soonbe110 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Debut 4 said: I think he meant you lose the backing of the support. Not numbers forever. Is there a difference? I don’t think you can lose either forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Johnny Sandiego said: The reality is you're on a Hearts fans forum trying to stir up unrest and slate fans for backing the team. The reality is season ticket sales are going very well considering the league performance last season. The reality is if we are playing Aberdeen at Pitodrie on a Friday night, while on TV, 2 games before a cup final, the crowd will be lower than what you get on a Saturday afternoon. Same goes for Parkhead last game of the season I don't think you understand what reality really is. This guy is Hibs 100% , why he hasn't been launched is a mystery, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Last time he was here we had some great away days eg Bordeaux and Braga. Were you there? He was at home playing with his toy soldiers. Remember the song sung in November sunshine in Bordeaux? Something about the weather in Leith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, The Mercer Takeover said: How very selective of you. "The Levein Effect"? Is that when a guy returns to the club at the lowest point in our history and within 2 years has contributed to us being back in Europe? I will 100% acknowledge this and you are bang on the money. How about some reality here though. We are not in Europe now and we weren't in Europe last season either. Unless my memory is failing me, we actually just finished 6th. Those of us who actually went to the games, will remember the incessant booing, people streaming out of the stadium with 10 or 20 minutes to go, even leaving at half-time. Away games were even worse for those who actually bothered attending and I can assure you there were not too many left at the end of the season after Levein effectively destroyed our REGULAR travelling support. Less than 100 turned up at Celtic Park. The travelling support to Aberdeen the week before was the lowest there in my lifetime. I'm really surprised this collapse in travelling support hasn't become a bigger issue with our fans, but I suspect it just shows how out of touch many on JKB actually are from what is actually going on at games. Levein is a paid employee of Hearts and he is handsomely rewarded for it he is not irreplaceable. Experienced managers are 10 a penny, some have even won things. I'm still hoping Levein, the former footballing legend but now serial loser and managerial charlatan, will either step down or be removed before the season starts, but this is now looking very unlikely. Three is a definite dead man walking feeing about him though now. Once you lose the support you don't ever get them back and the next time we lose two or three games in a row, the clamour to remove this man from Tynecastle will be a sight to see. As for renewing a ST after some shocking managers in the past, it wasn't that hard at all. Tommy McLean 's record was very similar to Levein's last season and he also played some of the most negative football I can ever remember. There was a fundamental difference though, he was removed from the club for incompetence before the next season started to encourage people to renew. Accountability like this is something that seems to be sadly lacking these days. How succinct and eloquently written, it must have taken hours of your valuable time, that you will never get back, to compose this wind up. Meanwhile, others have a life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Is there a difference? I don’t think you can lose either forever. Point is, the support loses faith short term. You don’t necessarily lose the numbers. People don’t turn their backs on the club forever based on a poor season. The constant can still attend games but not be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Point is, the support loses faith short term. You don’t necessarily lose the numbers. People don’t turn their backs on the club forever based on a poor season. The constant can still attend games but not be happy. The support loses faith if we lose the first goal after five minutes. It returns when we equalise after 10 mins. Supporters faith/attitude at games and during a season is a huge rollercoaster driven by results mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 And now for the bad news.......... It seems as the oddity that we saw with the count for Section T last night has been rectified with the count going back up to something more in keeping with the sales progression we saw previously. I've counted the section at 249 (84+64+101), 11 up on yesterday. Indeed sales appear flat elsewhere in the stadium with sections going up or down by one or two. The overall position is that the dot count is back at 3,975, or 9 up on my count yesterday. Estimated sales 11,697 Club sales(?) 11,922 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Heartsofgold said: What utter horseshit!!! It's not even that good. Horse shit has it's uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: And now for the bad news.......... It seems as the oddity that we saw with the count for Section T last night has been rectified with the count going back up to something more in keeping with the sales progression we saw previously. I've counted the section at 249 (84+64+101), 11 up on yesterday. Indeed sales appear flat elsewhere in the stadium with sections going up or down by one or two. The overall position is that the dot count is back at 3,975, or 9 up on my count yesterday. Estimated sales 11,697 Club sales(?) 11,922 Getting ever closer to the 12.000 mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: And now for the bad news.......... It seems as the oddity that we saw with the count for Section T last night has been rectified with the count going back up to something more in keeping with the sales progression we saw previously. I've counted the section at 249 (84+64+101), 11 up on yesterday. Indeed sales appear flat elsewhere in the stadium with sections going up or down by one or two. The overall position is that the dot count is back at 3,975, or 9 up on my count yesterday. Estimated sales 11,697 Club sales(?) 11,922 One thing I feel the club need to do is deal with the single seat situation. Lots of single seats about. Must put folk off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said: You're going out-out? Yip, before zee German's get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 hours ago, karipidis said: I am quite firmly in the Levein out camp but do not think it is anywhere near bad enough not to renew, just feel we can be doing even better than we are but hope he proves me wrong this season. However, this is a superb post, rightfully calling out people who aren’t renewing because of Levein. Times change and although I renewed I won’t slag anyone off for not renewing. All Levein can do is get it right on the pitch because walk-ups will be very important for our finances. Let’s hope Levein gets the team playing attractive, attacking, winning football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mitch41 said: Times change and although I renewed I won’t slag anyone off for not renewing. All Levein can do is get it right on the pitch because walk-ups will be very important for our finances. Let’s hope Levein gets the team playing attractive, attacking, winning football. You can get away with shite football if Ur winning it's when the chips are down and u need to change something and nothing changes is the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: One thing I feel the club need to do is deal with the single seat situation. Lots of single seats about. Must put folk off. Mentioned that last year. Melbourne City (and indeed most cinemas) stop you buying the middle seat when 3 free seats are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatfieldWarrior Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, The Mercer Takeover said: How very selective of you. "The Levein Effect"? Is that when a guy returns to the club at the lowest point in our history and within 2 years has contributed to us being back in Europe? I will 100% acknowledge this and you are bang on the money. How about some reality here though. We are not in Europe now and we weren't in Europe last season either. Unless my memory is failing me, we actually just finished 6th. Those of us who actually went to the games, will remember the incessant booing, people streaming out of the stadium with 10 or 20 minutes to go, even leaving at half-time. Away games were even worse for those who actually bothered attending and I can assure you there were not too many left at the end of the season after Levein effectively destroyed our REGULAR travelling support. Less than 100 turned up at Celtic Park. The travelling support to Aberdeen the week before was the lowest there in my lifetime. I'm really surprised this collapse in travelling support hasn't become a bigger issue with our fans, but I suspect it just shows how out of touch many on JKB actually are from what is actually going on at games. Levein is a paid employee of Hearts and he is handsomely rewarded for it he is not irreplaceable. Experienced managers are 10 a penny, some have even won things. I'm still hoping Levein, the former footballing legend but now serial loser and managerial charlatan, will either step down or be removed before the season starts, but this is now looking very unlikely. Three is a definite dead man walking feeing about him though now. Once you lose the support you don't ever get them back and the next time we lose two or three games in a row, the clamour to remove this man from Tynecastle will be a sight to see. As for renewing a ST after some shocking managers in the past, it wasn't that hard at all. Tommy McLean 's record was very similar to Levein's last season and he also played some of the most negative football I can ever remember. There was a fundamental difference though, he was removed from the club for incompetence before the next season started to encourage people to renew. Accountability like this is something that seems to be sadly lacking these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Mentioned that last year. Melbourne City (and indeed most cinemas) stop you buying the middle seat when 3 free seats are available. Makes sense. Costing us money, looking about there are hardly any pairs together, neve r mind 3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Terrible sales so far and can't see a huge surge. Will it be noticed? Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Terrible sales so far and can't see a huge surge. Will it be noticed? Doubt it. @Enzo Chiefo is already playing this role in the play I8. Only parts left are a tree, or in the choir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Icon of Symmetry said: @Enzo Chiefo is already playing this role in the play I8. Only parts left are a tree, or in the choir. What about the class nerd who opens and shuts the curtain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Just now, i8hibsh said: What about the class nerd who opens and shuts the curtain? He’s on dot counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Icon of Symmetry said: He’s on dot counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Terrible sales so far and can't see a huge surge. Will it be noticed? Doubt it. terrible /ˈtɛrɪb(ə)l/ Learn to pronounce adjective 1. extremely bad or serious. "a terrible crime" synonyms:dreadful, awful, appalling, horrific, horrifying, horrible, horrendous, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, frightful, fearful, shocking, hideous, ghastly, grim, dire, hateful, unspeakable, gruesome, monstrous, sickening, heinous, vile; More 2. causing or likely to cause terror; sinister. "the stranger gave a terrible smile" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 19 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said: It would require a much terser makeover to successfully pull that one off, I think. oooo. that's good, Rebverend Spooner. I struggle to keep up with the various forms of reincarnation that occur on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: terrible /ˈtɛrɪb(ə)l/ Learn to pronounce adjective 1. extremely bad or serious. "a terrible crime" synonyms:dreadful, awful, appalling, horrific, horrifying, horrible, horrendous, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, frightful, fearful, shocking, hideous, ghastly, grim, dire, hateful, unspeakable, gruesome, monstrous, sickening, heinous, vile; More 2. causing or likely to cause terror; sinister. "the stranger gave a terrible smile" Well when you put it like that...it's not so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, i8hibsh said: That's nothing. Have you seen our new Team Bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Folk still desperately clinging onto the idea that sales are going to be massively down? We have two pay days and 3-5 new players arriving before the start of the season. We will be between 13-14k, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: Folk still desperately clinging onto the idea that sales are going to be massively down? We have two pay days and 3-5 new players arriving before the start of the season. We will be between 13-14k, again. Why are you so confident that there are people sitting on their hands waiting to buy? I think you are overestimating as badly as I underestimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 22 hours ago, The Mercer Takeover said: Those of us who actually went to the games, will remember the incessant booing, people streaming out of the stadium with 10 or 20 minutes to go, even leaving at half-time. I mentioned that but some clown said it was fake news. Like you I think a lot of those who post the most hardly ever go to games or are possibly feeble minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Why are you so confident that there are people sitting on their hands waiting to buy? I think you are overestimating as badly as I underestimated. This probably isn't his first close season being a jambo, so he's seen that it's what happens, and he's not got a reason to just choose to ignore the past as it doesn't suit him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Prof said: Like you I think a lot of those who post the most hardly ever go to games or are possibly feeble minded. Not a very nice thing to say about TMT. Better watch he doesn't report you for abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftie Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Is anybody else still waiting on their season ticket. Our seats got re-numbered in the Main stand, so not sure if they have still to be sent out, or whether weve been missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, daftie said: Is anybody else still waiting on their season ticket. Our seats got re-numbered in the Main stand, so not sure if they have still to be sent out, or whether weve been missed. only got my renumbered one a few days ago (they didn't tell all of us, but had moved our seats) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Why are you so confident that there are people sitting on their hands waiting to buy? I think you are overestimating as badly as I underestimated. So what’s your new prediction? We’re not far away from 12k. I’m only predicting an extra 1-2k of sales over around six weeks. You’re presumably predicting less than 1k? I’m pretty sure that prediction will be shown up as quickly as your last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: So what’s your new prediction? We’re not far away from 12k. I’m only predicting an extra 1-2k of sales over around six weeks. You’re presumably predicting less than 1k? I’m pretty sure that prediction will be shown up as quickly as your last. Given the speed at which they are selling, according to the dot counters, I'd say 12,600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given the speed at which they are selling, according to the dot counters, I'd say 12,600. I think I guessed at 12,875 a couple of weeeks ago. I'd revise that upward now to 13,000 by the time single tickets go on sale. 13,250 by first day of season (though we wont know how many then as dot counts not possible0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2205ian Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Why are you so confident that there are people sitting on their hands waiting to buy? I think you are overestimating as badly as I underestimated. There is no incentive on a personal basis to shell out £500 prior to the 1st League game apart from keeping/selecting a seat in the stadium**. On the other hand it helps financial decision makers at the club if fans buy earlier than the above. There are still 2 monthly pay days still left to encourage additional ST sales. Another important factor will be the announcement of new signings & their perceived quality with a lesser factor being a good start to the season via 4 wins in League Cup. **Anyone renewing early also had the chance to buy "prime seats" for the 2 League Cup home matches PS. I'm one of the 11500+ dafties who has already renewed Edited June 20, 2019 by 2205ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given the speed at which they are selling, according to the dot counters, I'd say 12,600. So, you don't think "pay days/ weeks" and signing of new players will give it a boost? Time will tell I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given the speed at which they are selling, according to the dot counters, I'd say 12,600. The speed varies though, because of various factors already mentioned - signings, paydays etc. Personally I usually get mine nearer the last minute (I'm sure this is quite common) as I don't see the point in spending money before I have to (although this year I have stupidly bought already!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, scott herbertson said: I think I guessed at 12,875 a couple of weeeks ago. I'd revise that upward now to 13,000 by the time single tickets go on sale. 13,250 by first day of season (though we wont know how many then as dot counts not possible0 Amazing figures really when you think this exceeds or equals our average crowds in many seasons during my time as fan 1970 onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 So many posters willing us to be down on numbers, Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: So many posters willing us to be down on numbers, Tragic. Not Hearts fans though in the majority of cases. The down side of social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: So many posters willing us to be down on numbers, Tragic. No one is "willing" anything. Stop talking pish Tosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given the speed at which they are selling, according to the dot counters, I'd say 12,600. Are we averaging only 16 sales a day? Even if we are we will see some form of surge on pay days and signings. We will also have a number of folk kidding themselves on that they won’t get a season ticket. Fixtures come out. Wife starts suggesting DIY & Shopping trips. Tynecastle it is ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: Are we averaging only 16 sales a day? Even if we are we will see some form of surge on pay days and signings. We will also have a number of folk kidding themselves on that they won’t get a season ticket. Fixtures come out. Wife starts suggesting DIY & Shopping trips. Tynecastle it is ... Potentially. I know I've not had a season ticket for quite a while but I've never got the thinking of waiting till the last minute. Perhaps that is because I built the cost into the home budget. Ho hum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said: No one is "willing" anything. Stop talking pish Tosh. Keep pretending. Folk are drooling at the thought of numbers being down and then blaming CL. Thankfully numbers will be strong-again, showing that most of us are Hearts fans first and support the club no matter what. Fair weather supporters are in every support, only get behind the team when winning. A sixth place finish maybe too hard to stomach for the few fient hearted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Are we averaging only 16 sales a day? Even if we are we will see some form of surge on pay days and signings. We will also have a number of folk kidding themselves on that they won’t get a season ticket. Fixtures come out. Wife starts suggesting DIY & Shopping trips. Tynecastle it is ... He knows this, he's just hoping numbers are low, like others to prove a point about fans being fed up with CL. Thankfully, we are a Hardy bunch and ready to go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said: That's nothing. Have you seen our new Team Bus? I laugh but I know its coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: He knows this, he's just hoping numbers are low, like others to prove a point about fans being fed up with CL. Thankfully, we are a Hardy bunch and ready to go again. No, no I'm not. Stop projecting pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: No, no I'm not. Stop projecting pish. I'm not projecting. I've taken the general feeling of your posts across various threads, your content, your feelings towards CL and came to a personal conclusion. I may ofc be wrong, but your continued negative drivel leads me down that path. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: I'm not projecting. I've taken the general feeling of your posts across various threads, your content, your feelings towards CL and came to a personal conclusion. I may ofc be wrong, but your continued negative drivel leads me down that path. ? Why is it negative drivel? Because it’s a difference of opinion to yourself and your blind faith drivel I’m guessing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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