frankblack Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 58 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: To be honest Frank that sort of rules them all out. Probably true, but being raised in a family that went through World War 2, it was drilled into me how much others sacrificed to allow us to have our vote, so I must always cast my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 10 hours ago, frankblack said: Yes, but I've already told you my reasons numerous times. For the hard of thinking, here goes again: - I did vote Yes, trusting the analysis of the White Paper that there was a detailed plan on a low-risk independence. - Weeks after the vote the Oil Price dropped and this White Paper document was proven to be a complete work of fiction. - Then the Brexit vote happened and the SNP refused to accept the democratic result and showed themselves to be hypocrites while demanding a new Independence referendum. So, to sum up, I could no longer vote for power-hungry two faced hypocrites. Look I’m just pulling your leg but nobody goes from Yes to as die hard No as you have I’m sorry. There is no feckin danger you voted yes, zero, nada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Look I’m just pulling your leg but nobody goes from Yes to as die hard No as you have I’m sorry. There is no feckin danger you voted yes, zero, nada. I did , so has my auld man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Some Hearts fans have very very some short memories. Bet you all liked him then eh? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hearts/i-need-to-do-all-i-can-for-hearts-alex-salmond-1-3377777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: I haven't commented on any given case. Just highlighting how sinister it is to point score over such things. 14 hours ago, Des Lynam said: You’re making no sense at all. 14 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: So if they want to be Scots they're fine, otherwise GTF? 13 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Only two? You mean there might be more? 13 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Laptop getting wiped as we speak. 12 hours ago, frankblack said: Yet you want to get independence and utterly destroy the Scottish economy? 12 hours ago, frankblack said: I'll certainly never vote for the SNP again, that's for sure. Some Hearts fans on here have some very, very short memories. I bet you all were wishing him the best back then eh? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hearts/i-need-to-do-all-i-can-for-hearts-alex-salmond-1-3377777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, JimKongUno said: I did , so has my auld man Really? How come then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Some Hearts fans on here have some very, very short memories. I bet you all were wishing him the best back then eh? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hearts/i-need-to-do-all-i-can-for-hearts-alex-salmond-1-3377777 That was then. This is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: That was then. This is now. Just think, if it wasn’t for Alex Salmond (and a few others granted) you would be spending Saturdays like the rest of us watching Super Scoreboard and checking your coupon at 5pm. Or watching Junior football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Really? How come then? Jack!, I was I staunch unionist, now I'm a 100% yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Alex, I hope you're innocent, but if you're guilty, you've let a hell of a lot of people down, and betrayed the trust of the accusers and your friends and family. And deserve you're baws to be kicked and whatever hardship that comes your way. If you're innocent, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Space Mackerel said: Who is defending who? I’m just saying he was instrumental in saving HMFC. You’ve obviously forgotten that fact so you’re never a Hearts fan. What has that got to do with his current predicament? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: What has that got to do with his current predicament? Nothing. Although the vitriol on this board maybe needs a wee check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Some Hearts fans on here have some very, very short memories. I bet you all were wishing him the best back then eh? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hearts/i-need-to-do-all-i-can-for-hearts-alex-salmond-1-3377777 Sadly there are some gullible people in Scotland who probably were duped by slippery Salmond. As a young man he was a mutton molester and most of us were aware of that. There were other rumours stretching back to the 80's but we can't go there...yet. Were you one of the gullible ones Spacey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Jack!, I was I staunch unionist, now I'm a 100% yes. A transformation pal eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: A transformation pal eh... I don't believe any of these yes turned no voters. They're full of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Who is defending who? I’m just saying he was instrumental in saving HMFC. You’ve obviously forgotten that fact so you’re never a Hearts fan. You've said some funny things Kevin, but that is up there with the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I don't believe any of these yes turned no voters. They're full of shite. I have my doubts too. It’s not even that they’re turned they’re now absolute die hard No churning out all the No rhetoric from the last campaign. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I don't believe any of these yes turned no voters. They're full of shite. To be fair polling shows that quite a few yes voters have moved from no to yes and a few no voters have moved from Yes - No because of Brexit. If we can move the yes - no back to yes then we will win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, flecktimus said: To be fair polling shows that quite a few yes voters have moved from no to yes and a few no voters have moved from Yes - No because of Brexit. If we can move the yes - no back to yes then we will win If it's and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: Sadly there are some gullible people in Scotland who probably were duped by slippery Salmond. As a young man he was a mutton molester and most of us were aware of that. There were other rumours stretching back to the 80's but we can't go there...yet. Were you one of the gullible ones Spacey? Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal, its fingers in the ears time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: Sadly there are some gullible people in Scotland who probably were duped by slippery Salmond. As a young man he was a mutton molester and most of us were aware of that. There were other rumours stretching back to the 80's but we can't go there...yet. Were you one of the gullible ones Spacey? Its not sitting well with the gullibles. Edited January 25, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: I don't believe any of these yes turned no voters. They're full of shite. I think the guy that's building those ferries might have had a change of heart, following his recent dealings with the Scottish Gov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Just think, if it wasn’t for Alex Salmond (and a few others granted) you would be spending Saturdays like the rest of us watching Super Scoreboard and checking your coupon at 5pm. Or watching Junior football. Or watching "The Heart of Midlothian" , Sevco have shown the way......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, flecktimus said: To be fair polling shows that quite a few yes voters have moved from no to yes and a few no voters have moved from Yes - No because of Brexit. If we can move the yes - no back to yes then we will win I think when it comes to the vote they will. They might be anti EU and that's fine, but they'll vote yes because that's in their hearts. Brexit is political, Independence is much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: You've said some funny things Kevin, but that is up there with the best. You're a bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, Yoda said: I think the guy that's building those ferries might have had a change of heart, following his recent dealings with the Scottish Gov. You're right and wrong. He said the decision was made. He also said that more devolution was needed too. But if there's another vote he'd back yes again. Imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: You're right and wrong. He said the decision was made. He also said that more devolution was needed too. But if there's another vote he'd back yes again. Imo. He wouldn’t but, in any case, he would have to be back in a physical sense as he is now a resident of Monaco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Still going to be doing his Ruskie TV show. Brass neck or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Still going to be doing his Ruskie TV show. Brass neck or what. Saville was still doing BBC when the establishment knew. There's always whataboutery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Saville was still doing BBC when the establishment knew. There's always whataboutery. Subtle difference here is you are claiming the establishment knew (and who knew Johnny Rotten was "the establishment") and some might have suspected but everyone one in the country knows fatboy is now accused of these crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Subtle difference here is you are claiming the establishment knew (and who knew Johnny Rotten was "the establishment") and some might have suspected but everyone one in the country knows fatboy is now accused of these crimes. The British establishment knew! There's some pathetic head burying going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Subtle difference here is you are claiming the establishment knew (and who knew Johnny Rotten was "the establishment") and some might have suspected but everyone one in the country knows fatboy is now accused of these crimes. The Government, The Tories, The Royals, The Police, Special Branch, GCHQ. They all knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: Jocko? They literally hate Scotland Bizarro indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 9 hours ago, jack D and coke said: They literally hate Scotland Bizarro indeed. Indeedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: You do realise I'm a born and bred Scotsman but just not a nationalist oik like him. Roxy is most definitely not a nationalist oik. He’s one of the more moderate, sensible posters on the subject. I voted Yes and more than likely would again. I’m not a nationalist oik either. Just because I see people jumping about waving UJ’s and singing GSTQ and FTP I’m not lumping you in with that lot. Theres plenty good and bad on both sides but according to unionists it’s only tubes in the yes side. It’s bolloks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jack D and coke said: Roxy is most definitely not a nationalist oik. He’s one of the more moderate, sensible posters on the subject. I voted Yes and more than likely would again. I’m not a nationalist oik either. Just because I see people jumping about waving UJ’s and singing GSTQ and FTP I’m not lumping you in with that lot. Theres plenty good and bad on both sides but according to unionists it’s only tubes in the yes side. It’s bolloks. Cheers JDC. Support Scotland we are Nationalists not that I mind the tag but support UK you're a shining light of honesty and decency like say Ibrox, Robinson, Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Saville, Cyril Smith and all the other skeletons in the WM cupboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Cheers JDC. Support Scotland we are Nationalists not that I mind the tag but support UK you're a shining light of honesty and decency like say Ibrox, Robinson, Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Saville, Cyril Smith and all the other skeletons in the WM cupboards. You throwing those names around as evidence of some anti-Scottish plot is clutching straws at best. Lets be honest here, the Salmond court case and the investigation against Sturgeon in the botched Scottish Government case will see enough dirt against the SNP's name for the forseeable future to prevent any chance of them calling for Indy Ref 2... and by that time it could be the Holyrood elections where they could lose their majority and mandate for holding such a referendum. Edited January 27, 2019 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, frankblack said: You throwing those names around as evidence of some anti-Scottish plot is clutching straws at best. Lets be honest here, the Salmond court case and the investigation against Sturgeon in the botched Scottish Government case will see enough dirt against the SNP's name for the forseeable future to prevent any chance of them calling for Indy Ref 2... and by that time it could be the Holyrood elections where they could lose their majority and mandate for holding such a referendum. They are not pro Scottish are they and nothing to do with a plot. It's the hypocrisy and the nonsense that independence is seen through the prism of the SNP. There are Labour, Tories and Lib Dems who support Indy too. I'm happy with the Scottish Government and whatever happens won't change my POV or vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, frankblack said: You throwing those names around as evidence of some anti-Scottish plot is clutching straws at best. Lets be honest here, the Salmond court case and the investigation against Sturgeon in the botched Scottish Government case will see enough dirt against the SNP's name for the forseeable future to prevent any chance of them calling for Indy Ref 2... and by that time it could be the Holyrood elections where they could lose their majority and mandate for holding such a referendum. When all’s said and done, I think this is probably true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: When all’s said and done, I think this is probably true. Politics like football can be fickle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, frankblack said: You throwing those names around as evidence of some anti-Scottish plot is clutching straws at best. Lets be honest here, the Salmond court case and the investigation against Sturgeon in the botched Scottish Government case will see enough dirt against the SNP's name for the forseeable future to prevent any chance of them calling for Indy Ref 2... and by that time it could be the Holyrood elections where they could lose their majority and mandate for holding such a referendum. It hasn't stopped the Tories or the UK . But as usual the SNP and Scotland are held to a different level. You better buy some knee pads, (More praying) because the SNP are going nowhere until independence and that will be straight after a no deal brexit. There'll be no more Scottish elections inside the Union. So you better get used to that fact and prepare yourself for heartbreak. Yes voter my arse! Edited January 27, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: It hasn't stopped the Tories or the UK . But as usual the SNP and Scotland are held to a different level. The Tories will be held to account at the ballot box. Any half competent opposition should beat them in this state but that probably excludes Labour with comrade Corbyn. 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: You better buy some knee pads, (More praying) because the SNP are going nowhere until independence and that will be straight after a no deal brexit. There'll be no more Scottish elections inside the Union. So you better get used to that fact and prepare yourself for heartbreak. Yes voter my arse! Wishful thinking on your part. The Scottish electorate will vote tactically again like the last GE to damage the SNP at the Holyrood elections. The Greens won't save you this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: It hasn't stopped the Tories or the UK . But as usual the SNP and Scotland are held to a different level. You better buy some knee pads, (More praying) because the SNP are going nowhere until independence and that will be straight after a no deal brexit. There'll be no more Scottish elections inside the Union. So you better get used to that fact and prepare yourself for heartbreak. Yes voter my arse! They may be by certain streams of the media, but to my mind neither government is performing. In particular the SNP's dictatorial centralisation doesn't sit well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jlv2004 said: They may be by certain streams of the media, but to my mind neither government is performing. In particular the SNP's dictatorial centralisation doesn't sit well. The problem for the SNP is the unionist parties councils will do anything to undermine them. Wouldn't trust unions either like the EIS. The SNP has really brought out the hypocrisy and sheer nastiness of the status quo establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: The problem for the SNP is the unionist parties councils will do anything to undermine them. Wouldn't trust unions either like the EIS. The SNP has really brought out the hypocrisy and sheer nastiness of the status quo establishment. Don't get me started on the EIS, but otherwise no. Funding from Westminster to the Scottish government has decreased by about 3% over the last few years. Funding from the Scottish government to local authorities is down about 10%. Edited January 27, 2019 by Jlv2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 7 hours ago, frankblack said: You throwing those names around as evidence of some anti-Scottish plot is clutching straws at best. Lets be honest here, the Salmond court case and the investigation against Sturgeon in the botched Scottish Government case will see enough dirt against the SNP's name for the forseeable future to prevent any chance of them calling for Indy Ref 2... and by that time it could be the Holyrood elections where they could lose their majority and mandate for holding such a referendum. Imagine that eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Imagine that eh? Not going to look right clever that tweet if Salmond is convicted of the charges he’s facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Not going to look right clever that tweet if Salmond is convicted of the charges he’s facing. No it isn't, but it also would suggest those out to get him have been staggeringly incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 50 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Not going to look right clever that tweet if Salmond is convicted of the charges he’s facing. Who said he was innocent? Thought people were till proven in a court of law. Funny timing though, just as the SNP gear up for Indy 2. I’m away to put my tin foil hat on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Who said he was innocent? Thought people were till proven in a court of law. Funny timing though, just as the SNP gear up for Indy 2. I’m away to put my tin foil hat on. What i’m saying is that the fella is suggesting that Salmond is being stitched up. A hollow argument if Salmond gets convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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