busby1985 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: No more than any other club. Just that we are first to go public re the implications of what’s happening. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are in much better shape than most. Yeah. Can’t believe the reaction on here. We have merely acted before things get bad. I am willing to bet that we will see the end of at least two clubs in Scotland at the end of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combo74 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) Unlike big regulated businesses Football clubs don’t have big financial reserves to act as a buffer, especially not in unprecedented time’s like this. Im not sure what our monthly outlay is in terms of wages and other overheads, but say it’s £250k; over the next 6 months that’s an outlay of £1.5m with no money coming in...we are unlikely to have that sort of cash in the bank and even if we did, we’d be saying we’d be broke by August, if we took no action. It’s basic economics, I’m not sure why fans can’t grasp that. To many, too quick to stick the boot in...as always. AB has her faults, but she is being pragmatic and business minded on this one. Edited March 18, 2020 by combo74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, Martin_T said: It's simple, insolvency occurs when costs exceed income, not necessarily debt in itself. Hearts probably budget for season ticket income in late March/ early April. With uncertainty about income, the choice becomes either take out credit or reduce costs. The players have no where to go at the moment as no other club will recruit them as they are in the same circumstances. Not really. Insolvency comes when you can no longer service the debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I’m not blaming her for anything, well not on this thread. Not sure why you think I am. 🤷🏻♂️ Albeit, I do wonder if hearts are maybe hit a bit harder as we employ a lot of staff directly. Other clubs may contract a lot of their services, making it easy to reduce costs. We won’t be the only club/business facing these issues because of Coronavirus, Sorry didn't make that clear. In agreement with you, using your post to question those who are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jamie86 said: So you think these guys are living paycheck to paycheck as much as the men and women in the store or the ticket office or the admin office? I get what your saying the more you earn the more you spend but I am certain they could look at themselves, the lifestyle they lead and feel they could get by on 2 or 3k a week Not really. People base their lifestyle, the house they buy, the car they buy, and their commitments, on their wage. And that is if you are on £100K a week or £250 a well. Footballers probably should survive, but probably adopt the same philosophy, but someone on £40K a year, dropping to £20K will probably struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjambo1993 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, NB GIN said: 9 million raised by Us and we are the first club in financial turmoil, how badly are we run !! Craig levein And budge have simply been a disaster for this club Honestly can’t believe this **First club to react to an unprecedented situation in order to prevent financial turmoil. But just you bash on with blaming Budge and Levein for a global Pandemic 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, jcjambo81 said: This is why the season has to be null and void . we could be restarting with half the squad we had when it was suspended Almost certainly why she is quick of the mark highlighting the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, kila said: Desperate times. Budge also said fan ownership likely to be delayed so FoH money will help running costs. I am OK with that, especially if high earning players are on a reduced salary. I do not want the lower end employees to get their salary reduced though. Will we see Levein give up his remaining salary being one of the highest earners? Well he is giving up at least 50%, same as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettering jam tart Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Very smart move, even more pressure now to call the league null and void, start selling next seasons season tickets, glad Ann had the foresight to do it first ahead of any other club in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Slightly concerned at how early this has come. I thought others would shoot their bolt before us on this. The world really is ****ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, OTT said: Exactly. Feel for the office staff though, after Vlad this was probably the last thing they expected to experience again. If a few of the wasters in the first team felt so aggrieved then I'd totally understand if they wanted to leave. Added bonus is that saving 100% on their wage would mean the burden on the other staff might be reduced a bit. Don't think the office staff are part of this? Just Players and coaches.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, lsimp77 said: Ann Budge, her family and her helpers have slowly, little by little, ruined our club. We have become a national laughing stock. She will forever be known as the woman who killed Heart Of Midlothian. This is just the beginning unfortunately. With comments like that it’s clear who belongs amongst the laughing stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 A lot of posters in this thread I have never seen post before. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stone1992 said: Aye a disgrace a business is trying to cut costs to survive due to a global pandemic. All we’ve heard about is how good our finances are, how good a business woman she is, how great everything is behind the scenes. All clearly a load of ****ing shite. Cannot believe we’re back at square one after 6 years. Actually I can. Ran like a ****ing circus on and off the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Is this officially a melt down then? Just so i know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, hughesie27 said: Don't think the office staff are part of this? Just Players and coaches.? Office staff are also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Stendelnator said: So much for Budge being a shrewd and canny businesswoman. Taking us into administration quicker than Romanov did. She is not responsible for the virus for fux sake!!!! She is taking hard decisions to prevent administration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Seriously, I don’t see the problem here - other than Celtic all clubs will be doing the same very soon, the sooner we do it the better.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Stendelsarmy said: Step up the mystery benefactor The guy who made his millions on the stock market? He’ll be wishing he hadn’t spunked millions on Hearts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Last Laff said: Office staff are also. Much are they on? I don't think anyone on "normal" money should be asked to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Anyone using this as an opportunity to have a personal pop at AB and co can get so far to ****. Small minded, sexist wankers. Well done Ann on yet again trying to safe guard the long term future of our club. Hopefully we don’t need to do this again under your reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Folks giving it divert FOH funds we are Likely two weeks from now going to be on lockdown in the hoose! As a SE person that’ll be diddy squat coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, kingantti1874 said: Seriously, I don’t see the problem here - other than Celtic all clubs will be doing the same very soon, the sooner we do it the better.. Exactly!! Some idiotic comments on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just discussing on Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Suso Santana said: Levein and MacPhee should be taking 100% wage cuts. Good job we didnt pay them full whack to eff off last October. Small £10ks saving if they accept the reduction. Edited March 18, 2020 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Awaiting a statement from Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone1992 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Morph said: All we’ve heard about is how good our finances are, how good a business woman she is, how great everything is behind the scenes. All clearly a load of ****ing shite. Cannot believe we’re back at square one after 6 years. Actually I can. Ran like a ****ing circus on and off the park. I don’t know what planet you live on but business don’t sit with enough cash to cover what could be 3/4 months of cost with no income. Our finances were good. How was beige supposed to account for this and prepare our finances accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Vlad Magic said: Awaiting a statement from Hibs. Hopefully they burn all their cash reserves just to try and show us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Lager Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Yes Levein is the root cause of this right enough... Correct go to the top of the class. Who would have thought squandering millions on terrible players would come back to haunt us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Getting the kitty ready for a legal team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Sad but sensible decision. This is a great thread for outing all the stupid ***** on here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The club budgeted £9m for wages in the current financial year. That is £750k a month or £173k a week, so you can see the level of cuts being proposed. We didn't get much value for the £9m did we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birregrande Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Baxfee said: Arseholes on this thread. 48 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: Some laughable comments on this thread. Hearts 'supporters' aye? Suppose it explains the poll on the relegation thread. This thread is stinking with them. Some Hearts fans even responding to them. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said: Awaiting a statement from Hibs. Beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellion Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Lots of clubs will have to do the same thing, and realistically, a lot of the players will have to seriously consider this. They’re not finding alternative employment elsewhere anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Legend Claws said: People tend to live by their means. If you earn 5k a week, your financial commitments likely reflect that. It's all relative. Yes, if they care, they should accept the 50%, but volunteering to do it en-masse? No. I get its relative but this is for a period of 5-6 months where we are asking them to take a pay cut. I get it if we ask them to continue to live the rest of their lives on the lower amount but we aren't so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 People are frustrated because we've wasted so much money over the last 5 years but hindsight is a wonderful thing and nobody could have foreseen these circumstances. Feel for the office staff and it will be interesting to see if it leaks out which (if any) players refuse the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Hibs.net is loving this. Maybe we shouldn't have made an official statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Happy to chip in to a fund for non playing staff who may need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Hope some of the comments on here are from young ones cos if its adults..... oh jee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I think it was a brilliant statement. We ask for transparency and we get it and it’s just very careful planning. Well done Ann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Suso Santana said: Hibs.net is loving this. Maybe we shouldn't have made an official statement... Aye, that’s what matters here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Special Officer Doofy said: Happy to chip in to a fund for non playing staff who may need it. You're feckin made of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Well done Ann Budge - Showing how to make decisive decisions (in this respect at least). Other clubs will surely do the same to save themselves. This is no different from Sturgeon showing Boris how to lead a country...(and I'm not SNP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, NB GIN said: 9 million raised by Us and we are the first club in financial turmoil, how badly are we run !! Craig levein And budge have simply been a disaster for this club Honestly can’t believe this If you honestly believe we are the first, and only, club, in financial turmoil you really shouldn’t post on this subject. A different way of putting it is we are the first to publicise the financial crisis in football and the first to come up with an action plan to respond to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 There are many things to criticise Ann Budge for in the last couple of years. This isn't one of them. Now, she can move on and finish that review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Paolo said: Not really. People base their lifestyle, the house they buy, the car they buy, and their commitments, on their wage. And that is if you are on £100K a week or £250 a well. Footballers probably should survive, but probably adopt the same philosophy, but someone on £40K a year, dropping to £20K will probably struggle. Yes if they continue to life the live the did at 40k when on 20k for the rest of time. We are asking they take a reduced pay for around 6 months, I'm sure they could survive on a few thousand a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jamie86 said: So you think these guys are living paycheck to paycheck as much as the men and women in the store or the ticket office or the admin office? I get what your saying the more you earn the more you spend but I am certain they could look at themselves, the lifestyle they lead and feel they could get by on 2 or 3k a week No of course not. It’s only fair the club applies this to all employees if it avoids redundancies. That’s easier said than done your last point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 How many people in the hospitality and entertainment industry have no jobs this morning because they are in the main closed for the forceable future. My son is in the tourist industry and now has no wage coming in from his employer as no tourists now business. sone people need a reality check up the others are just trollers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Special Officer Doofy said: Aye, that’s what matters here. Aye a know but who can be arsed with all the attention and folk coming up with administration conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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