Beast Boy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Mind that time folk were screaming for Jack Ross to get the Hearts gig? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Mind that time folk were screaming for Jack Ross to get the Hearts gig? ? Nobody should be judged on Sunderland. I'll say a lot about Derek McInnes but I give him due credit for giving them a big bodyswerve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Gorgieshed said: He must be having a nightmare if there are calls for Ozturk to replace him! Not his finest 90 mins that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: Half that thread is full of Mackems spouting shite about how bad Scottish football is if Dunne was rated up here. You’d imagine they’d think twice about spouting that nonsense given the result of the very first game in their doc(mock)umentary. 0-5 v Celtic, iirc. Sunderland are pish. Said last night that as much as I like McLaughlin, he fecked off for cash (no problems with that really) in the greed is good land so I wish him/them zero success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 **** Burnley and **** Sunderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: He always seems to be on the bench whilst John McGinn is bossing it and scoring goal of the century contenders in the league above. Yet JKB would have had you believe that McGeouch made McGinn look good. Another myth busted. McGeogh was Hibs best midfielder for quite a while despite mcginn having more quality. Maybe just hasn’t made the step up down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Corner Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It's a lot easier up here. Not a lot of big athletic players. People like him should stay here and develop. It's all about the money though, so.. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Top Corner said: It's a lot easier up here. Not a lot of big athletic players. People like him should stay here and develop. It's all about the money though, so.. It is what it is. Burnley pay him. Burnley choose where to place him. Once at a club with positive vibes only to rip him away and place him in football's very own purgatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Corner Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Burnley pay him. Burnley choose where to place him. Once at a club with positive vibes only to rip him away and place him in football's very own purgatory Fair enough, They want him tested and learning against better opposition obviously. Could make or break him. Thin line. Edited February 16, 2019 by Top Corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, McCrae said: I think this is good news for us. Just goes to show how well we help develop loan players.... gets called up when he plays for us..... performances go south when he leaves. This - although Dnglish folks will say it just goes to show how shite our league is. I’d disagree strongly with that. Dunne got called up to his national team playing for us. So did Souttar. So did Djoum. So did Naismith. So did Smith. So did Doyle. So did Godhino. As an aside, I found out something I thought was interesting about how the balance between the club and the influence of agent in loan deals recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Top Corner said: Fair enough, They want him tested and learning against better opposition obviously. Could make or break him. Thin line. Hardly think playing Accrington Stanley and AFC Wimbledon etc ... is testing himself against better opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternRossco Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Off topicish.... How in God's name did Ozturk end up there?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Sorry. So did McGlaughlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Hardly think playing Accrington Stanley and AFC Wimbledon etc ... is testing himself against better opposition Is he **** I still don’t understand why people would think League One is our standard let alone better. Most of the Championship is horseshit let alone League One. Edited February 16, 2019 by Jammy T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jammy T said: This - although Dnglish folks will say it just goes to show how shite our league is. I’d disagree strongly with that. Dunne got called up to his national team playing for us. So did Souttar. So did Djoum. So did Naismith. So did Smith. So did Doyle. So did Godhino. As an aside, I found out something I thought was interesting about how the balance between the club and the influence of agent in loan deals recently. So did McLaughlin who's with the aforementioned sunderland and hasn't had a peep at the national team since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Hardly think playing Accrington Stanley and AFC Wimbledon etc ... is testing himself against better opposition Theres no “think” about it. L1 is pretty pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Elwood P said: Haring and Naismith are our two most booked players. Perhaps it correlates to desire and effort on the part of the individual. They will be lucky to have the 20 bookings he had last season combined at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jammy T said: This - although Dnglish folks will say it just goes to show how shite our league is. I’d disagree strongly with that. Dunne got called up to his national team playing for us. So did Souttar. So did Djoum. So did Naismith. So did Smith. So did Doyle. So did Godhino. As an aside, I found out something I thought was interesting about how the balance between the club and the influence of agent in loan deals recently. I don’t think you can say it’s because our league is good though. Souttar was called up because he’s good and like many others playing in his country’s league. Naismith/Doyle/Smith/Hughes alongside guys like Rherras were recalled whilst playing here, along with Godhino our league is better than their own domestic version. I’ve seen a few quotes recently about Dunnes agent, did he engineer his move to Sunderland. You wouldn’t think they were part of the discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ferryjambo99 said: So did McLaughlin who's with the aforementioned sunderland and hasn't had a peep at the national team since He didn’t get much chance before to be honest, his £10-20k a week will see him ok though, he will get a chance when Macgregor/Gordon retire by 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, Top Corner said: Fair enough, They want him tested and learning against better opposition obviously. Could make or break him. Thin line. Different not better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It's interesting. There's English players like Joey Barton who flopped in Scotland and Scottish players who can't make it in England. I think it's horses for courses more than 1 league is shite. The Championship absolutely isn't shite though. Standard in that league is on the rise. The top 6 in our league are setting higher standards this season too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I hope he has a shit time and Burnley release him then he can come back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elshin Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I really liked dunne. Showed alot of potential and passion, seemed to get our club. I did feel though that he looked very uncomfortable with diagonal long balls over his head and got caught out a few times by this up here. He also took a few games to find his feet which is understandable. I think he will be a good defender in time but the pressure at Sunderland for such a young lad in a defence that looks shakey at best may not be great for his development. He really should of stayed with us next to berra and souttar, cant underestimate how good they 2 will be to any young centre defender playing first 50 competative games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glottis Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Being managed by a world class defender can often help defensive players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: McGeogh was Hibs best midfielder for quite a while despite mcginn having more quality. Maybe just hasn’t made the step up down there The fact is that McGeouch went to English League One for free and is struggling whereas McGinn went to the English Championship for millions and is excelling. All the evidence points to McGinn being the far better player both in Scotland and down in England. Edited February 16, 2019 by Mr Elwood P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Gio said: It's interesting. There's who flopped in Scotland and Scottish players who can't make it in England. I think it's horses for courses more than 1 league is shite. The Championship absolutely isn't shite though. Standard in that league is on the rise. The top 6 in our league are setting higher standards this season too Barton was 33 or 34 when he came up to Scotland, I don't think any modern English player in their prime would struggle up here. Defoe, Cole, Barton etc have all thought it was an easy buck and then been found out due to their age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Should have stayed here. Needs game time and confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: I don’t think you can say it’s because our league is good though. Souttar was called up because he’s good and like many others playing in his country’s league. Naismith/Doyle/Smith/Hughes alongside guys like Rherras were recalled whilst playing here, along with Godhino our league is better than their own domestic version. I’ve seen a few quotes recently about Dunnes agent, did he engineer his move to Sunderland. You wouldn’t think they were part of the discussions. I always assumed that the parent club chose what club it’s loan players go to - and maybe that is sometimes the case. But often, as long as the parent club thinks the league is appropriate, the player’s agent finds a loan club. Re your first point, my point was that most of those playeds have done well for their national teams whilst being with us so we can’t be that shite. Edited February 16, 2019 by Jammy T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: I don't think any modern English player in their prime would struggle up here. You don’t believe this, surely? It’s possible that I’m misunderstanding what you mean when you say “modern English player”, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: You don’t believe this, surely? It’s possible that I’m misunderstanding what you mean when you say “modern English player”, though. As in any household name from the English Premier League or some bigger names from the English Championship. Defoe or Barton at their peak would have been incredible in Scotland. As would your non English EPL stars such as Keane, Krancjar and Lungberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I think Souttar deserves some credit for Dunne, he played beside him and the two just clicked and were on the same wavelength. Then Dunne taking lead when Souttar was injured, ushering Dikamona. I think it is nothing to do with whatever quality some people think is in a pish English League 1, but it is down to management and who he is learning from. Hearts have the perfect balance in defence, Levein is a god to learn that from. I would ****ing love us to sign Dunne in the summer. I feel dirty saying it, but on his form in the first part of the season, he'd be ahead of Berra for me. We did go on that long unbeaten run with Dunne playing a key part after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: That's rich coming from a bunch of losers like them watching their pish struggling to get their usual draws against the mighty Blackpool and Accrington who are they Stanley. It's not called The Stadium of Shite for nothing Just remember they moved there from Joker Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: As in any household name from the English Premier League or some bigger names from the English Championship. Defoe or Barton at their peak would have been incredible in Scotland. As would your non English EPL stars such as Keane, Krancjar and Lungberg That is fair enough. Didn’t mean to appear catty or whatever. I misunderstood what you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Allen Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Dunne on here was similar to Demi in here last season. A few good games and everyone was falling over themselves to say we have a player on our hands here. Fact is Dunne would rightly be behind Berra and Souttar in the pecking order and both of these two are mid to lower English Championship standard players at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: That is fair enough. Didn’t mean to appear catty or whatever. I misunderstood what you meant. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Sunderland are the biggest basket case in football. Come home in the Summer please Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, Jammy T said: I always assumed that the parent club chose what club it’s loan players go to - and maybe that is sometimes the case. But often, as long as the parent club thinks the league is appropriate, the player’s agent finds a loan club. Re your first point, my point was that most of those playeds have done well for their national teams whilst being with us so we can’t be that shite. I hadn’t really thought of the agent being involved, just thought it would be us looking for a player and then contacting the club. Yeah you’re right about them doing well for their countries but they all play for some really crap teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, boag1874 said: Sunderland are the biggest basket case in football. Come home in the Summer please Jimmy Worse than Rangers, Hibs, Bolton etc etc ???♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Mind that time folk were screaming for Jack Ross to get the Hearts gig? ? If they win their game in hand they’re 3 points off second and he’s signed some good players, did well with St Midden too. It’s not an easy league to get out, as Robbie would testify to. Might well be back in the future, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Jean Louis Valois said: He seemed to love his time with us, poor decision from Burnley to send him to Sunderland. If they don’t get promoted this season it’s a disaster so the pressure from the fans will be horrific. On another note i see Ozturk doesn’t even get on the bench for them. He was loaned out to get game time. He wasnt going to see much action with us so they sent him somewhere else. Not exactly a poor decision if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Bauld said: With Levein, Hughes, Berra and even Souttar (experienced for his age) at the club it is no surprise that he did well with us. He had the right people around him all the time. This i think it's the same reason Souttar has developed so much in the last 18 months as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gilbert’s Fridge said: This i think it's the same reason Souttar has developed so much in the last 18 months as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Jammy T said: This - although Dnglish folks will say it just goes to show how shite our league is. I’d disagree strongly with that. Dunne got called up to his national team playing for us. So did Souttar. So did Djoum. So did Naismith. So did Smith. So did Doyle. So did Godhino. As an aside, I found out something I thought was interesting about how the balance between the club and the influence of agent in loan deals recently. This is a fantastic selling point for our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Would love Jimmy ?? back. Gave his all to us and came across as a really nice guy. Come home Jimmy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Would love Jimmy ?? back. Gave his all to us and came across as a really nice guy. Come home Jimmy! It hurts we never got to see a back 3 of Dunne Souttar and Berra. Would have been the Great Wall of Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 A lot of hate on here for Sunderland!! I don't support/follow them in any way shape or form but they do seem to promote a lot of seethe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Normthebarman said: Half that thread is full of Mackems spouting shite about how bad Scottish football is if Dunne was rated up here. To be fair they wouldn't know too much about us, if they hadn't signed half of Scotland I wouldn't know any of their players either. I'd be picking McGeoch in our midfield, but by the sounds of it Michael Smith would be their best centre half. The combination of Levein & Berra can induce almost super-human performances from young laddies. Brandon at LB last season for example. Dunne played well for us and I think he's good enough but if he'd be playing alongside Ozturk in a shaky defence I'm sure I'd have a different opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl1965 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Jimmy’s Dunne struggling says more about the quality of player he’s currently playing beside than it does about the standard of our league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Unless I've missed somet, why no ads on the shirts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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