majority of these practical and cannot be simulated with any accuracy over a video link or via a computer model. The GEP students pay an absolute fortune to study here, and that money props up the whole campus. If they don’t come, we are working with a real deficit. My line manager works with student recruitment and normally flies to Asia about now to recruit from India, China and Singapore etc. That obviously isn’t going to happen now. Students will be recruited, but I don’t think we will see the numbers we normally do, and that will have a big financial impact. The standard of students might not be up to the usual highest standard in a few years time because of this, and you have to wonder if parents will want to pay the sort of fees that they are expected to, if the course is watered down too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, Borders Jambo said: I would urge anyone with Hearts leanings to avoid the Sun and the Record, including the online editions despite their clickbait attempts. It’s only when I come on here that I am aware of anything the Sun or other red tops are saying. I’m always surprised by how many Hearts supporters put money in to a paper that basically slags us and our club off every day. Why anyone would want to prop something like that up is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 15 hours ago, frankblack said: That is what has been done in the likes of Italy and Spain, so you are kidding yourself if you think it isn't an option if people won't obey the rules. Banned in Turkey now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterEgo Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 23 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Interesting games with 2 metre social distancing. There goes the Gegenpress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: (Tangent, but... ) I work for UoE, and there’s all kinds of problems arisen from this. We are a relatively small college compared to say social sciences, but financially, academically, and logistically its a nightmare. As it stands we will probably have graduate entry programme (GEP) students (already have a degree in another/related subject), but recruitment of first years is a big headache. Their final school exams probably aren’t going ahead in many cases. That means either going with their prelim results, or attempting to find ways of examining them virtually. Our college is ‘best of the best’ when it comes to student entry requirements, so obviously this could compromise things. I am working from home just now, and I have been asked to think up ways of delivering classes, in a way that would not contravene infection control measures like social distancing. I do a lot of work in imaging, particularly histology imaging, and I’ve created electronic versions of the histology slides that the students use in undergraduate histology practicals, and this could be done from their homes if they download the software necessary to view the files. The problems for putting on classes comes from gross anatomy, and clinical skills, as both of these can’t really be done remotely, for obvious reasons. We were all set to put on clinical skills exams in the next few weeks and that has been halted now. I would normally be examining students on clinical skills, where they have to show their ability to perform ‘first day competencies’, the majority of these practical and cannot be simulated with any accuracy over a video link or via a computer model. The GEP students pay an absolute fortune to study here, and that money props up the whole campus. If they don’t come, we are working with a real deficit. My line manager works with student recruitment and normally flies to Asia about now to recruit from India, China and Singapore etc. That obviously isn’t going to happen now. Students will be recruited, but I don’t think we will see the numbers we normally do, and that will have a big financial impact. The standard of students might not be up to the usual highest standard in a few years time because of this, and you have to wonder if parents will want to pay the sort of fees that they are expected to, if the course is watered down too much. Cheers for that, very interesting and mirrors what i have heard from elsewhere (Engineering, in particular). I also understand that a lot of the recruitment will be based on anticipated grades so the quality will suffer, not to mention the fact a lot of students are coming from China (obvious issues!) and the States (behind us in the curve and likely to suffer for longer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieG Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: (Tangent, but... ) I work for UoE, and there’s all kinds of problems arisen from this. We are a relatively small college compared to say social sciences, but financially, academically, and logistically its a nightmare. As it stands we will probably have graduate entry programme (GEP) students (already have a degree in another/related subject), but recruitment of first years is a big headache. Their final school exams probably aren’t going ahead in many cases. That means either going with their prelim results, or attempting to find ways of examining them virtually. Our college is ‘best of the best’ when it comes to student entry requirements, so obviously this could compromise things. I am working from home just now, and I have been asked to think up ways of delivering classes, in a way that would not contravene infection control measures like social distancing. I do a lot of work in imaging, particularly histology imaging, and I’ve created electronic versions of the histology slides that the students use in undergraduate histology practicals, and this could be done from their homes if they download the software necessary to view the files. The problems for putting on classes comes from gross anatomy, and clinical skills, as both of these can’t really be done remotely, for obvious reasons. We were all set to put on clinical skills exams in the next few weeks and that has been halted now. I would normally be examining students on clinical skills, where they have to show their ability to perform ‘first day competencies’, the majority of these practical and cannot be simulated with any accuracy over a video link or via a computer model. The GEP students pay an absolute fortune to study here, and that money props up the whole campus. If they don’t come, we are working with a real deficit. My line manager works with student recruitment and normally flies to Asia about now to recruit from India, China and Singapore etc. That obviously isn’t going to happen now. Students will be recruited, but I don’t think we will see the numbers we normally do, and that will have a big financial impact. The standard of students might not be up to the usual highest standard in a few years time because of this, and you have to wonder if parents will want to pay the sort of fees that they are expected to, if the course is watered down too much. Im a bit confused by this. You work for Univ of Edin? You keep mentioning College? There are no final exams for any S5 or S6 students. Prelims are not being used to dictate final grades. Teachers are recommending grades based on coursework over the year and their expectation of grade. SQA will award in most cases what those teachers recommend. They will not be marking any further work or reviewing prelims. I agree about all the issues with GEP and foreign students. They in effect pay for the free education of scottish students, and its why Edinburgh and St Andrews have limited spaces for home grown talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, RonnieG said: Im a bit confused by this. You work for Univ of Edin? You keep mentioning College? There are no final exams for any S5 or S6 students. Prelims are not being used to dictate final grades. Teachers are recommending grades based on coursework over the year and their expectation of grade. SQA will award in most cases what those teachers recommend. They will not be marking any further work or reviewing prelims. I agree about all the issues with GEP and foreign students. They in effect pay for the free education of scottish students, and its why Edinburgh and St Andrews have limited spaces for home grown talent. The University is divided into separate Colleges (Science & Engineering, Medicine etc) As i understood it, it was a mix of prelims and coursework that was being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, RonnieG said: Im a bit confused by this. You work for Univ of Edin? You keep mentioning College? There are no final exams for any S5 or S6 students. Prelims are not being used to dictate final grades. Teachers are recommending grades based on coursework over the year and their expectation of grade. SQA will award in most cases what those teachers recommend. They will not be marking any further work or reviewing prelims. I agree about all the issues with GEP and foreign students. They in effect pay for the free education of scottish students, and its why Edinburgh and St Andrews have limited spaces for home grown talent. College as in faculty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieG Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just now, Nookie Bear said: The University is divided into separate Colleges (Science & Engineering, Medicine etc) As i understood it, it was a mix of prelims and coursework that was being used. Ah gotcha. Prelims are just an early indicator - they haven't completed the course at that point. Teachers have been advised to use coursework as the main guidance towards marks. Most S5s and S6s have already been given an indication from Teachers as to what will be presented. Then the SQA need to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, RonnieG said: Im a bit confused by this. You work for Univ of Edin? You keep mentioning College? There are no final exams for any S5 or S6 students. Prelims are not being used to dictate final grades. Teachers are recommending grades based on coursework over the year and their expectation of grade. SQA will award in most cases what those teachers recommend. They will not be marking any further work or reviewing prelims. I agree about all the issues with GEP and foreign students. They in effect pay for the free education of scottish students, and its why Edinburgh and St Andrews have limited spaces for home grown talent. I work for the College of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine (CMVM), one of the colleges of of the University of Edinburgh. Different high schools in different countries are doing different things. In England for example my Niece doesn’t yet know what they are going to do as far as grades and exams go. They are discussing it at present and may go with the prelim results, or with teacher recommendations. Still undecided as of yesterday. Our college takes on students from all over the world, and different countries have yet to decide what direction they are taking. Not going to go further off topic by getting in to the nuts and bolts of free education for Scottish students, other than to say we have a good proportion of Scottish students at our school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Not going to go further off topic by getting in to the nuts and bolts of free education for Scottish students, other than to say we have a good proportion of Scottish students at our school. So Government funded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said: Not going to go further off topic by getting in to the nuts and bolts of free education for Scottish students 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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