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4 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

So far, you were spot on. But at least Biden's not mean on Twitter :rolleyes:

 

So you're not in favour of rejoining the Paris Accord? Or the program to provide a way forward for undocumented immigrants? Or allowing transgender troops to serve in the armed forces. Or protecting areas in Alaska from drilling etc.? Or any of his actions aiming to reverse Trump's damage?

 

Oh aye, the other poster was spot on. Biden's no better than Trump all right. :rolleyes:

 

I don't understand it, Justin. You're an intelligent guy, you are obviously left-leaning which to me at least is a good thing, but you still won't give credit where it is due. Is it a case of if Biden doesn't do exactly what you personally want him to, nothing else matters?

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4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

I don't understand it, Justin. You're an intelligent guy, you are obviously left-leaning which to me at least is a good thing, but you still won't give credit where it is due. Is it a case of if Biden doesn't do exactly what you personally want him to, nothing else matters?

 

I appreciate that redjambo. But no, it has very little to do with what I want Biden to do, and what needs to be done for the sake of people in need. Let me try to explain:

 

- A neoliberal, capitalist solution like the Paris Agreement is essentially meaningless. Is it good the US rejoined it? I guess, in the broad context that Earth might become unlivable a few years later than otherwise. I fail to see why I'm supposed to be celebrating this at all.

 

- Biden's program for "a way forward" for immigrants is trash. He promised to end "Remain in Mexico" on day one and walked that back before he even got elected. He's just reopened a concentration camp for migrant children.

 

- Yay Alaska. Yay oil drilling everywhere.

 

- Biden has provided significantly less relief to millions of desperate people—i.e. ****ing zero—than Trump did. And Trump was all over getting $2,000 out to people in December. It doesn't matter that he was completely bonkers, or was about to railroad Republicans to do it. Biden promised "$2,000 checks out the door immediately" if the Dems won Georgia, and he's done **** all in a month—after walking the figure back to $1,400.

 

You're right though, I was premature in calling Jeffros' post spot on. He didn't go far enough—he only claimed Biden would be "no better than" Trump. Many, many millions of people would have received funds and would be better off under Trump term 2 so far. Congratulations, the Biden administration.

 

Electoralism in the United States, as a concept, is completely dead. Biden "reversing Trump's damage" is at best temporary. At its worst, it cons a lot of folk into convincing themselves things are getting better and therefore it's fine to relax and go back to prosecco brunches.

 

Hopefully that mostly explains things?

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5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

I appreciate that redjambo. But no, it has very little to do with what I want Biden to do, and what needs to be done for the sake of people in need. Let me try to explain:

 

- A neoliberal, capitalist solution like the Paris Agreement is essentially meaningless. Is it good the US rejoined it? I guess, in the broad context that Earth might become unlivable a few years later than otherwise. I fail to see why I'm supposed to be celebrating this at all.

 

- Biden's program for "a way forward" for immigrants is trash. He promised to end "Remain in Mexico" on day one and walked that back before he even got elected. He's just reopened a concentration camp for migrant children.

 

- Yay Alaska. Yay oil drilling everywhere.

 

- Biden has provided significantly less relief to millions of desperate people—i.e. ****ing zero—than Trump did. And Trump was all over getting $2,000 out to people in December. It doesn't matter that he was completely bonkers, or was about to railroad Republicans to do it. Biden promised "$2,000 checks out the door immediately" if the Dems won Georgia, and he's done **** all in a month—after walking the figure back to $1,400.

 

You're right though, I was premature in calling Jeffros' post spot on. He didn't go far enough—he only claimed Biden would be "no better than" Trump. Many, many millions of people would have received funds and would be better off under Trump term 2 so far. Congratulations, the Biden administration.

 

Electoralism in the United States, as a concept, is completely dead. Biden "reversing Trump's damage" is at best temporary. At its worst, it cons a lot of folk into convincing themselves things are getting better and therefore it's fine to relax and go back to prosecco brunches.

 

Hopefully that mostly explains things?

 

Yes. Thanks for explaining your position.

 

So how do you think you can effect change?

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2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes. Thanks for explaining your position.

 

So how do you think you can effect change?

 

Storm the Capitol.  (sorry) 😭

 

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13 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes. Thanks for explaining your position.

 

So how do you think you can effect change?

I presume he cant as he no longer lives in the states. I dont think he could do much if he lived there either.

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Just now, John Findlay said:

I presume he cant as he no longer lives in the states. I dont he could do much if he lived there either.

 

Fair point. I should have asked "How do you think change can be effected?" :)

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

Yes. Thanks for explaining your position.

 

So how do you think you can effect change?

 

I don't, whether we're talking about on an individual or society-wide level, electorally speaking. I think incrementalism is now impossible, and revolution is the only path left. Else ruin.

 

12 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

Storm the Capitol.  (sorry) 😭

 

:lol:

 

7 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I presume he cant as he no longer lives in the states. I dont think he could do much if he lived there either.

 

Well played!

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US imperialism and the military industrial complex is okay when it's a Democratic president because __________

 

Austerity is okay when it's a Democratic government because __________

 

 

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2 hours ago, Justin Z said:

@redjambo I've posted this guy in this thread before. He puts it far better than I ever could.

 

 

Strong words and entirely correct .

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29 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Strong words and entirely correct .

 

Agreed. It's nothing we haven't been saying for years.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Justin Z said:

@redjambo I've posted this guy in this thread before. He puts it far better than I ever could.

 

 

 

Pink bombs??  WTF is he talking about?  It looks like he can't make his point without hyperbole.

 

Biden might turn out to be the worst president ever, let's wait and see.  He's been prez for one month in a 48 month term.  imo, it's a wee bit too soon to be crying that nothing has changed. That's like complaining that nothing has changed under a new manager after one game in a 48 game season.

 

 

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On 23/02/2021 at 14:16, Sharpie said:

  Somebody had to do something the other guy the loser done nothing for a period after he lost and refused to accept that. 

 

I'd love someone to do a parody of Donald where's yer troosers - Donald is a loser

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Just now, Smithee said:

All the lassies say No no! Donald is a loser

You'll be on the next series of The Masked Singer with that Smithee!

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3 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Pink bombs??  WTF is he talking about?  It looks like he can't make his point without hyperbole.

 

Biden might turn out to be the worst president ever, let's wait and see.  He's been prez for one month in a 48 month term.  imo, it's a wee bit too soon to be crying that nothing has changed. That's like complaining that nothing has changed under a new manager after one game in a 48 game season.

 

He's talking about the empty hypocrisy of Democratic performative identity politics.

 

Hyperbole or otherwise, he's pretty justifiably pissed off seeing as he is Syrian himself.

 

Biden managed to put hundreds of millions of dollars into Raytheon and bomb Syria before getting a minimum wage increase passed, reducing student loan debt, or getting stimulus checks out. If the new manager came in and implemented exactly the same training techniques and tactics on the pitch, there'd be nothing wrong with such a complaint. Not to mention it's like he's basically replaced a manager where everyone complained about hoofball (increased bombing in Iraq and Syria) and he's instructed his players no passes under 35 yards (even worse bombing at this rate).

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16 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You'll be on the next series of The Masked Singer with that Smithee!

God help us all mate!

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Republican filibuster is what is delaying the $15 wage.

 

But don't let facts get in the way of painting Biden as the bad guy.

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JZ still greeting about Bernie no getting the keys of the big hoose, so he could bankrupt the whole USA while the workshy eat shrimps from Bernie's blank chequeathon. 

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4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

JZ still greeting about Bernie no getting the keys of the big hoose, so he could bankrupt the whole USA while the workshy eat shrimps from Bernie's blank chequeathon. 

 

The work gregarious are way more numerous, and that would be who Bernie had in mind.

How many of the "workshy" do you think exist back home and have been abusing the system since its inception.

There will always be them, but that was never the intention of the welfare system, as you well know.

 

Bernie rules! Or would have for me. 

 

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2 hours ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

 

The work gregarious are way more numerous, and that would be who Bernie had in mind.

How many of the "workshy" do you think exist back home and have been abusing the system since its inception.

There will always be them, but that was never the intention of the welfare system, as you well know.

 

Bernie rules! Or would have for me. 

 

:D

 

I like Bernie, but he'd **** every thing right up. 

I was only kidding about the workshy, BTW. Help is needed, but Ffs. Do it with right policies,proper taxation, not some far left shite that always fails. You can't tax and tax and tax, you'll end up with nothing to tax. 

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12 hours ago, Cade said:

Republican filibuster is what is delaying the $15 wage.

 

But don't let facts get in the way of painting Biden as the bad guy.

 

The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled the minimum wage increase cannot be in the Covid relief package. Biden has shrugged and said "oh well, guess we can't do it", but in actual fact, the Presiding Officer of the Senate may overrule the Parliamentarian anytime she wishes.

 

The Presiding Officer is the Vice President.

 

This is a choice, and it is Biden's and his administration's choice.

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5 hours ago, J.T.F.Robertson said:

Bernie rules! Or would have for me.

 

Yeah, me too. Bit weird to be talking about him though, since I never mentioned him, and since he has nothing to do with Biden's breaking of numerous campaign promises in the first month of his presidency.

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May be an image of aeroplane, sky and text that says "I have this radical lefty belief that we shouldn't spend $1 700,000,000,000 on a failed F-35 fighter jet program when 94% of public school teachers are forced to spend their own money mone on school supplies. Robert Reich"

 

This is a deeper structural problem than Joe Biden, and there's not much he could've done up to now, although his decision to give a shit ton of money to Raytheon before taking care of US citizens who are going hungry likely means it'll not change under him.

 

Either way, it makes a complete mockery of the hare-brained idea that folks who are against the military industrial complex, corporate welfare and the rule of the oligarchy just want to tax everything into oblivion—a truly smooth-brained, reactionary, ignorant take. The F-35 is the actual kind of blank check (and there are scores of them) that have basically already bankrupted the USA.

 

...While children still go hungry and teachers pay for their own ****ing school supplies.

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The remedy to all the problems is so clear. On Sunday the great man will give his speech at CPAC, the Republicans  will kneel in his presence and kiss his ring, (in my low class habitat ring is often used to replace anus) he will repeat his claims of a stolen election, he will again incite violence, and he will again be lauded for doing so. When it does happen he will again be castigated by some of his Republican followers only to receive  an ensuing crescendo of praise for his leadership and forethought, the cry will be something like "on with the Revolution" the people have spoken. The United States of America, such has not been seen for any major Country since the 1930's, the 6th January was an exhibition game , the strategies are now complete, the numbers available of players determined, the only missing component for a pseudo league and cup winning team is the actual day and venue of the big match, Sunday may give a clue. This thread with its new title may go down in history as the last time Joe Biden was honored in any way for achieving the temporary position of President.

Of course this whole post is a litany of fantasy and should be read as such 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled the minimum wage increase cannot be in the Covid relief package. Biden has shrugged and said "oh well, guess we can't do it", but in actual fact, the Presiding Officer of the Senate may overrule the Parliamentarian anytime she wishes.

 

The Presiding Officer is the Vice President.

 

This is a choice, and it is Biden's and his administration's choice.

Over to you Cade.

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18 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Over to you Cade.

 

Or not I guess 🤷‍♂️

 

Meanwhile the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference's stage was designed in the shape of a rune that was an integral part of SS symbology.

 

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They have of course come out and said that it's just a coincidence.

 

May be an image of 2 people and text that says "Zack Bornstein @ZackBornstein CPAc accidentally making their stage the shape of a Nazi symbol"

 

:lol:

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2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Or not I guess 🤷‍♂️

 

Meanwhile the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference's stage was designed in the shape of a rune that was an integral part of SS symbology.

 

Image

 

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They have of course come out and said that it's just a coincidence.

 

May be an image of 2 people and text that says "Zack Bornstein @ZackBornstein CPAc accidentally making their stage the shape of a Nazi symbol"

 

:lol:

:lol:

 

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51 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Or not I guess 🤷‍♂️

 

Meanwhile the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference's stage was designed in the shape of a rune that was an integral part of SS symbology.

 

Image

 

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They have of course come out and said that it's just a coincidence.

 

May be an image of 2 people and text that says "Zack Bornstein @ZackBornstein CPAc accidentally making their stage the shape of a Nazi symbol"

 

:lol:

I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt with that. 

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1 hour ago, Norm said:

I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt with that. 

 Well there is no doubt about the golden statue of Trump that is part of the decor. Watch his speech tonight it will be a stunner, when he announces himself and is accepted as the head of the Republican Party.

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9 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 Well there is no doubt about the golden statue of Trump that is part of the decor. Watch his speech tonight it will be a stunner, when he announces himself and is accepted as the head of the Republican Party.

Some muppet got interviewed and they said he would be President next month. 

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53 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Some muppet got interviewed and they said he would be President next month. 

 

Saw some of the delegates interviewed yesterday and that is a common theme, there was something and I missed it about 4 March being an important date, and that will be discussed or claimed for in the meetings. The problem I  personally have is that the claims are so stupid and outlandish that it all seems like as big tv comedy and the seriousness will not quite hit us all until it's too late. People like MacConnell criticise Trump then kiss his ass and back him for another term as President, I will be listening to Trump when he makes his speech today, it will be aimed I am sure at his MAGA followers, and I am sure if listened to carefully will be frightening. Like they say "its not over 'til it"s over."

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12 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 

Saw some of the delegates interviewed yesterday and that is a common theme, there was something and I missed it about 4 March being an important date, and that will be discussed or claimed for in the meetings. The problem I  personally have is that the claims are so stupid and outlandish that it all seems like as big tv comedy and the seriousness will not quite hit us all until it's too late. People like MacConnell criticise Trump then kiss his ass and back him for another term as President, I will be listening to Trump when he makes his speech today, it will be aimed I am sure at his MAGA followers, and I am sure if listened to carefully will be frightening. Like they say "its not over 'til it"s over."

I agree especially the bit about a big tv comedy.

A lot of disturbed people there.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sharpie said:

 Well there is no doubt about the golden statue of Trump that is part of the decor. Watch his speech tonight it will be a stunner, when he announces himself and is accepted as the head of the Republican Party.

 

I would rather stick toothpicks in my eyes than watch the Fuhrer's speech to CPAC.

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1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I would rather stick toothpicks in my eyes than watch the Fuhrer's speech to CPAC.

The Nuremberg Rallies did spring to my mind.

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2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I would rather stick toothpicks in my eyes than watch the Fuhrer's speech to CPAC.

 Having spent thirty six years of my life listening to raving people I would rather be armed with the direct knowledge of their statement than the opinions of others pro or con. I am a believer in the adage words matter.

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1 hour ago, Sharpie said:

I am a believer in the adage words matter.

 

:spoton:

 

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On 23/02/2021 at 17:01, redjambo said:

 

Yes. Thanks for explaining your position.

 

So how do you think you can effect change?


Abandoning the belief that being left leaning gives anyone moral superiority would be a start. 

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1 minute ago, Des Lynam said:


Abandoning the belief that being left leaning gives anyone moral superiority would be a start. 

 

I didn't say that. :) However, I personally do prefer folk who have empathy for those outside their circle of friends and family, and also those who care about the environment and the animal kingdom, and during my time on this planet I have noticed that there are significantly more of these folk on the "left" than on the "right". You no doubt disagree and you're more than welcome to.

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32 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:


Abandoning the belief that being left leaning gives anyone moral superiority would be a start. 

 

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32 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I didn't say that. :) However, I personally do prefer folk who have empathy for those outside their circle of friends and family, and also those who care about the environment and the animal kingdom, and during my time on this planet I have noticed that there are significantly more of these folk on the "left" than on the "right". You no doubt disagree and you're more than welcome to.

 

This is my experience also, but both propositions can be equally true, red. There is no law of mutual exclusivity where morality is concerned.

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38 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I didn't say that. :) However, I personally do prefer folk who have empathy for those outside their circle of friends and family, and also those who care about the environment and the animal kingdom, and during my time on this planet I have noticed that there are significantly more of these folk on the "left" than on the "right". You no doubt disagree and you're more than welcome to.

 Do you think although times have changed that the left was generally the choice of the working folks who generally because of life style could afford more things like empathy, sympathy and charity, than strictly money like the right supporting financially superior

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2 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 Do you think although times have changed that the left was generally the choice of the working folks who generally because of life style could afford more things like empathy, sympathy and charity, than strictly money like the right supporting financially 

 

Its a false dichotomy, Bob, there is no left and right. Power picks and chooses, and the media (be that the Bible, Wiener Zeitung, the BBC, or the facebook), tell the rest of us what to think. As long as the majority are at each others throats arguing about superficial stuff like left and right then all is good. And so it goes on.

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

Its a false dichotomy, Bob, there is no left and right. Power picks and chooses, and the media (be that the Bible, Wiener Zeitung, the BBC, or the facebook), tell the rest of us what to think. As long as the majority are at each others throats arguing about superficial stuff like left and right then all is good. And so it goes on.

 

Divide and conquer by splitting them into the left and right. Some movies and TV shows have played their part too.

 

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

This is my experience also, but both propositions can be equally true, red. There is no law of mutual exclusivity where morality is concerned.

 

Indeed (if I understand what you're saying correctly), gov.

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1 hour ago, Sharpie said:

 Do you think although times have changed that the left was generally the choice of the working folks who generally because of life style could afford more things like empathy, sympathy and charity, than strictly money like the right supporting financially superior

 

I'm sorry to say that I don't really know, Bob. If the right-wing political parties were only supported by the financially better-off then they would never win anything as there are far more people less well-off in your normal society. But they do win, and frequently. Brazil is a great example. More poverty than you can shake a stick at but Bolsonaro still gets in. So I think there are far more complex factors at play in choosing which party to vote for.

 

I've never been greatly interested in politics anyway. I just know how I personally would like the world to be, and I try to vote for the party or candidate which I fell has the best chance of bringing that into being.  In saying that, with first-past-the-post, I often end up having to vote tactically against the party least likely to have a similar worldview to my own, just because they are in a strong position.

 

Anyway, I am disappointed that Des immediately conflated my comment on left-leaning to Justin with "moral superiority". I never mentioned morality. I feel for example that we are not taking enough care of the environment. I don't consider those who think otherwise as "immoral" or "morally inferior", just as having opposing views to mine. Morality is a complete can of worms as a concept and it's one I would rather steer well clear of. :smile:

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Listening to Trump in his “speech”.

Is it just me that can see various points of comparison with the kind of stuff that Hitler mesmerised the people of Germany with.

Creating bogeymen to scare the public with. Bogeymen who will commit sex crimes and worse unless action is taken against them. Immigration out of control going to affect current Americans. He’s done things that nobody else in history has ever done.

Taking credit for a vaccine production for a disease that he said didn’t exist. Saying he saved many American  lives from Covid when 500,000 Americans have died because of his inaction and denial.

No mention that Iran still has a nuclear program. No mention that North Korea still has a rocket program. Still claiming he won the election.

Still repeating the same lines over and over again, like the adoring crowd didn’t hear him first time.

Still denying that the US is responsible for any climate change.

History repeating itself.

I hope to goodness the Democrats can produce someone to win their next election. 

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